Should we still carry the green card domestically

AmericanWannabe said:
That story that alledgedly happened in the CIS bulding
seems like everything had progressed verbally - THE
CIS officer just told the woman verbally to pay the
fine or face arrest and the woman paid the fine (what
if she had not have teh money with her? No law
says alien must also carry at least $ 100 to cover
INA264 violation). It does not sound like a "due process"
to me.
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Not sure about it. If everything going on verbally does not mean she did not get "due process". I would not rely too much some word that is "overheard". We don't know whether she got paperworks for fine or not. Probably she did. By law, the officer could call security and arrest her anyway - without even asking for $100 fine. Now, the officer did not want to do that and gave her a chance. At the same time officer probably wanted to "teach her a lesson".
 
AmericanWannabe said:
Still too bad I heard that for immigration purpose, conviction is defined
as conviction, plea guilty or plea no contest without actual conviction.
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Is there a source for this?
The weird thing is about plea no contest. It is just like plea guilty
but it can not be used for other purpose but immigration
is for other purpose.
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R U saying that it is contradicting itself?
 
alren said:
Is there a source for this?

R U saying that it is contradicting itself?
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For question 1: JoeF once posted some law or federal regulation,
saying for immigration puirpose, the defnition of conviction
includes conventional conviction or no voncition but
a guilty plea or no contest.

A no conviditon but a guilty plea means you actually do it and that
is what matters for immigration offcicals and that is why
they define conviciton that way.

So if you have a crimnial case, you have to take immigration itnoi acoount
whendoing a plea bargain. Usually, a plea guilty with promise of dismiisdsal
is a good deal. But it is not good enough factoring
immmigration concerns


For question 2: Yes. the advantage of no contest plea
is that it can not be used later in civil courts. But
immigration are using it.
 
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Are there any instances of citizenship been denied or green card having issues because of guilty or no contest pleas in minor traffice violations like speeding or not carrying the license .. ?
 
alren said:
what's the limit which ends up being a CIMT?
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It depends on definitions of each state.

But I think for immigration purpose, they exclude
traffic violations from criminal background check.

They used to exclude it from citizenship eligibility too
but now they include it now.
 
AmericanWannabe said:
It depends on definitions of each state.

But I think for immigration purpose, they exclude
traffic violations from criminal background check.

They used to exclude it from citizenship eligibility too
but now they include it now.
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I think in one state drink driving (above a certain blood alcohol level) is also included as a "removable" offense or moral turpitude and disqualification for citizenship. I remember reading an article about a person (in NY times?) who had lived for a long time but was removed for this conviction.
 
as joef explained in a previous post and I looked this up to verify

all aliens 18 and over must carry with them proof of alien registration at all times.

the penalty is a $100 fine or jail.

I learned this out the hard way while getting fingerprinted my wife overheard someone forgot her gc was coming there to get fingerprinted for citizenship. They yelled at her that she must pay the fine or go to jail. They even pulled out a thick book and showed her where it is written. They wouldn't even let her leave to go home and get it.
 
bb_5555,

It's not so much of the hard way for you. The other lady learned it the hard way. ;)
 
details

According to the details from http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm,
It appears that we only need to know where it is ( basically do not give it to anyone)...

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Permanent Resident Card
The Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551, is issued to all Permanent Residents as evidence of alien registration and their permanent status in the US. The card must be in your possession at all times. While that does not require that you have on your person at all times, it does require that you have a currently valid card and that you know where it is and can show it to an immigration officer, if requested. The Permanent Resident Card currently is issued with a 10-year validity. You status as a Permanent Resident does not expire with the 10-year validity. Only the card expires. The card is only valid up to the expiration date and must be renewed before it expires.
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bkhote said:
According to the details from http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm,
It appears that we only need to know where it is ( basically do not give it to anyone)...

*****
Permanent Resident Card
The Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551, is issued to all Permanent Residents as evidence of alien registration and their permanent status in the US. The card must be in your possession at all times. While that does not require that you have on your person at all times, it does require that you have a currently valid card and that you know where it is and can show it to an immigration officer, if requested. The Permanent Resident Card currently is issued with a 10-year validity. You status as a Permanent Resident does not expire with the 10-year validity. Only the card expires. The card is only valid up to the expiration date and must be renewed before it expires.
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Agreed, CIS website clearly mentions "While that does not require that you have on your person at all times, it does require that you have a currently valid card and that you know where it is and can show it to an immigration officer, if requested".

I beleive CIS website information any day than any propoganda specialist

Whats going on this forum, so much misleadings... I can't beleive it.

Members, read CIS website quotes above also if any doubt contact lawyer for further clarification. But don't beleive JoeF aka idiot. :D :D
 
Unbeleivable, JoeF has posted some information which is TRUE. I can't beleive my eyes for few moments but its fact . USCIS website INA 264(e) mentions that "card should be with person all time".

So does CIS website takes precedance over USCIS rules?? or vice versa??Has somebody checked with lawyer that, which website has more reliable information ??CIS website or USCIS website??? Please share
 
I would keep a photo copy of GC with me such as in car or wallet and should know where the original GC is if asked. I wouldn't worry too much about carrying the original GC. My take is - as long as you are a legal alien, have a copy of GC and should be able to produce the original GC when asked, you should be OK. Experts ?

(JoeF - please don't reply).
 
bkhote said:
According to the details from http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm,
It appears that we only need to know where it is ( basically do not give it to anyone)...

*****
Permanent Resident Card
The Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551, is issued to all Permanent Residents as evidence of alien registration and their permanent status in the US. The card must be in your possession at all times. While that does not require that you have on your person at all times, it does require that you have a currently valid card and that you know where it is and can show it to an immigration officer, if requested. The Permanent Resident Card currently is issued with a 10-year validity. You status as a Permanent Resident does not expire with the 10-year validity. Only the card expires. The card is only valid up to the expiration date and must be renewed before it expires.
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That's some good info. Did they recenty change it?
 
JoeF said:
But again, this topic has been beaten to death in previous threads, and it is no surprise that our wanna-be bullies FunnyWait and qwerty-whatever-his-handle-is-today would jump on yet another highly emotional topic to hijack.
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Look at the thread history, I did not start it......

You seem to be obsessed with me and few others. Get a life man. You don't have to write about me in every post.
Also a friendly advice - in case you are getting paid by your employer/customer, make sure you work in stead of posting here. A couple of posts in a day is OK but you reply to every post, man. Aren't you ashamed of yourself ? You take money but don't work !! Real classy...
 
JoeF said:
And it had been mentioned in this thread before...
The law is what counts.
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bkhote has pointed out USCIS website http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm, contradicts above staement. So stop whining about it, OK. USCIS people are definately better informed than wacho like you. :D :D So JoeF,shut up and let members discuss about their opinions.

members,
Has somebody checked with lawyer that, which website has more reliable information ??CIS website or USCIS website??? Please share
 
JoeF said:
Ssame idiotic rumbling.End of story.
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bkhote has pointed out USCIS website http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm, contradicts above staement. So stop whining about it, OK. USCIS people are definately better informed than wacho like you. :D :D So JoeF,shut up and let members discuss about their opinions.

members,
Has somebody checked with lawyer that, which website has more reliable information ??CIS website or USCIS website??? Please share
 
Please read JowF's real agenda

JoeF said:
When you get arrested, let me know
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Ok, thats what your agenda on this forum, as if we don't yet, but all members know it in your words. Your agenda is "SCREW up members, let them get arrested and then get JoeF's help" :D :D


Memebrs, now all you know TRUTH in clear daylight by JoeF's own words. Ignore him

bkhote has pointed out USCIS website http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm, contradicts above staement. So stop whining about it, OK. USCIS people are definately better informed than wacho like you. So JoeF,shut up and let members discuss about their opinions.

members,
Has somebody checked with lawyer that, which website has more reliable information ??CIS website or USCIS website??? Please share
 
JoeF aka idot just don't give up to SCREW UP others..

Please read JoeF's real agenda

JoeF said:
When you get arrested, let me know
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Ok, thats what your agenda on this forum, as if we don't yet, but all members know it in your words. Your agenda is "SCREW up members, let them get arrested and then get JoeF's help" :D :D


Memebrs, now all you know TRUTH in clear daylight by JoeF's own words. Ignore him

bkhote has pointed out USCIS website http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm, contradicts above staement. So stop whining about it, OK. USCIS people are definately better informed than wacho like you. So JoeF,shut up and let members discuss about their opinions.

members,
Has somebody checked with lawyer that, which website has more reliable information ??CIS website or USCIS website??? Please share
 
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