Senate Strikes Deal on Immigration Issues

henri97

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First of all, it is not a final deal yet -I don't want people here to think that any law has passed already. Read on to understand.

4-15-05 - link from CNN:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/story.j...ff/story/0001/20050415/1913784768.htm&sc=1153
[copying and pasting it here any way]

Senate Strikes Deal on Immigration Issues

By SUZANNE GAMBOA

WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Republicans and Democrats worked out a deal Friday on how to handle immigration issues attached to a measure paying for U.S. operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The immigration measures spilled into the Senate's debate over an $80.6 billion military spending bill after the House included measures in its version to deny driver's licenses to illegal immigrants and make it harder for foreigners to stay in the United States on claims of asylum.

Under the deal, the Senate will vote Tuesday on three immigration measures. Each would require 60 votes to survive, including one sponsored by Democrat Sen. Barbara Mikulski that would give temporary visas to migrant crab pickers and oyster shuckers in time for Maryland's seafood season.

Another by Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, would provide workers for the agricultural industry. It has support from growers and farm worker advocates, but it faces opposition for providing legal status to some workers.


Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., said he opposes using the military spending bill to address immigration, but he is proposing an alternative to Craig's measure. Co-sponsored by Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz, it doesn't include the legal residency provision.


``While reforms are needed to provide a legal way to meet our agricultural labor needs, we must also remove incentives for illegal immigration and put stricter provisions in place for seasonal workers coming across our borders,'' Chambliss said.


Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., the White House and other Republicans had pleaded with senators to keep immigration off the spending bill and address them later in comprehensive immigration legislation.


Democrats refused, saying it was because Frist wouldn't commit to opposing the immigration provisions in the House version when negotiators try to blend the two.


``The only reason we have these Democrat and Republican amendments dealing with immigration is because it was placed in the bill by the Republicans,'' said Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada. He said the immigration bills being offered are a ``tiny speck'' of the immigration problems the country faces.


Mikulski defended her measure to provide Maryland seafood processors and other businesses with more seasonal workers hired through the H2B visa program, saying ``the cat was already out of the bag on immigration.'' Businesses are limited to 66,000 H2B workers a year, and that ceiling was reached Jan. 3.


``Republican leadership has been stalling on this bill by not allowing votes on amendments like mine. I have brought people to the table to vote on this because Maryland's small businesses need help now,'' Mikulski said.


The House's Iraq spending bill includes the immigration measures its Judiciary Committee chairman, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., wanted in the intelligence reorganization bill President Bush signed in December. He withdrew the provisions back then after House and Senate leaders promised he could attach them to the first major legislation likely to make it to Bush's desk.


They are almost universally opposed by Senate Democrats but also by state motor vehicle commissioners, some GOP senators and religious groups who say people fleeing persecution would be harmed.


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ianyu said:
what about asylum cap removal?
It was a baitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt for advancing a fascist agenda. The republicans would have never done something humanitarian. They allowed migrant workers in the other 2 bills because of economic needs. forget about asylees who will torment for years to go.
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cnn article somewhat incomplete (?)

From I understand - even if it is not written in the article above - the Real ID bill (with caps removal) should be part of the deal the senate accepted to conduct the voting of this big appropriation bill - which is due to be voted next week (maybe Tuesday). The senate has been going back and forth about keeping (or not) 2 bills together (H.R.1268/appropriations-budget bill +, H.R.418/Real ID bill with caps removal). I think they (the senate) are really now trying to keep the bills together, so they stroke a deal that even more ammendments could be proposed and added if passed.

Is that right, anyone? What a friking mess. :rolleyes:
thanks in advance for replies.
 
Well this was gonna happen....Everyone knew it. I think lot of us waisted lots of faxes because we thought cap would be removed.

We shall see what happens Tuesday.
 
U coming to my words when I said that don't believe in this cap removal promises. I hopw hey will (still hope) but my intuition tells me it's not gonna happen. very sad, but from another end we will get our green cards later or sooner anyway.
 
Quoted from latest version of emergence spending bill, it is obviously that our hope is death. So sad...

Struck out->] (f) Removal of Caps- Section 209 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1159) is amended-- [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (1) in subsection (a)(1)-- [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (A) by striking `Service' and inserting `Department of Homeland Security'; and [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (B) by striking `Attorney General' each place such term appears and inserting `Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General'; [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (2) in subsection (b)-- [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (A) by striking `Not more' and all that follows through `asylum who--' and inserting `The Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General, in the Secretary's or the Attorney General's discretion and under such regulations as the Secretary or the Attorney General may prescribe, may adjust to the status of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence the status of any alien granted asylum who--'; and [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (B) in the matter following paragraph (5), by striking `Attorney General' and inserting `Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General'; and [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (3) in subsection (c), by striking `Attorney General' and inserting `Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General'. [<-Struck out]
 
wantmygcnow said:
Well this was gonna happen....Everyone knew it. I think lot of us waisted lots of faxes because we thought cap would be removed.

We shall see what happens Tuesday.


We have been fantacizing enough about the removal of the cap. I don't believe it would happen though. I think they may have the impression that the cap itself is a means to frustrate asylum seeks, and removing the cap is an incentive for asylum seekers.

This is the way I look at.
 
People, life is not that bad. We still legal and will get our plastics sooner or later. Just enjoy your life, get education, good jobs. GC wil not give u any more benefits.
 
I think once u have a GC In ur hand u can sleep better at nights..knowing th at u will be a citizen sooner than later. Until you have the GC you feel weird about your status..scared to even tragvel sometimes..
 
wantmygcnow said:
I think once u have a GC In ur hand u can sleep better at nights..knowing th at u will be a citizen sooner than later. Until you have the GC you feel weird about your status..scared to even tragvel sometimes..

yeah that is true. Unfortunatly...
 
Its all psychological. Trust me. Everything is same and would remain the same after getting GC. You will only notice a little difference if you travel outside the US. And how many times a year you do that?
 
Once a year. I think the problem is that many people here are afraid of being rejected or deported for no reason. I personally don't. I think that if asylee didn't brake the law and complies with INS and other Government agencies rules (RTD's, paying taxes...) then he or she should have no fear. And it's a really rear case when conditions in home country changes to a positive side (I don't know any facts). They want us here, because we are hard working people. I personally paid 12000$ in taxes last year.
 
Well Plus I think that asylees pay taxes etc but are treated like dirt. Plus having citizenship gives you the right to vote..which is a privilege..also being treated as royality by the U.S Government in case of a problem overseas and you are a U.S Citizen..If you are an asylee..or PR..its like well Best of luck!

Actually there was a movie few years back..Bruce Wilis in it where he has to go to Africa to resuce some U.S Citizens and he leaves some PR's behind to die..it was freaking hilarious..
 
amtbooks said:
Quoted from latest version of emergence spending bill, it is obviously that our hope is death. So sad...

Struck out->] (f) Removal of Caps- Section 209 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1159) is amended-- [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (1) in subsection (a)(1)-- [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (A) by striking `Service' and inserting `Department of Homeland Security'; and [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (B) by striking `Attorney General' each place such term appears and inserting `Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General'; [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (2) in subsection (b)-- [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (A) by striking `Not more' and all that follows through `asylum who--' and inserting `The Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General, in the Secretary's or the Attorney General's discretion and under such regulations as the Secretary or the Attorney General may prescribe, may adjust to the status of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence the status of any alien granted asylum who--'; and [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (B) in the matter following paragraph (5), by striking `Attorney General' and inserting `Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General'; and [<-Struck out]
[Struck out->] (3) in subsection (c), by striking `Attorney General' and inserting `Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General'. [<-Struck out]

Can u give the link? what does that mean?
 
ayyubov said:
People, life is not that bad. We still legal and will get our plastics sooner or later. Just enjoy your life, get education, good jobs. GC wil not give u any more benefits.

I'll win it playing DV lottery some time. :rolleyes: It would be easier since I am planning to get my GC through asylum in about 15-20 years! I can't believed they killed our hope again! :mad:
 
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Minsk said:
I'll win it playing DV lottery some time. :rolleyes: It would be easier since I am planning to get my GC through asylum in about 15-20 years! I can't believed they killed our hope again! :mad:

U can't win it if u r an asylee. Unfortunatly u can't.
 
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