Retrogression analysis by Shusterman

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Check below the analysis of shusterman about retrogression :



1. November Visa Bulletin - Singing the Retrogression Blues
Looking at the November 2006 Visa Bulletin, it's hard to know whether to be hopeful or pessimistic.
For the "glass half-full" crowd, there is a lot to be happy about. For Indians in the EB-2 category, the numbers advanced a full six months. In the Worldwide EB-3 category, the advance was two months. Even the EB-2 unskilled preference category moved forward four months. The only significant retrogression in the employment-based preferences occurred in the Schedule A category (primarily registered nurses and physical therapists) which retrogressed over one year.

However, looking at the Visa Bulletin on a month-by-month basis can be deceiving. It is like predicting the weather by examining it on a day-to-day basis. Because it stops raining after a storm does notindicate that the skies will continue to stay clear as we move into the winter.

The wise observer will look at the Visa Bulletin over a longer time frame. For example, compare the November 2006 Visa Bulletin with that of November 2005.

In November 2005, the worldwide EB-3 category was backlogged until March 2001, a little over 4 ½ years. In November 2006, the current priority date for worldwide EB-3 is July 1, 2002, or 4 years and 4 months. At first glance, this seems to be grounds for optimism since the waiting times are decreasing slightly.

However, this does not tell the whole story. Some of this decrease was due to a law enacted in May 2005 which "recaptured" 50,000 visa numbers for Schedule A occupations (Registered nurses, physical therapists, persons of exceptional ability and their spouses and children). However, these 50,000 visas will be completely expended during a few weeks. Schedule A professionals will once again be competing with other persons in the EB-3 category for immigrant visas. This will, no doubt, cause the EB-3 category to retrogress.

Even more troublesome are the 300,000+ labor certifications pending at the backlog elimination centers which are due to be acted upon by the Department of Labor (DOL) within the next 12 months. Labor certifications are only required for certain EB-2 and EB-3 workers. And the 300,000 backlogged applications only apply to the workers themselves. Many of these workers have spouses and children who are eligible to immigrate with them. Even if "only" 200,000 of these labor certifications are approved, the number of additional applicants, counting spouses and children, for green cards under the employment-based categories could exceed 300,000 during the coming year. And there are only 140,000 EB visas available annually.

Therefore, if you already have an EB-3 priority date, keep in mind that when DOL clears out its backlog of labor certifications, you may find that many thousands of persons with earlier priority dates than you will be cutting in line ahead of you.

30 years of practicing immigration law tells me that the EB-3 worldwide quota, absent Congressional action, may increase from a little over 4 years to over 6 years sometime before the end of 2007.

The SKIL (Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership) bill which is pending in both the Senate and House of Representatives would help to remedy this situation by (1) increasing the EB quotas; (2) by exempting some occupations from the numerical limitations; and (3) by ceasing to count spouses and children against the 140,000 annual EB cap. (There is precedent for this: Spouses and children are not counted against the H-1B cap.)
 
I cannot take it anymore. That's all I can say. If my GC doesn't get approved this coming November I will look for another opportunity and trigger AC21. Screw them all.
EB3 World, PD=April 2002.

kamrans said:
Check below the analysis of shusterman about retrogression :



1. November Visa Bulletin - Singing the Retrogression Blues
Looking at the November 2006 Visa Bulletin, it's hard to know whether to be hopeful or pessimistic.
For the "glass half-full" crowd, there is a lot to be happy about. For Indians in the EB-2 category, the numbers advanced a full six months. In the Worldwide EB-3 category, the advance was two months. Even the EB-2 unskilled preference category moved forward four months. The only significant retrogression in the employment-based preferences occurred in the Schedule A category (primarily registered nurses and physical therapists) which retrogressed over one year.

However, looking at the Visa Bulletin on a month-by-month basis can be deceiving. It is like predicting the weather by examining it on a day-to-day basis. Because it stops raining after a storm does notindicate that the skies will continue to stay clear as we move into the winter.

The wise observer will look at the Visa Bulletin over a longer time frame. For example, compare the November 2006 Visa Bulletin with that of November 2005.

In November 2005, the worldwide EB-3 category was backlogged until March 2001, a little over 4 ½ years. In November 2006, the current priority date for worldwide EB-3 is July 1, 2002, or 4 years and 4 months. At first glance, this seems to be grounds for optimism since the waiting times are decreasing slightly.

However, this does not tell the whole story. Some of this decrease was due to a law enacted in May 2005 which "recaptured" 50,000 visa numbers for Schedule A occupations (Registered nurses, physical therapists, persons of exceptional ability and their spouses and children). However, these 50,000 visas will be completely expended during a few weeks. Schedule A professionals will once again be competing with other persons in the EB-3 category for immigrant visas. This will, no doubt, cause the EB-3 category to retrogress.

Even more troublesome are the 300,000+ labor certifications pending at the backlog elimination centers which are due to be acted upon by the Department of Labor (DOL) within the next 12 months. Labor certifications are only required for certain EB-2 and EB-3 workers. And the 300,000 backlogged applications only apply to the workers themselves. Many of these workers have spouses and children who are eligible to immigrate with them. Even if "only" 200,000 of these labor certifications are approved, the number of additional applicants, counting spouses and children, for green cards under the employment-based categories could exceed 300,000 during the coming year. And there are only 140,000 EB visas available annually.

Therefore, if you already have an EB-3 priority date, keep in mind that when DOL clears out its backlog of labor certifications, you may find that many thousands of persons with earlier priority dates than you will be cutting in line ahead of you.

30 years of practicing immigration law tells me that the EB-3 worldwide quota, absent Congressional action, may increase from a little over 4 years to over 6 years sometime before the end of 2007.

The SKIL (Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership) bill which is pending in both the Senate and House of Representatives would help to remedy this situation by (1) increasing the EB quotas; (2) by exempting some occupations from the numerical limitations; and (3) by ceasing to count spouses and children against the 140,000 annual EB cap. (There is precedent for this: Spouses and children are not counted against the H-1B cap.)
 
Most of us already figured the retrogression is going to get worse... what with Sched A and the DoL backlogs not factored into current PDs in the bulletins.

Nice timing with the post, Happy Halloween everyone.

Screw AC21, my own 485 isn't even officially in the system.... best position to be in.
 
Saw Iv ?

I agree this seems the perfect post for Halloween. News like this could be the theme for the next SAW movie.

Enough is enough. My career has been damaged big time by this insane process. If this sadic visa bulletin retrogresses I will trigger AC21 as well at lightning speed. If for whatever AC21 doesn't work out for whatever reason and if I have to go back to where I came from, so be it.
 
marlon2006 said:
I agree this seems the perfect post for Halloween. News like this could be the theme for the next SAW movie.

Enough is enough. My career has been damaged big time by this insane process. If this sadic visa bulletin retrogresses I will trigger AC21 as well at lightning speed. If for whatever AC21 doesn't work out for whatever reason and if I have to go back to where I came from, so be it.
i am a very pessimistic person.....but i can see good signs for your case.....

1. i have observing TSC activities very closely since last 30 days, looks like they are working on old cases with a fast pace...... www.immigrationwatch.com ...today's approval.....(i am not sure though that this website is completely reliable)

2. your background check has been completed.....so its a matter of few more months.....
 
I have two comments on the Shusterman article:

1. Schedule A is not subject to labor certification. Their PD's are based on the date of I-140's being filed. I doubt that there are a significant number of 4 year old schedule A I-140's still outstanding. Therefore, I don't believe that the end of Schedule A will cause retrogression while PD's are in the 2002-2004 range.

2. DOL has already said they have 'only' around 180K cases left, and that there is an approximate approval rate of 50%. That would imply that approximately half of the backlog is already in the USCIS pipeline or will be entering it shortly and there will only be potentially another 100K cases.

To summarize: Are things bad? Yes. Are they as bad as this article says? My opinion is no.
 
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well, for EB3 row the article claims that the retrogression is going to increase from 4 years to 6 years.
If one is willing to wait 4 years, they might as well wait for 6 years.

blondhenge said:
The one thing I don't understand is that DOL has already said they have 'only' around 180K cases left, and that there is an approximate approval rate of 50%. That would imply that approximately half of the backlog is already in the USCIS pipeline or will be entering it shortly and there will only be potentially another 100K cases.

Are things bad? Yes. Are they as bad as this article says? My opinion is no.
 
tusharvk said:
well, for EB3 row the article claims that the retrogression is going to increase from 4 years to 6 years.
If one is willing to wait 4 years, they might as well wait for 6 years.

My point is that some of the #'s in Shusterman's article do not make sense. Whether the wait is 4 years or 6 or 10 or whatever is not my point.
 
techy2468 said:
i am a very pessimistic person.....but i can see good signs for your case.....

1. i have observing TSC activities very closely since last 30 days, looks like they are working on old cases with a fast pace...... www.immigrationwatch.com ...today's approval.....(i am not sure though that this website is completely reliable)

2. your background check has been completed.....so its a matter of few more months.....

techy2468, i dont think this is most reliable, i tried with my 140/765, shows still pending
and my 140 receipt number is not there, but most of the receipt numbers are newer than me..dont know...
 
zzzz4zzzz said:
techy2468, i dont think this is most reliable, i tried with my 140/765, shows still pending
and my 140 receipt number is not there, but most of the receipt numbers are newer than me..dont know...
even i thought that my I140 is not there...but the data over there is not from uscis....its updated by attorneys and volunteers.......since you and me never filled in our data in that website....we will not see our cases....

but anyways there are some errors since they show that 485 being approved within 10 days of Receiving....which is impossible because of FP
 
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Everything has its own motive ..

Guys and Gals,

Although I read up on almost all the bulletins and newsletters that these big shot lawyers send out, I never place to much importance on their "opinions". Most of these groups/lawyers have their own vested interests and they twist the news accordingly. I am by no means stating that the retro situation is not bad or that it won't get worse but we cannot pay to much attention to all their claims. What has to happen will happen ..

regards,

saras
 
I agree we should not pay attention. However to our disadvantage those sad predictions have been proved usually right. The bottom line is, we do not have to pay attention, but in the last four years so far those lawyers and their newsletters and bulletins, etc are winning the debate :)






saras76 said:
Guys and Gals,

Although I read up on almost all the bulletins and newsletters that these big shot lawyers send out, I never place to much importance on their "opinions". Most of these groups/lawyers have their own vested interests and they twist the news accordingly. I am by no means stating that the retro situation is not bad or that it won't get worse but we cannot pay to much attention to all their claims. What has to happen will happen ..

regards,

saras
 
Yes ...

marlon2006 said:
I agree we should not pay attention. However to our disadvantage those sad predictions have been proved usually right. The bottom line is, we do not have to pay attention, but in the last four years so far those lawyers and their newsletters and bulletins, etc are winning the debate :)

marlon2006,

Some had it right while others had it wrong. Before the severe retro of Oct 05, Murthy claimed that most Service Centers were pre-approving cases and that the flood gates of approvals would open from Oct 05. We all know what happened then. There were also predictions of the mess we are in. But what does it matter really ...

I was hooked to all this in the past but I am beyond the point of lawyer bulletins, expert analysis, unfounded updates and predictions. Do any of them make any difference (whether good or bad). What matters is the visa bulletin that is released each month. There is nothing to predict, nothing to debate. Most of us should just look at the bulletin and accept whatever it states. At the end of the day our cases will only get approved when the date on the bulletin crosses ours, nothing will change with an experts analysis.

I have always believed in fate but never more than now and especially when it comes to this process. I (and for that matter each and everyperson who is pending) will get the GC if we are destined to get it. We will also get it when our time comes. We also have to be ready to accept the fact that some of us might not get it at all. We need to move on with our lives and stop letting this one thing rule it. I wasted a couple of years this way. Now I do what I have to do.

The only positive thing we can do is try and infulence the immigration debate and get some sort of bill passed. This is going to be extremely difficult but that is the only tangible thing that we can even attempt.

regards,

saras








cheers,

saras
 
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I admire you for your patience. In the past I was naive to believe that I could influence the immigration debate as well. Not anymore. Your employer can influence the immigration debate. If you think you feel comfortable going to your employer and asking him to engage in politics on your behalf, good for you. I am sorry to tell you that is not realistic for most of us. My employer doesn't give a damn about my immigration status. In fact he could silently celebrate my status if I decide to update him.

Our faxes, e-mails and phone calls to lawmakers are ultimately tossed up. If you don't mention on your pledges that you are a constituent, believe me, it is practically useless spending your time writing to lawmakers.

I am sorry if I sound negative and not as optmistic as you anymore.







saras76 said:
marlon2006,

Some had it right while others had it wrong. Before the severe retro of Oct 05, Murthy claimed that most Service Centers were pre-approving cases and that the flood gates of approvals would open from Oct 05. We all know what happened then. There were also predictions of the mess we are in. But what does it matter really ...

I was hooked to all this in the past but I am beyond the point of lawyer bulletins, expert analysis, unfounded updates and predictions. Do any of them make any difference (whether good or bad). What matters is the visa bulletin that is released each month. There is nothing to predict, nothing to debate. Most of us should just look at the bulletin and accept whatever it states. At the end of the day our cases will only get approved when the date on the bulletin crosses ours, nothing will change with an experts analysis.

I have always believed in fate but never more than now and especially when it comes to this process. I (and for that matter each and everyperson who is pending) will get the GC if we are destined to get it. We will also get it when our time comes. We also have to be ready to accept the fact that some of us might not get it at all. We need to move on with our lives and stop letting this one thing rule it. I wasted a couple of years this way. Now I do what I have to do.

The only positive thing we can do is try and infulence the immigration debate and get some sort of bill passed. This is going to be extremely difficult but that is the only tangible thing that we can even attempt.

regards,

saras








cheers,

saras
 
personally, i feel it is worth more to investigate what we can do and allowed to do under the current regulation/law than try to change the system. We are not the citizen of this country although we pay tax. I guess that is part of why we are allowed to be here.
 
I liked the statement "It is like predicting the weather by examining it on a day-to-day basis. Because it stops raining after a storm does not indicate that the skies will continue to stay clear as we move into the winter."

This is absolutely true. For example, eb2 India moved 6 months at once, I really never understood this logic, last year uscis moved 6 months and consumed all the visas at one stertch, wouldn't it have been wise to move few months at a time this time. I see lot of row eb3 guys sitting current for the last 2 months after becoming current. If uscis cannot keep pace with the approvals then why should they move the dates forward. For anyone doing any visa bulletin predictions, better follow the weather example first.
 
I don't believe guessing EB movement is *that hard* or totally random. EB-2 moved 6 months ahead because sometime back Eb-2 had become
unavailable. Then when it re-opened in Oct, USCIS got scared and had moved it 6 months back. They didn't want to take any chances and just moved it 6 months back. When they actually took stock of the situation later, they moved it 6-months ahead .... back to July 2006 visa bulletin numbers.

People...just think logically and things will fall in place. As someone mentioned above, without congressional action; things will only go worse. I-140 approvals followed by job changes might probably be only the way to go.

Regarding EB-2 India movement, I don't expect it to move more than 1 month every month (of course USCIS would probably move it X months once every Y months, to be on the conservative side).
 
no_more_anger said:
I don't believe guessing EB movement is *that hard* or totally random. EB-2 moved 6 months ahead because sometime back Eb-2 had become
unavailable. Then when it re-opened in Oct, USCIS got scared and had moved it 6 months back. They didn't want to take any chances and just moved it 6 months back. When they actually took stock of the situation later, they moved it 6-months ahead .... back to July 2006 visa bulletin numbers.

People...just think logically and things will fall in place. As someone mentioned above, without congressional action; things will only go worse. I-140 approvals followed by job changes might probably be only the way to go.

Regarding EB-2 India movement, I don't expect it to move more than 1 month every month (of course USCIS would probably move it X months once every Y months, to be on the conservative side).

Thats exactly what I am talking about, "uscis moving x months once every y months" without actually clearing all the pending. Also, i don't think they have any idea as what those x and y should be. The following is the uscis disclaimer in November '06.

Cut-off date movements in recent months have been greater than might ordinarily be expected, in an effort to maximize number use within the annual numerical limits.
............................
Readers should be aware that the recent rate of cut-off date advances will not continue indefinitely; however, it is not possible to predict when significantly increased CIS number use will begin to influence the cut-off date determinations.


Suddenly, now i realized that uscis is very closely following Shusterman's weather model analysis.
 
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actually , the real question is what is the monthly number of visas available, and the fact that all of EB1 , and EB2 ROW. is current, how those excess numbers ( if any, historically there has been excess ), are distributed ( either that will go for EB2 oversubscribed first ) or EB3 ROW first., and how is it divided in to equal monthly installments, or the excess is leveled every 3rd month ( last month of the quarter as the AC 21 memo suggests ).

In any case, the fact that EB2 china moved only 2 weeks, last month just does not give us any hope for EB2 india.

My guess is it will stay in Jan 2003 for some time, or marginally move up to Feb 2003 0r Mar 2003, and then will become unavailable for the year.

but if infact the surplus visas flow to EB2 india/china, then it should atleast cover ground until end of 2003 ( historically - there have been atleast 10000, visas extra in EB1 and EB2 : that is if you count all the numbers that were not issued to india or china, it is not more than 20000 - 25000). so in that sense it equates to atleast 20,000 visas to be distributed to oversubscribed.

Any one in ALIA or someone asking USCIS how they are planning to distribute the excess numbers if any. ?

if it is not coming to EB2 india / china , atleast EB3 ROW should advance by a year or two atleast for 2007.
 
True ..

gc_tx_2003 said:
actually , the real question is what is the monthly number of visas available, and the fact that all of EB1 , and EB2 ROW. is current, how those excess numbers ( if any, historically there has been excess ), are distributed ( either that will go for EB2 oversubscribed first ) or EB3 ROW first., and how is it divided in to equal monthly installments, or the excess is leveled every 3rd month ( last month of the quarter as the AC 21 memo suggests ).

In any case, the fact that EB2 china moved only 2 weeks, last month just does not give us any hope for EB2 india.

My guess is it will stay in Jan 2003 for some time, or marginally move up to Feb 2003 0r Mar 2003, and then will become unavailable for the year.

but if infact the surplus visas flow to EB2 india/china, then it should atleast cover ground until end of 2003 ( historically - there have been atleast 10000, visas extra in EB1 and EB2 : that is if you count all the numbers that were not issued to india or china, it is not more than 20000 - 25000). so in that sense it equates to atleast 20,000 visas to be distributed to oversubscribed.

Any one in ALIA or someone asking USCIS how they are planning to distribute the excess numbers if any. ?

if it is not coming to EB2 india / china , atleast EB3 ROW should advance by a year or two atleast for 2007.

gc_tx_2003,

If we knew the ways in which visas are being allocated, a lot of things would become clear. However there is no easy way to find this out. This is one of most non-transparent processes and they like to keep it that way. The more the confusion and non-tranparency, the more they can get away with. It is in their favor to keep things confusing. This gives them a lot of ways to put out "fires" as and when they occur.

cheers,

saras
 
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