Renewing National Passport (NP) after Green Card !
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Tuti1975 said:
Take a look here. It will help you get an idea.
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=224180
yellowdarling
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I got my GC back in March, then renewed my NP in June from consulate in the US.
I wished I had known sooner not to renew my NP, with all this troubles what not.
I am really interested in others' (GC holder from asylum) experiences as far as coming back to the states with renewed NP.
I wished I had known sooner not to renew my NP, with all this troubles what not.
I am really interested in others' (GC holder from asylum) experiences as far as coming back to the states with renewed NP.
yellowdarling
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crap! I wished I had known sooner.
Thanks Jubilee for replying.
Thanks Jubilee for replying.
TortFeasor
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You did what?
Oh My God! You did what?
If I were you I will kill myself right now! I would not even wait until the INS finds out. If you cannot do that, my suggestion is to report yourself to the INS pronto, before the weekend starts. What were you thinking?
The INS cares deeply about you and will hunt you down. To quote from that work of great inspiration, Pulp Fiction, the INS agent shall be shouting the following words as he executes you: "The path of the righteous man and defender is beset on all sides by the iniquity of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the father of lost children. And the INS will execute great vengeance upon them with furious anger, who poison and destroy my brothers; and they shall know that I am the INS when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."
If I were you, I would not even wait for this, I will do it myself and get it over with!
That said, if you want a contrary opinion to the one offered by Comrade Ayyubbov & Co., you may read the following:
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=206893
Cheerio
Oh My God! You did what?
If I were you I will kill myself right now! I would not even wait until the INS finds out. If you cannot do that, my suggestion is to report yourself to the INS pronto, before the weekend starts. What were you thinking?
The INS cares deeply about you and will hunt you down. To quote from that work of great inspiration, Pulp Fiction, the INS agent shall be shouting the following words as he executes you: "The path of the righteous man and defender is beset on all sides by the iniquity of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the father of lost children. And the INS will execute great vengeance upon them with furious anger, who poison and destroy my brothers; and they shall know that I am the INS when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."
If I were you, I would not even wait for this, I will do it myself and get it over with!
That said, if you want a contrary opinion to the one offered by Comrade Ayyubbov & Co., you may read the following:
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=206893
Cheerio
yellowdarling said:
Dude,
What else do you know except telling people it is safe to renew it....
I am not sure everybody wants to fight with USCIS for that in the lengthy legal process and hefty attorney fees. Not like Writ, where USCIS clearly did something wrong, getting into this is clearly no merit.
What else do you know except telling people it is safe to renew it....
I am not sure everybody wants to fight with USCIS for that in the lengthy legal process and hefty attorney fees. Not like Writ, where USCIS clearly did something wrong, getting into this is clearly no merit.
yellowdarling
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TortFeasore:
WOW!! Thanks for the info. Now, if I killed myself, would by decomp. body be free to travel without NP or RTD?
Question: If I married a USC, would that get rid off all my AS6 troubles?
Thanks.
WOW!! Thanks for the info. Now, if I killed myself, would by decomp. body be free to travel without NP or RTD?
Question: If I married a USC, would that get rid off all my AS6 troubles?
Thanks.
TortFeasor said:
What the hell r u talking about??? I don't even have a single post at that thread (http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=206893). And please don't call me comrade, you don't know me.
Instead of giving stupid advises to people why don't you read opinions of professionals about this issue:
http://www.hias.org/Immigration/Answers/rapid_spring04.pdf
Quote:
"What are the consequences if a refugee/asylee voluntarily travels to her country of persecution and then tries to return to the United States? Refugees who voluntarily reenter the country of persecution risk losing their refugee status upon return to the United States. Such return always casts suspicion on their prior claim of “fear of persecution”. However, it is also important to know that a refugee does not automatically lose status by returning to the country of persecution. The Department of Homeland Security is supposed to examine any extraordinary reasons and special circumstances that may have prompted the voluntary return.
The United Nations Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refugee Status under the 1951 Convention, includes several clauses that define the conditions under which a person ceases to be a refugee. These clauses are based on the premise that international protection should not be granted where it is no longer necessary or justified. Voluntary return to one’s home country may trigger one of these so-called “cessation clauses”. Furthermore, entering the country of alleged persecution with a valid passport issued by that country can be construed as a voluntary request for that country’s protection, which may also trigger a cessation clause.
The U.N. Handbook specifically notes that if a refugee applies to her country of persecution for an extension of a national passport or for a new passport, this will, in the absence of “proof to the contrary”, establish a presumption that the refugee intends to avail herself of the protection of the country of her nationality"
Don't forget that even after getting a GC you are stiil the asylee. that's why you, me and others got the AS06 code on it. I've read numerious posts in this forum about green card asylees being questioned about going back to COP or renewing National Passports. So please do not mislead other people just because you've made a mistake doesn't mean that others have to do the same.
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=224180
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TortFeasor
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Oh No!
Comrade! Comrade! I did not mean to get you exercised. I am afraid that you are confusing a number of issues in your response and arguments. I will respond to the major fault lines early next week. I have to pack up for a horse back riding trip and as you may imagine, that will be much more fun than preparing a point-by-point response. But do not despair, it will come soon!
Desvadanya!
Comrade! Comrade! I did not mean to get you exercised. I am afraid that you are confusing a number of issues in your response and arguments. I will respond to the major fault lines early next week. I have to pack up for a horse back riding trip and as you may imagine, that will be much more fun than preparing a point-by-point response. But do not despair, it will come soon!
Desvadanya!
TortFeasor said:Comrade! Comrade! I did not mean to get you exercised. I am afraid that you are confusing a number of issues in your response and arguments. I will respond to the major fault lines early next week. I have to pack up for a horse back riding trip and as you may imagine, that will be much more fun than preparing a point-by-point response. But do not despair, it will come soon!
Desvadanya!
I will do the same what I think you experience a lot from other people in your life, ignore you. Talk to the hand!
P.S. as far as following the advises of this jerk it's up to you people. Just want to tell you that a lot of people are questioned on this subject upon returning to USA (including me). but it's up to you
yellowdarling
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ayyubov:
Did you renew your NP?
Did you renew your NP?
yellowdarling said:
No, I never did. I always use RTD for travel purposes. And my advise to those who did: do not let USCIS know about it. Wantmygcnow recently came back from Germany and have been questioned about the same subject although he has a Green Card. I have been questioned at JFK airport as well about if i ever renew the NP or traveled back to COP. There is nothing to be scared of if you did renewed the passport, just don't show it to USCIS.
yellowdarling
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Should I NOT carry it with me then?
yellowdarling said:
Well I don't want to give you such an advises like not to carry your NP on you. I can tell you that I live here in US for 7 years and never carried my NP with me. Why would I. There is no use for it anyway. US Government provided us with RTD to travel which works in a lieu of NP. Although I have used my original NP before it expired to travel to Turkey and used RTD to come back. I showed it to IO to confirm the trips. But after it expired I never tried to renew it.
TortFeasor
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I am crying uncontrollably!
Comrade Ayyubov, you disappoint and hurt me! Did you say Talk to the hand? You are such a queen! I expected to be treated better like "Talk to the Politburo of the Communist Party" of your beloved Peoples Socialist Republic! Why do you have to humiliate me in public? Do not you know that I have suffered enough by being ignored and not loved? Why do you bring up all that bad memory? Why, Comrade, why? Is there anyone out there who will give me a hug
Let me clarify your errors by highlighting the following:
1. You did not even properly read what your alleged "professional" sources told you. Your quote from HIAS agrees with what I have discussed in my expose. It reads: "However, it is also important to know that a refugee does not automatically lose status by returning to the country of persecution. The Department of Homeland Security is supposed to examine any extraordinary reasons and special circumstances that may have prompted the voluntary return." Mind you this is just for an asylee/refugee and not even for one who has further adjusted his/her status to a LPR.
2. You said "Don't forget that even after getting a GC you are still [the-sic] asylee." Wrong! Failing to appreciate the distinction between the two statuses is a common mistake made by novices. After adjustment of status to LPR, your status is not an asylee! Hence, the reason we use the term "adjustment of status." I know appreciating the finer points and nuances of the law may be quite a challenge but try to follow when brighter minds discuss.
3. You said "So please do not mislead other people just because you've made a mistake doesn't mean that others have to do the same." I do not intend to mislead - I strive to bring logic and common sense. You thrive in confusion, creating panic and spreading groundless fear. I give fellow warriors legitimate tools and empower them to make reasoned choices. Comrade, please note that unlike in many of our "beloved" homelands, a simple INS officer does not have the authority or discretion to revoke LPR status, neither at the point of entry nor at citizenship interview. Again, I know this is tough for you to comprehend but that is how the rule of law functions.
In conclusion, please allow others to exercise a reasoned choice by considering the totality of the circumstances as stated in my expose. I do not want to repeat it here as it is self-explanatory. If for one reason or another, your Comradeship is having difficulty following the arguments there, I will be happy to get it specially translated into your native language (at my expense!). Just ask for help. As a person who gets ignored by others, I know how tough it is to ask for help, but try Comrade, try!
Cheerio
Comrade Ayyubov, you disappoint and hurt me! Did you say Talk to the hand? You are such a queen! I expected to be treated better like "Talk to the Politburo of the Communist Party" of your beloved Peoples Socialist Republic! Why do you have to humiliate me in public? Do not you know that I have suffered enough by being ignored and not loved? Why do you bring up all that bad memory? Why, Comrade, why? Is there anyone out there who will give me a hug
Let me clarify your errors by highlighting the following:
1. You did not even properly read what your alleged "professional" sources told you. Your quote from HIAS agrees with what I have discussed in my expose. It reads: "However, it is also important to know that a refugee does not automatically lose status by returning to the country of persecution. The Department of Homeland Security is supposed to examine any extraordinary reasons and special circumstances that may have prompted the voluntary return." Mind you this is just for an asylee/refugee and not even for one who has further adjusted his/her status to a LPR.
2. You said "Don't forget that even after getting a GC you are still [the-sic] asylee." Wrong! Failing to appreciate the distinction between the two statuses is a common mistake made by novices. After adjustment of status to LPR, your status is not an asylee! Hence, the reason we use the term "adjustment of status." I know appreciating the finer points and nuances of the law may be quite a challenge but try to follow when brighter minds discuss.
3. You said "So please do not mislead other people just because you've made a mistake doesn't mean that others have to do the same." I do not intend to mislead - I strive to bring logic and common sense. You thrive in confusion, creating panic and spreading groundless fear. I give fellow warriors legitimate tools and empower them to make reasoned choices. Comrade, please note that unlike in many of our "beloved" homelands, a simple INS officer does not have the authority or discretion to revoke LPR status, neither at the point of entry nor at citizenship interview. Again, I know this is tough for you to comprehend but that is how the rule of law functions.
In conclusion, please allow others to exercise a reasoned choice by considering the totality of the circumstances as stated in my expose. I do not want to repeat it here as it is self-explanatory. If for one reason or another, your Comradeship is having difficulty following the arguments there, I will be happy to get it specially translated into your native language (at my expense!). Just ask for help. As a person who gets ignored by others, I know how tough it is to ask for help, but try Comrade, try!
Cheerio
ayyubov said:I will do the same what I think you experience a lot from other people in your life, ignore you. Talk to the hand!
P.S. as far as following the advises of this jerk it's up to you people. Just want to tell you that a lot of people are questioned on this subject upon returning to USA (including me). but it's up to you