The bill died for now. Read the last paragraph: Senate will talk about it in "another time." http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050421/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq_spending_7&printer=1
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Real ID R.I.P.
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shamshon said:The bill died for now. Read the last paragraph: Senate will talk about it in "another time." http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050421/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq_spending_7&printer=1
This is good news for those of us who do not like the xenophobic elements of this bill, however much we want to see the cap gone.
But this is not over as the bill now goes to a conference committee. Expect to hear more about this in the days and weeks ahead.
Not quite.
The bill is not dead, it was simply separated from appropriations bill. You might be right in the sense that the senate can ignore this bill for a long time or even forever(?); however, the H.R. 418 is still under consideration. I could be wrong.
I have a lot of lot mixed feelings about this bill. For sure I support removal of caps, but I am completely against pretty much the rest of the bill because it has a lot of xenophobic and anti-immigration overtones. But if real id ends up by passing and becoming law, I hope, at least, that the cap removal stays. This way it would not be a complete loss. I wrote/faxed senators (about 30 of them) emphasing the importance of removing caps, but i did say I do not support the real id as it is.
The bill is not dead, it was simply separated from appropriations bill. You might be right in the sense that the senate can ignore this bill for a long time or even forever(?); however, the H.R. 418 is still under consideration. I could be wrong.
I have a lot of lot mixed feelings about this bill. For sure I support removal of caps, but I am completely against pretty much the rest of the bill because it has a lot of xenophobic and anti-immigration overtones. But if real id ends up by passing and becoming law, I hope, at least, that the cap removal stays. This way it would not be a complete loss. I wrote/faxed senators (about 30 of them) emphasing the importance of removing caps, but i did say I do not support the real id as it is.
The HR 1268 bill will be discussed by house-senate conference committee to agree on a final bill that will be passed onto the president.
I read an article said that the House could still keep its version with Real ID amentment to HR 1268 that will be sent to the White House...
I read an article said that the House could still keep its version with Real ID amentment to HR 1268 that will be sent to the White House...
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Shamshon, a slight correction. The Senate just passed H.R. 1268 a few moments ago. Only the Senate version of the REAL ID Act was dropped and the House version still lingers. It is possible that when both houses meet in "Conference" to iron out both versions, the House negotiators may try to tack on H.R. 418 to the final consolidated bill that will have to be approved by both houses.
One way or the other, in spite of our best wishes whereby only the annual cap is removed and all the other xenophobic provisions are rejected, we should be ready for the possibility that the cap removal may be a victim of the political give and take. Congress may not want to take the political blame by delaying enactment of appropriations necessary to fund the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan by linking the appropriations issue with the much needed debate on immigration reform.
Cooler heads will hopefully see that the quick fixes and false generalizations found in the REAL ID Act will not give us a sustainable and realistic solution to the underlying problem: i.e., a reasonable and commonsensical legalization program.
Cheerio
Shamshon, a slight correction. The Senate just passed H.R. 1268 a few moments ago. Only the Senate version of the REAL ID Act was dropped and the House version still lingers. It is possible that when both houses meet in "Conference" to iron out both versions, the House negotiators may try to tack on H.R. 418 to the final consolidated bill that will have to be approved by both houses.
One way or the other, in spite of our best wishes whereby only the annual cap is removed and all the other xenophobic provisions are rejected, we should be ready for the possibility that the cap removal may be a victim of the political give and take. Congress may not want to take the political blame by delaying enactment of appropriations necessary to fund the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan by linking the appropriations issue with the much needed debate on immigration reform.
Cooler heads will hopefully see that the quick fixes and false generalizations found in the REAL ID Act will not give us a sustainable and realistic solution to the underlying problem: i.e., a reasonable and commonsensical legalization program.
Cheerio
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I am really concerned about the House on this issue. They might send the most xenophobic members to the conference committee.
TortFeasor said:Shamshon, a slight correction. The Senate just passed H.R. 1268 a few moments ago. Only the Senate version of the REAL ID Act was dropped and the House version still lingers. It is possible that when both houses meet in "Conference" to iron out both versions, the House negotiators may try to tack on H.R. 418 to the final consolidated bill that will have to be approved by both houses.
One way or the other, in spite of our best wishes whereby only the annual cap is removed and all the other xenophobic provisions are rejected, we should be ready for the possibility that the cap removal may be a victim of the political give and take. Congress may not want to take the political blame by delaying enactment of appropriations necessary to fund the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan by linking the appropriations issue with the much needed debate on immigration reform.
Cooler heads will hopefully see that the quick fixes and false generalizations found in the REAL ID Act will not give us a sustainable and realistic solution to the underlying problem: i.e., a reasonable and commonsensical legalization program.
Cheerio
Very informative. Many thanks for this.TortFeasor said:Shamshon, a slight correction. The Senate just passed H.R. 1268 a few moments ago. Only the Senate version of the REAL ID Act was dropped and the House version still lingers. It is possible that when both houses meet in "Conference" to iron out both versions, the House negotiators may try to tack on H.R. 418 to the final consolidated bill that will have to be approved by both houses.
One way or the other, in spite of our best wishes whereby only the annual cap is removed and all the other xenophobic provisions are rejected, we should be ready for the possibility that the cap removal may be a victim of the political give and take. Congress may not want to take the political blame by delaying enactment of appropriations necessary to fund the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan by linking the appropriations issue with the much needed debate on immigration reform.
Cooler heads will hopefully see that the quick fixes and false generalizations found in the REAL ID Act will not give us a sustainable and realistic solution to the underlying problem: i.e., a reasonable and commonsensical legalization program.
Cheerio