REAL ID Act News (approval looks likely)

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It looks like this bill can really pass. It is to be regretted.

Congress set to pass strict driver's-licenses bill
By Charlie Savage The Boston Globe
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 27, 2005

WASHINGTON Congress is poised to pass a law that would make sweeping changes to the nation's system for issuing driver's licenses by imposing stringent requirements on states to verify the authenticity of birth certificates, Social Security cards, legal residency visas, and bank and utility records used to obtain a license.

House Republicans attached the bill to a must-pass supplemental spending package for troops in Iraq without first putting it through the usual legislative scrutiny of hearings and debate. Should it emerge intact from House-Senate negotiations over the spending package, it could be law next month. Touted as an antiterrorism measure, the "Real ID Act" would also overturn laws in nine states that allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses. If a state does not comply with any provision of the law, its residents would no longer be able to use their driver's licenses for federal identification purposes, such as for boarding a plane.


The law, some say, would effectively turn the new driver's license into a national identification card. Its chief champion, James Sensenbrenner, Republican of Wisconsin and the house judiciary chairman, says the measure would help prevent terrorists from fraudulently gaining official documents that would allow them to enter the country and move freely.


Another set of provisions would significantly raise the standard of proof that asylum applicants must meet when claiming that they have been persecuted on ethnic, religious, or political grounds. It would also grant greater discretion to Homeland Security officials to reject asylum seekers and curtail the ability of appeals courts to issue stays of deportation orders and review rejected cases.


Terrorists have "used almost every conceivable means of entering the country," Sensenbrenner said in a statement provided by an aide.

"They have come as students, tourists, and business visitors. They have also been legal permanent residents‚ and naturalized U.S. citizens. They have snuck across the border illegally, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, and have been granted amnesty. Terrorists have even used America's humanitarian tradition of welcoming those seeking asylum. We must plug these gaps."


But many critics of the Real ID Act say that it goes too far and that its language is riddled with problems that might have been corrected through the normal legislative review process.


The bill "does much more than just deny driver's licenses to illegal immigrants," said Cheye Calvo of the National Conference of State Legislatures.


State lawmakers and governors say that the Real ID Act would lead to horrific delays at motor vehicle bureaus, that it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars more than Congress anticipates, and that it would impose an unrealistic three-year deadline for having the verification system in place.


Moreover, civil libertarians argue that by creating uniform national standards for driver's licenses and requiring states to pool driver information in a national database, the bill is a back-door move to creating a national identification card, which they oppose on privacy grounds.


And immigrant advocates fear the asylum changes are too draconian and will hurt people with legitimate claims of persecution.


But Sensenbrenner is pushing hard to keep the measure on the final Iraq spending bill, and his opinion carries special weight in Congress.

Republican leaders promised him last December that the Real ID Act would get a quick hearing in 2005 after he agreed to remove it from a major intelligence overhaul bill that the Bush administration needed to pass.


Moreover, political observers say the Bush administration is unwilling to antagonize Sensenbrenner because, as Judiciary Committee chairman, he will hold sway over President George W. Bush's proposal to reform the immigration system by establishing a system of guest worker visas.
 
Here is a Newsday article:

Ready to tackle ID Act
Congress will begin to hash out provision, part of contentious immigration measures, that would bar the undocumented getting driver's licenses
BY DEBORAH BARFIELD BERRY
WASHINGTON BUREAU

April 25, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Groups on both sides of the immigration overhaul debate are bracing for contentious negotiations in Congress over a bill that would deny driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Lawmakers are expected as early as this week to iron out differences in House and Senate bills that include that and other controversial immigration provisions.

At issue is a House Republican measure that not only bans illegal immigrants from getting licenses, but also makes it harder to claim political asylum and allows federal officials to build a fence along the Mexican border. The driver's license provision, however, has stirred more heated debate among immigrant advocates, families of the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks and state legislators like Sen. Michael Balboni (R-East Williston).

Supporters of the bill called the Real ID Act say the ban is an effort to better protect the borders. They say illegal immigrants shouldn't be able to get licenses and note that some of the Sept. 11 hijackers used driver's licenses to board the planes.

"It's a no brainer," said Peter Gadiel, president of 9/11 Families for a Secure America, a group that says it's working to secure the nation's borders. "Why is it that states in this country are giving driver's licenses to people whose true identity are not known? ... With 9/11 behind us, it's just insane."

Opponents contend that the measure has nothing to do with homeland security and is more about anti-immigration policies. The measure was attached to a supplemental spending bill, which earmarked money for troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and tsunami aid.

"It's so opportunistic for those anti-immigrant legislators to try to bypass a thorough discussion on such a complex and important issue by trying to ram it through Congress," said Chung-Wha Hong, deputy director of the New York Immigration Coalition.

Immigrant advocates concede they face an uphill battle. Unlike last year, a similar attempt was stripped from the intelligence overhaul measure.

"The Republicans have been winning the debate," said Tim Sparapani, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, adding that meanwhile, "the press hasn't connected the dots. [And] Democrats are afraid of being labeled soft on terror."

Lawmakers are under pressure to move quickly on the emergency funding. Advocates say because the immigration provisions are attached to the funding it may be hard for lawmakers to reject the bill. "They are handcuffing anybody who wants to support the troops in the field," Sparapani said.

Some lawmakers said immigration changes shouldn't be part of the supplemental. "This is not the way to deal with immigration," said Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.). "We need to debate this thoroughly."

Last week the supplemental bill stalled over immigration provisions. But late Thursday, senators approved an amendment lifting a cap on seasonal immigrant workers in the crab and lobster industries and expanding visas for specialized workers such as nurses. A measure to give undocumented farm workers temporary immigration status failed.

The House had already passed legislation with tougher immigration provisions.

Groups on both sides complain that New York Sens. Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer, both Democrats, haven't made their positions clear.

"If they don't stand up for the rights of immigrants by fighting against Real ID, I'm not sure we have a chance," Hong said.

Gadiel said the senators should make up their minds. "We're not talking about a science program or designing a rocket here," he said. "What's so complicated?"

Clinton joined others in urging Senate leaders to remove the immigrant provisions from the supplemental.

Schumer, who co-sponsored the measure that expands visas to nurses, called the bill "complicated and controversial" and said it should go through the committee process and be debated in the House and Senate.

Supporters say unlike last year the new Senate conferees are more receptive to immigration changes and this time the House will prevail.

"The House feels as though it was burned by the Senate," said Paul S. Egan, director of government relations for FAIR, a group supporting immigration restrictions. "I don't think they're prepared to allow themselves to be burned again."

Gadiel's group held a forum on the bill in Manhattan yesterday and plans to lobby lawmakers in Washington this week.

Still, some immigration advocates are banking on senators to keep the tougher provisions out of final legislation.

"There are plenty of senators who hate the Real ID Act and are pressing their leadership not to agree to it and not to bring it back to the Senate in the conference report," said Cecilia Muñoz of LaRaza, a national advocacy group.

The issue has spurred an unusual alliance including environmentalists, who oppose waiving environmental laws to build the fence, and religious conservatives, who take issue with making it harder for immigrants to win asylum.

Balboni, who is heading a task force of state legislators opposing the bill, said they are concerned about the cost and another federal mandate.

"It's an erosion of state's traditional rights," he said.

Balboni called the measure a "knee-jerk" reaction that may make people feel secure, but doesn't take into account the complexity of implementation.
 
Just look at this quote..and it scares you..

"They have come as students, tourists, and business visitors. They have also been legal permanent residents‚ and naturalized U.S. citizens. They have snuck across the border illegally, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, and have been granted amnesty. Terrorists have even used America's humanitarian tradition of welcoming those seeking asylum. We must plug these gaps."

So the congressman is saying that EVERYONE can be a terrorist unless you are born in the United States...
 
The fact of the matter is that terrorists can and do appear in various disguises. As shown by the 9/11 events, they are capable of inflicting massive casualties here. The national government frankly has an imperative to fight these people. And the REAL ID Act would be a good addition to the legal arsenal.


wantmygcnow said:
Just look at this quote..and it scares you..

"They have come as students, tourists, and business visitors. They have also been legal permanent residents‚ and naturalized U.S. citizens. They have snuck across the border illegally, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, and have been granted amnesty. Terrorists have even used America's humanitarian tradition of welcoming those seeking asylum. We must plug these gaps."

So the congressman is saying that EVERYONE can be a terrorist unless you are born in the United States...
 
wantmygcnow said:
Just look at this quote..and it scares you..

"They have come as students, tourists, and business visitors. They have also been legal permanent residents‚ and naturalized U.S. citizens. They have snuck across the border illegally, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, and have been granted amnesty. Terrorists have even used America's humanitarian tradition of welcoming those seeking asylum. We must plug these gaps."

So the congressman is saying that EVERYONE can be a terrorist unless you are born in the United States...
Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Some one is finally see how racist these republican red necks are
 
Shamson, I have almost always agreed with you...I mean i am no fan of the republicans...The problem with these americans are that they think that just having REAL Id bill is a way for security...Nowadays they are lots of psychos driving out on the road..this bill will make even more crazy ppl on the road..I think they will kill more on the roads which they dont get..
 
my opinion

Not that my opinion matters as passage of this damn bill is almost a foregone conclusion (just being realistic here). I hope that they can at least take out the provisions dealing with the new asylum restrictions as they would potentially send genuine asylum seekers back to their persecutors. This should not stand. The licensing provisions might be OK since they are already in effect in over 40 states anyway. In other words, I would take the licensing provisions as they are going to do way with the new asylum rules.
 
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politics of fear

wantmygcnow said:
Just look at this quote..and it scares you..

"They have come as students, tourists, and business visitors. They have also been legal permanent residents‚ and naturalized U.S. citizens. They have snuck across the border illegally, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, and have been granted amnesty. Terrorists have even used America's humanitarian tradition of welcoming those seeking asylum. We must plug these gaps."

So the congressman is saying that EVERYONE can be a terrorist unless you are born in the United States...

Unfortunately they want to forget that this country was attacked by one American Citizen b4 (in Oklahoma federal bldg), a few years back.

What is happening now is politics of fear; very xenophobic – they want to create fear of anything that is alien – foreign. Who are they? Politicians.

They forget that their families, most likely, immigrated here too a while back. Only Native Americans can really claim they are the original people of this country.
 
Any news on 245i revival?

I read that the bill was introduced to HR.
If they vore in REAL ID, may thay compromize on that?
 
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