Rational Discussion: Going back to one's home country

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WellWisher007

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Lets have a very rational discussion, evaluating pros and cons of going back to one's home country. Please, please, please do not post emotional, out-of-context comments. Restrict the comments to your personal situation/career in a very objective manner, how retrogression has affected your career, how going back to your home country may/may not be the right choice, why staying back in US may/may not be the right choice?

Based on the rational discussion here, we would be able to guide the next generation of potential immigrants (your friends, relatives, fellow-country men and women) or give information to the press back in our home country to present the correct picture of the current US immigration system, benefits/down-falls, etc.

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Updating pros & cons of going back to your home country - based on feedback on the same topic in another forum:
Pros:
1) Booming economies of countries like China, India; professionals have more opportunities in these economies
2) A place where you feel at home; large extended family back home

Cons:
1) Culture change - especially for US-born or US-raised kids to adapt to the home country culture
2) Losing out on SS benefits, if leaving US prior to completing 10 years
3) Quality of life and a relatively fair job culture, work-place and environment in US

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That is rational; however I meant feasible as well:); this maybe feasible/possible for you, but not for everyone:D. By the way, when are you going to reach your "millions"?; again, did you mean 'dollars' or your 'home country currency'?
gc_retrogress said:
Earn millions and then go back.
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haha:)

My experience with these forums have been that people are way too imaginative and creative to make even a vague topic worthwhile to discuss.

On a serious note, I was really hoping to get some objective points to consider while deciding to go back to your home country or pursuing your career in US. One of the cons that a member pointed out in another forum was that you will not be able to claim social security when you retire, if you do not complete 10 years in US. Although it is debatable and a minor issue for most, it is something that I did not know about. So, I would consider it as an objective point to consider while deciding. So, my goal with this "vague" thread was to document such objective points and then present them in the form of 10 cons and 10 pros (for eg.).:)

Cheers!!
gc_retrogress said:
Honestly this topic so vague so I decided to post a vague comment.

:)
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Forget SSN...

WellWisher007 said:
2) Losing out on SS benefits, if leaving US prior to completing 10 years


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If you are in 20-30 age group, it will be bankrupt by the time we are eligible...so dont count on it
 
You might benefit by visiting a forum called r2i on msn.
Mostly, the decision is not rational but emotional one (guided by factors such as being close to one's parents, etc.)
Other rational factors to consider:
- kid's education & professional growth (educational system in the US vs in the home country and what this would do to your kids)
-economy in the US once they need to find jobs
- can you retire in the US

The biggest question to ponder is if immigration issue were taken out of the equation, would you want to stay in the US or go to home country?
WellWisher007 said:
Lets have a very rational discussion, evaluating pros and cons of going back to one's home country. Please, please, please do not post emotional, out-of-context comments. Restrict the comments to your personal situation/career in a very objective manner, how retrogression has affected your career, how going back to your home country may/may not be the right choice, why staying back in US may/may not be the right choice?

Based on the rational discussion here, we would be able to guide the next generation of potential immigrants (your friends, relatives, fellow-country men and women) or give information to the press back in our home country to present the correct picture of the current US immigration system, benefits/down-falls, etc.

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Updating pros & cons of going back to your home country - based on feedback on the same topic in another forum:
Pros:
1) Booming economies of countries like China, India; professionals have more opportunities in these economies
2) A place where you feel at home; large extended family back home

Cons:
1) Culture change - especially for US-born or US-raised kids to adapt to the home country culture
2) Losing out on SS benefits, if leaving US prior to completing 10 years
3) Quality of life and a relatively fair job culture, work-place and environment in US

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If you want to have a truly rational comparsion you need to score one with other.Identify the factors which are important for our generation some of them maybe..

a)Career with possibilty for growth and pay increases-- US or India
b)Family Life--Us Or India
c)Retirement Benfits--Us or India
d)Children/Higher Education-- Us or India
e)Corruption/Crime-- Us or India
f)Pollution/safe roads --Us or India
g)Cost of Living--Us or India
h)Quality of Life --Us or India
I)HealthCare--Us or India
J)Political Scene --Us or India

At the end of the day it is which ever appears more in your answers Us or India..
 
be True to yourself and your heart.

I am sure you can always find logical reasoning behind why you should still stick to USA. Of all the people I have met so far i.e. who relocated to India, None of them had any metrics done.

If you really want to move, you will...one day OR you will just keep on leading life here ..your reasoning will prevail your mind and you will make your heart believe the same. In the end, just see if you are happy.

cheers
 
Greetings.

I spent last Christmas with family and in my homeland and I had too much fun. Not only with family, but it is true that back home social life is (better?) than in the US, which is more business oriented.

Therefore I am considering wait for citizenship process and then go back to work back home. I think that would be an ideal situation.

Drawback I can see is that I would need to rent my condo in the US. I don't think that is a big problem though. Now let me wait again for this citizenship process. Crazy.

Regards,

Marlon

where_is_my_gc said:
be True to yourself and your heart.

I am sure you can always find logical reasoning behind why you should still stick to USA. Of all the people I have met so far i.e. who relocated to India, None of them had any metrics done.

If you really want to move, you will...one day OR you will just keep on leading life here ..your reasoning will prevail your mind and you will make your heart believe the same. In the end, just see if you are happy.

cheers
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You are right on this point. Once the immigration issue is taken out of the picture, then it truly becomes a rational analysis. However, till the immigration issue is resolved, it takes away on an average 4-5 years of an individual's professional career, where his advancement is practically on a 'stand still'. Mind it that most of the professionals on H1 are in their late 20s, which is considered to be the start of the peak of a professional career. This is an important factor in deciding whether to go back to your home country or stay on in US - atleast in the current immigration system.

tusharvk said:
The biggest question to ponder is if immigration issue were taken out of the equation, would you want to stay in the US or go to home country?
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if we take the immigration issue out of the picture??.........would we even have a question in mind???........atleast folks in this forum.....

for me the equation is only balanced if i add the heavy weight of this shitty immigration process which can almost make us live a suspended life forever.....waiting for the GC.

personally i would have seriously considered going back for the following reasons:

1. JOBS (they are plenty in india right now)
2. ASSETS...If my family would have had enough property/real estate....that i dont have to spend money for it.....or if i would have had a lot of savings.... (most people are lucky.....i am not )
3. FAMILY and friends.......ideally i would like my family to live with me over here in usa.....but you all know how tiring the process is.....even to get a visitor visa....you have to jump through hoops.......


but lets say......i have $10 million in my hand..........GC/PR of any country is easy........i dont need a job.....where would i live then??

i think i would like to live both in usa and india.........best of both worlds....
 
When it comes to this question, there is nothing rational...

It is not a matter of how much you love your home country or how much you love to live in US or hate to be stuck for Retrogression. It is all about the "TRUTH" state of a human mind. (you need to be honest to yourself)

Not only mentioned that you are not a GC hold yet, even if you are or even a US passport holder. Your state of mind will lie to you.

Say, you are in US, you always miss the home country, the people, the food and the places. But when you are at home, you will begin to miss the good things in US like the good job, cleaner air, better climate, good movies, easy to buy on eBay and good internet sites and so on...

So, it is a matter of greed (Want all the goodies from both worlds).
Stay or leave - either way is a tough decision no matter what you are having right now, H1, GC, or passport.

But for myself, I will eventually go back home when the time is right. (With or without the GC or passport). Life is short and do the things will make you happy.
 
Eligible for SS benifits after working for 10 years irrespective of citizenship?

Can anyone please enlighten me on this - If I leave back to India after earning 40 credits, will I be eligible for SS benifits even if I don't have GC or US citizenship?

I understand the possiblity that social secutiry might run out of funds by the time I retire but that is a whole different topic.

WellWisher007 said:
2) Losing out on SS benefits, if leaving US prior to completing 10 years
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I am not sure on this. There are conflicting opinions. Some say you have to be in US during retirement to receive the check, automatically requiring to maintain some status in the US at the time of receipt of the benefits. Some say that you can receive it, at your home country after earning 40 credits. We may have to contact the SS officials to get a clear response on this.
pipedream said:
Can anyone please enlighten me on this - If I leave back to India after earning 40 credits, will I be eligible for SS benifits even if I don't have GC or US citizenship?

I understand the possiblity that social secutiry might run out of funds by the time I retire but that is a whole different topic.
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pipedream said:
Looks like this is one of those gray areas. ssa.gov has the info how to collect your ss benifits when you're outside of the US but it doesn't talk about whether you're eligible if you are not a citizen.
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On that same page, they listed the non-US countries for whom being a citizen makes you eligible to collect (provided other eligibility criteria such as 40 credits etc. have been met, of course).

My country is on the list, but when SS starts going bankrupt I could see them removing all except the few countries that they have the closest alliances with (like UK, Canada, Japan).
 
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Got it!

Thanks dude, I see it now. Gosh! I must have been daydreaming :) well, that's all I got to do... India is not one of those countries, on the other hand you're right, who knows when this list is going to shrink.



Jackolantern said:
On that same page, they listed the non-US countries for whom being a citizen makes you eligible to collect (provided other eligibility criteria such as 40 credits etc. have been met, of course).

My country is on the list, but when SS starts going bankrupt I could see them removing all except the few countries that they have the closest alliances with (like UK, Canada, Japan).
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now that's nice. when it comes to taking contributions all country citizens have to pay; but when it comes to giving back, only select countries' citizens are paid back even after all the other conditions are met.
Very convenient.
pipedream said:
Thanks dude, I see it now. Gosh! I must have been daydreaming :) well, that's all I got to do... India is not one of those countries, on the other hand you're right, who knows when this list is going to shrink.
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