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Question about Case Number and number of winners of each region

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VahidGTU

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Dear friends,

As you can see there are a huge number of posts on this forum and I couldn't find what I want to know. If my question is not new then Please forgive me!

I wanna know Does case number of each region starts from 0? or they are continuous? for example for DV-2009 If there is 2009AS00001 then is there any 2009EU00001 or 2009AF00001 too? OR the if Firs winner is from Asia then the case number is 2009AS00001 and the second winner is from Europe 2009EU00002 and there isn't any 2009AS00002 case number...?!

The second question is how they calculate the number of winners every year? is it fix or float?

Thanks for your help.;)
 
VahidGTU said:
... for DV-2009 If there is 2009AS00001 then is there any 2009EU00001 or 2009AF00001 too?
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Yes, there are the same numbers in EU, AS, AF... The numbers are not continuous from one continent to another.

VahidGTU said:
... The second question is how they calculate the number of winners every year? is it fix or float?
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I don't get this one. If you are asking about overall winners - every year there are 50.000 winners, applicants, they do not count family members.

Whatever you needed this info for I hope this helps you:)
 
My friend thank you for your answer but I know the total winners of a 1 years. yes the winners are 50.000 total but I want to know why some years the winners of one region are much more than another region. I think I read that for the last year winners of AF region was more AS. how they calculate each years amount of every region's winners?

Is there any opinion?
 
They have their diversity calculation and I guess they use aprox. values cause you never know how many family members there would be following applicants.
No one can tell you exact number and why would we need it for:)
 
xeg said:
No one can tell you exact number and why would we need it for:)
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If a person was born in an ineligible country, but his spouse and both parents were born in eligible countries in different regions, the person could choose which country to pick as his country of eligibility and it would be smart to pick the region with the best odds :)
 
VahidGTU said:
I wanna know Does case number of each region starts from 0? or they are continuous? for example for DV-2009 If there is 2009AS00001 then is there any 2009EU00001 or 2009AF00001 too? OR the if Firs winner is from Asia then the case number is 2009AS00001 and the second winner is from Europe 2009EU00002 and there isn't any 2009AS00002 case number...?!
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Maybe this might answer your question:

Foreign Affairs Manual 42.33 PN3.2
Chronological Registration and Determining of Rank Numbers(CT:VISA-754; 07-27-2005)
"a. All entries received within the stipulated time period are sorted into six geographic regions, and each entry is assigned an individual number. A computer program especially created for the DV program randomly selects cases from among the entries received for each of the geographic regions. Within each region, the first entry randomly selected will be the first case registered, the second entry selected, the second registration, etc."​

and

Foreign Affairs Manual 42.33 PN3.1
Registration and Retention of Original Entries(CT:VISA-754; 07-27-2005)
"The Kentucky Consular Center (KCC) registers approximately 90,000 applicants (both principals and dependents) each year. The KCC will notify posts of the number of applicants from their DV-processing area who were selected, broken down by country of residence. The KCC will maintain a computer-generated master list of registered applicants."​
 
"The Kentucky Consular Center (KCC) registers approximately 90,000 applicants (both principals and dependents) each year."

Wait, does this mean that the initial number of winners, that figure of around 90,000 includes dependents too?
 
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darkhorse said:
"The Kentucky Consular Center (KCC) registers approximately 90,000 applicants (both principals and dependents) each year."

Wait, does this mean that the initial number of winners, that figure of around 90,000 includes dependents too?
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darkhorse,
It's strange I know, but it appears to be so.
 
darkhorse said:
"The Kentucky Consular Center (KCC) registers approximately 90,000 applicants (both principals and dependents) each year."

Wait, does this mean that the initial number of winners, that figure of around 90,000 includes dependents too?
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I don't think so. They only notify principal applicants (approx. 90,000). How will they ever know the dependents coz in between people are marry, give birth and die.
 
My Friends I think you talk about another things in this thread!
1) every year 50.000 applicant get the us Visa from DV program.
2) every applicant may has spouse and children, the total Number of visas give to applicants and their family are about 90.000
3) when KCC wants to send Notification Letters they select about 100.000 main applicant winners first because some of the main applicant may not have the required qualification OR has problem in filling forms OR not have financial support ... and for example for first 50.000 applicants maybe 40.000 could get visa and then they will active the next 10.000 person from 100.000.
In this way KCC will give %100 all the 50.000 visas to winners.

Now my question is: HOW THEY CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF WINNERS FROM EACH REGION OR COUNTRY? Why Germany must has many more winners than France...?

There must be a formula, anybody know what is that?
 
VahidGTU said:
Now my question is: HOW THEY CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF WINNERS FROM EACH REGION OR COUNTRY? Why Germany must has many more winners than France...?

There must be a formula, anybody know what is that?
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I don't know how the numbers are allocated per region, but there is a limit of 3,500 (7% of 50,000) DV-visas per country (not counting dependents). The only reason Germany had so many more winners than France last time is probably that there were many more German participants than French ones. (Keep in mind that Germany has a larger population while France has a higher standard of living.) However, whether you apply from France or Germany, your chances of winning are exactly the same since neither country seems to be anywhere close to hitting the 7% limit.

If you are from a country where more than 3,500 winning notifications were sent out, tough luck since not everybody will be able to get a visa.
 
To F1 winner:

It is the FAM i'm quoting.......and that is precisely why they ask you to list your dependents in the initial entry..........but of course, some winners choose to marry after they win, but this is only a small number, and even this is scritinized very carefully at the interview.

So, it does include dependents too......just read the FAM.
 
darkhorse said:
So, it does include dependents too......
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Something does not add up here. If the figure of 90,000 includes dependents then this would mean that this number could be reached with far fewer than 50,000 DV entries if those include larger numbers of dependents and this is clearly not the case.
 
It's 7% of 55000(strangely), not 50000. And the limit (whichever youre talking about, the 3850 or 50000) includes dependents too...

it's total 50000 visas, not 50000 primary applicants..
 
And that thing about France having a higher living standard........here's the turth........France sucks okay........Germany is a lot better...

All people do in France is be jealous of the US......

They can't stand the fact that the US is the greatest country in the world.
 
darkhorse said:
it's total 50000 visas, not 50000 primary applicants..
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My friend, It is not 50.000 visas at all! 50.000 visas is given to primary applicant and the number of spouse and children will added to this number.

One question, does spouse and children under 21 get their own Green card too? OR Green card is given to Main applicant?:p
 
Yes, you are definitley right........i mean i really saw somewhere in an official document that it is 7% of 55000. Don't know what to say...

But.....if you read that thing carefully, it does sound like that the initial number of winners inlcludes dependents too.
 
Salam Vahid

I had a deep research on this topic during last month and will happy to share them with you all.
There are some rules that we have to consider to find out how case numbers works.
1. Each person who enters USA needs a Visa.
2. There are 50,000 visas available for DV-2009.
3. These 50,000 Visa include Principals that gets DV1 Visa, Spouses of married Principals that gets DV2 Visa, and Children of married Principals that gets DV3 Visa.

My Reference is : http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/FSDiversityLPR2004.pdf

This Document is dated 2004, but noting change since that time in this regard.

You will find some interesting Facts in this document like:

- As you can see in Figure 1, the number of Principals are half (approximately) of total.
That means if 100,000 applicants are selected via KCC, then there is about 50,000 Principals and only 25,000 Principals finally will be successful during interview.
 
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