ZukotheCat
Registered Users (C)
maybe they asked to present the amount, so as to be seen, as oppose to pay in
Please Need for Affidavit of support
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Sorry, I don't believe it. There's nothing in the law that requires a deposit to the Department of State to guarantee a visitor visa. Maybe what the guy meant as a 'deposit' is a 'time deposit' account at the bank, showing that the sponsor has $15,000 spare money to the consular officer.
Britsimon
Super Moderator
Yeah - I'm sure that is more likely. In America (and the UK) when you go to the bank with a check (cheque) to pay in you are going to "deposit" the money and your balance is sometimes as the amount of money you have "on deposit".
Actually the sponsor can be held financially liable if the sponsored person becomes a public charge. If you sponsor me to come on a DV then shortly after arrival I apply for food stamps, then the agency that manages the program can sue you for the money they send me.
Lol I could have the misfortune of a crazy CO or someone who got up from the wrong side of the bed or was on a bender
There's one lady there I've heard of at the embassy and she rips the visa (B1/B2) applicants to shreds or doesn't give them a visa at all so I hope she won't be mean to me if she interviews me.
People here say its a race issue and that local Tanzanians are being rejected because of their skin colour or because the CO is afraid they'll become illegals by entering with a B1/B2 visa which in actual fact has been happening.
So scratch the title deed. I've got my personal bank statement ready which I guess acts as the statement of financial position/net worth. I'm also taking copies of my company documents along (business licence, VAT registration and TIN registration) just for the heck of it.
I have my aunt's I-134 along with her portfolio of investments (she's got money in stocks) which I have the original data for and her latest tax return.
I'll probably also mention that my brother got his green card a few days ago in case it comes up in the questioning phase.
If we meet up Simon, drinks are on me (I'll stick to non-alcoholic as I am a sober human being these days lol).
Thanks as always for the positive feedback mate!
Case No - DV2013AF0007XXXX (applied the first time and got it the first time - lucky me!)
Entry Checked - 1st May 2012
Forms Sent To KCC - 10th May 2012
Received By KCC - 12th May 2012
Confirmation From KCC - 25th May 2012 after I sent them an email
2nd NL - 14th June 2013
Police Clearance (TZ) - 13th June 2013
Police Clearance (UK) - 21st June 2013
Medicals - Completed 24th June 2013
I-134 - 16th July 2013
Bank Statements - 22nd July 2013
Interview - Wednesday, August 7th 2013 @ 8am - US Embassy Tanzania
Visa Pick up - Hopefully August 11th 2013
Departure Date - August 17th 2013
Port of Entry - Washington Dulles
Britsimon
Super Moderator
No, not on the I134. You are referring to the other affidavit of support - the I-864. The I-864 is not used in DV cases (and the I-134 cannot be used for cases where the I-864 is required).
Zuko I'm planning to stay in touch with the forum as I'd very much like to guide others if I go through and I'll be citing my own experiences from the outset to give others an idea of what to expect.
Case No - DV2013AF0007XXXX (applied the first time and got it the first time - lucky me!)
Entry Checked - 1st May 2012
Forms Sent To KCC - 10th May 2012
Received By KCC - 12th May 2012
Confirmation From KCC - 25th May 2012 after I sent them an email
2nd NL - 14th June 2013
Police Clearance (TZ) - 13th June 2013
Police Clearance (UK) - 21st June 2013
Medicals - Completed 24th June 2013
I-134 - 16th July 2013
Bank Statements - 22nd July 2013
Interview - Wednesday, August 7th 2013 @ 8am - US Embassy Tanzania
Visa Pick up - Hopefully August 11th 2013
Departure Date - August 17th 2013
Port of Entry - Washington Dulles
Well, the instructions on the I-134 specifically says that the agency can sue you...
Britsimon
Super Moderator
Lol I could have the misfortune of a crazy CO or someone who got up from the wrong side of the bed or was on a bender
There's one lady there I've heard of at the embassy and she rips the visa (B1/B2) applicants to shreds or doesn't give them a visa at all so I hope she won't be mean to me if she interviews me.
People here say its a race issue and that local Tanzanians are being rejected because of their skin colour or because the CO is afraid they'll become illegals by entering with a B1/B2 visa which in actual fact has been happening.
So scratch the title deed. I've got my personal bank statement ready which I guess acts as the statement of financial position/net worth. I'm also taking copies of my company documents along (business licence, VAT registration and TIN registration) just for the heck of it.
I have my aunt's I-134 along with her portfolio of investments (she's got money in stocks) which I have the original data for and her latest tax return.
I'll probably also mention that my brother got his green card a few days ago in case it comes up in the questioning phase.
If we meet up Simon, drinks are on me (I'll stick to non-alcoholic as I am a sober human being these days lol).
Thanks as always for the positive feedback mate!
Case No - DV2013AF0007XXXX (applied the first time and got it the first time - lucky me!)
Entry Checked - 1st May 2012
Forms Sent To KCC - 10th May 2012
Received By KCC - 12th May 2012
Confirmation From KCC - 25th May 2012 after I sent them an email
2nd NL - 14th June 2013
Police Clearance (TZ) - 13th June 2013
Police Clearance (UK) - 21st June 2013
Medicals - Completed 24th June 2013
I-134 - 16th July 2013
Bank Statements - 22nd July 2013
Interview - Wednesday, August 7th 2013 @ 8am - US Embassy Tanzania
Visa Pick up - Hopefully August 11th 2013
Departure Date - August 17th 2013
Port of Entry - Washington Dulles
Momo I hope you get the crazy CO because I don't want you to think that you only got through because you didn't get her. You get her and you show her who is the boss! Once you've done that you know that no silly official with an attitude can stand in your way if you have done your planning and you deserve what you want.
As for the drinks - yeah I'll drink one extra on your behalf!
ZukotheCat
Registered Users (C)
That is what I believe was the case, a time deposit account at the bank
I did not mean to create a big confusion
BTW it sounds so funny: 65.000 $ for immigrant purposes - they should consider re-naming "DV GC lottery" into "DV golden-platinum lottery for millionaires who want to become billionaires"
Britsimon
Super Moderator
Yep I know what it says.
However, in typical USCIS fashion, that point is contradicted. In fact, the I-134 isn't even supposed to be used for immigrant cases. Take a look at the link below.
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-12693/0-0-0-13496.html
The thing is they have two aos forms. In a case where it is required to have a sponsor (i.e. someone who will take responsibility for the immigrant) they use the 864. If that isn't required they use can sometimes use the I-134. For the DV cases all the selectee has to prove is that will not become a public charge - and it is possible to do that without a I-134. I am sure this is (mis)interpreted differently at consular offices around the world and there may be some consuls that have created their own "standard".
Britsimon
Super Moderator
A little more information and contradiction on the I-134. By the way I consider this to be the most accurate information. The form CAN be used for DV cases but is NOT legally binding on the sponsor other than the perjury aspect.
9 FAM 40.41 N5.6-3 Use of Form I-134, Affidavit of Support
(CT:VISA-1995; 06-06-2013)
a. Form I-134 may be requested by you in any case in which an alien is
inadmissible on public charge grounds, but where the I-864 is not required.
Section 213 of the INA (not section 213A) permits the admission of any alien
who is inadmissible on public charge grounds in the discretion of the Secretary
of the Department of Homeland Security or the Attorney General, by the
posting of a bond, or by another undertaking. The I-134 is considered to be
another such undertaking.
b. Because INA 212(a)(4)(C) and INA 213A require the use of Form I-864 for so
many classes of immigrants, the use of Form I-134, Affidavit of Support, has
been reduced considerably. Nevertheless, there still are circumstances when
Form I-134 will be beneficial. This affidavit, submitted by the applicant at your
request, is not legally binding on the sponsor and should not be accorded the
same weight as Form I-864. Form I-134 should be given consideration as one
form of evidence, however, in conjunction with the other forms of evidence
mentioned below.
c. If you determine that any of the following types of applicants need an Affidavit
of Support to meet the public charge requirement, they may use Form I-134,
as they are not authorized to use Form I-864 or I-864W:
(1) Returning resident aliens (SBs);
(2) Diversity visa applicants (DVs); and
(3) Fiancé(e)s (K1s or K3s)
9 FAM 40.41 N5.6-3 Use of Form I-134, Affidavit of Support
(CT:VISA-1995; 06-06-2013)
a. Form I-134 may be requested by you in any case in which an alien is
inadmissible on public charge grounds, but where the I-864 is not required.
Section 213 of the INA (not section 213A) permits the admission of any alien
who is inadmissible on public charge grounds in the discretion of the Secretary
of the Department of Homeland Security or the Attorney General, by the
posting of a bond, or by another undertaking. The I-134 is considered to be
another such undertaking.
b. Because INA 212(a)(4)(C) and INA 213A require the use of Form I-864 for so
many classes of immigrants, the use of Form I-134, Affidavit of Support, has
been reduced considerably. Nevertheless, there still are circumstances when
Form I-134 will be beneficial. This affidavit, submitted by the applicant at your
request, is not legally binding on the sponsor and should not be accorded the
same weight as Form I-864. Form I-134 should be given consideration as one
form of evidence, however, in conjunction with the other forms of evidence
mentioned below.
c. If you determine that any of the following types of applicants need an Affidavit
of Support to meet the public charge requirement, they may use Form I-134,
as they are not authorized to use Form I-864 or I-864W:
(1) Returning resident aliens (SBs);
(2) Diversity visa applicants (DVs); and
(3) Fiancé(e)s (K1s or K3s)
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I'm not the least surprised with the contradiction. My wife is screwed due to an error made by a CBP officer at the airport, and a CIS officer talked to us as if it's OUR fault for not noticing the error right away. The CIS lady almost made the situation worse by initially insisting that we pay $300+ to file a replacement with the CIS, which I know would be rejected anyway since it's the CBP's error. Then the next CBP officer made (in my opinion) another error in judgment, which puts my wife in sort of a limbo.
The level of professionalism shown by these agencies so far leaves a lot to be desired. The guy who wrote the instructions probably wasn't 100% correct either.
The level of professionalism shown by these agencies so far leaves a lot to be desired. The guy who wrote the instructions probably wasn't 100% correct either.
Britsimon
Super Moderator
Sorry to hear that - it sounds like a horrible mess - or SNAFU as they would call it. I don't think people realize the degree of chaos that is introduced by poorly informed people doing their jobs badly. We generally assume they are following the rules correctly and consistently - but that all too often is not the case.
One good thing you have is the right to appeal (as you are there already and doing aos). People who do CP and get a moron for a CO can find themselves unfairly treated with no right of appeal.
The CO that handled my visa application last year was a newbie. I literally knew more about the laws and regulations concerning my situation than he did. Stuff that I worried about he didn't even glance at, stuff that was a no-brainer he fretted about. I am counting my blessings that he didn't reject me simply because it was too complicated, and therefore too suspicious for him.
ZukotheCat
Registered Users (C)
And that is exactly why I would ask for the food stamps and not ask anyone to be my sponsor
sweet.persona
New Member
Hi to all
Hi to all
i see much Peopls Not understand us!! in The embassy Of algeria when you have The interview you put all the Documents + AFFIDAVIT OF SUPPORT , if you can not Get The sponsor I134 + Tax form , U CAN NEVER GET VISA , and i am not the first , you can ask Anyone from algeria , The sponsorship it is an (mandatory requirement)!!!!!
this requirement it is not in every country is it just in algeria and abit of countries !!
my Case Num 2014AFxxx23000
Hi to all
i see much Peopls Not understand us!! in The embassy Of algeria when you have The interview you put all the Documents + AFFIDAVIT OF SUPPORT , if you can not Get The sponsor I134 + Tax form , U CAN NEVER GET VISA , and i am not the first , you can ask Anyone from algeria , The sponsorship it is an (mandatory requirement)!!!!!
this requirement it is not in every country is it just in algeria and abit of countries !!
my Case Num 2014AFxxx23000
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Britsimon
Super Moderator
I can imagine they might have implemented a local rule like that BUT hypothetically speaking. If you owned your own business and could show savings of $200,000 plus other assets such as property, cars, stocks and shares and there was no doubt this money were available to you to settle in the USA. In that case, do you REALLY think they would still refuse the case for the lack of an I-134?
Maybe the U.S. Embassy in Algeria has learned not to trust paper financial documents from that country... Back in the days in my country there were ways to show a big amount of money in the bank for this purpose, even though you didn't actually have that kind of money. This would explain their insistence on a sponsor, because it's nearly impossible to toy with financial documents in USA, and they're counting on the sponsor not wanting to risk it.