please advice - when can i quit??

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MANILAL

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I got my green card in Sept 2002. Its almost 6 months now that I have the card. I am an engineer and want to quit my sponsoring company (I have been working with this company for 3.5 yrs now) and open a gas station.??

1. Would there be a problem since I wont be practicing engineering (they basis on which I was granted GC). If yes, does his mean that I have to practice engineering till i become a citizen?

2. What is a good time to quite (6 - 9 - 12 months?) after getting the GC?

Please advice.
 
MANILAL

Quit the sponsoring employer anytime after your labor and i-140 is cleared and you submit your finger prints for the I-485 at your local INS (BCIS) office.
If you read the eta 750a&b carefully it is clear that whatever

salary your employer claims to be offering is a formality,All that is needed is the CAPACITY of the employer to be able to pay that salary to that OFFERED position.The employee cCOULD be outside USA and can still get his passport stamped in his home country. The employer CAN sponsor with NO EMPLOYEES at allin under him during the whole gc PROCESS. He CAN sponsor (TECHNICALLY) 100 guys offering let us say $50000/year eventhough his company turnover is just $50000/yr only.He CAN sponsor 100 guys with one single ETA 750 a&b form(provided all those 100 guys have THE EXACT SAME qualification).Such is the simplicity and flexibility of the labor certifications.

Lawyers just manipulate the job reqs and employee qualifications(Off these qualifications should be on paper like college degrees,certificates from well known companieslike oracle certificates, cisco, microsoft, work exp etc.).

I have been in the us for 15 years got my gc in 1996 with my own filing not with a lawyer quit the sponsoring company 1 month before my passport was stamped.
I just got my us citizenship and I never had problems with that.

This 6 month rule is fictitious and is NOWHERE written in this whole world.Lawyers just made it up to scare us and squueeze money from us.

If that were the case I should have encountered at least one guy who was questioned by BCIS(INS) for quitting the job before whatever 6 or 3or2or1or7 months, as I have a hundred friends who quit their jobs at whatever 6 or 3or2or1or7 months depending on their individual circumstances.

USA has so many companies big and small. Many go bankrupt /shrink/expand dissappear after 1 year 2 years 30 years (Lucent,nortel,delta,american......).Employees come and go. It is the employer s RIGHT to hire whoever he wants, offcourse with proper paper work to support with.With no PROPER paper work even the best qualified guy gets his labor rejected.

People with excellent and exceptional qualifications had problems like labor rejections,delays/questioning in the whole gc/labor processes.I have seen it happening to some of my smart friends Guys with worthless qualifications and (sometimes with almost none). obtained their gc in the shortest amount ofthe time as they were sponsored by their friends companies who were his cousins and related by friends and did that as a favour to them.

That is the SAD part of the whole thing .
 
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You dont this stuff I'am sure .Show me a sentence that says employee has to stick around for 1 day 1 month, 6 months, 4 years SPECIFICALLY ANYWHERE IN THIS WORLD.It hurts me to practically see guys with no or least qualifications get their gc with sheer luck or a EXPERIENCED lawyer who knows how to MANIPULATE the job reqs and qualifications .Not a big deal BCIS(INS) looks at papers not at the practical things.Thats how BCIS(INS) works so SAD.

No matter how exceptional one or how worthless one is BCIS(INS) questions job reqs&qualificatios comparing against the OFFERED salary. It never raises if it is paid.MANIPULATION MANIPULATION MANIPULATION...... Thats all it is for gcs,labors.

I personally know guys from asian degrees getting gc in less than18 months during 1994 itself.AT the same TIME I also know guys with PHDs from reputed american universities struggling to get through labor for years. SADSADSADSADSADSAD..

I have myself used a small OPACITY certification from a state in USA to clear my labor ALL by myself. That certufication is such a small thing any body can get it for FREE.

Now two years before I paid $3000 to a lazy lawyer who put my masters qualification in ETA750a@b form and In got 50 resumes and my labor was rejected . I lost 2 years atleast.

I challenged the very lawyer that I'am going to clear the Labor all by myself and I did in almost two years.
That lawyer had scared me that my case is complicated and so and so forth just to squueze some more thousands of dollars.

I however sympathize with a lot of my friends who were exceptional in knowledge that they working in and losing precious time in convincing the BCIS(INS) for their labor and gcs.A small smoke reading certificate that pays $10/hr and a oracle certificate that pays $50/hr is the SAME to BCIS(INS). So SADSADSADSAD.

THat is BCIS(INS)
 
Companies change a lot in a matter of months days. An employee can be hired and fired by acompany for so many reasons the prime one being the DEMAND . What if the employer gets another new guy willing to work for less than the employee who got sponsored for a gc(and gotten a gc).Should the employer keep the gc employee for 6 months and LOOSE money as things have changed.I dont get it at all.

Again these lawyers are MANIPULATORS (90% are the BEST).Otherwise how could so many of my friends struggle to clear their labor for years when at the same time guys with practically NO qualifications cleared gcs in less than 2 years?.One has to get a GOOD lawyer(MANIPULATOR) to clear labor/gc. Thats all to it.

6 months rule is NON EXISTANT, FICTITIOUS . Again these Lawyers(MANIPULATORS ) created it to scare us and squeeze money from us.

It is the EMPLOYERS prerogorative to hire and fire employees no matter who they are gcs/citizens/whatever.

BCIS(INS) HAS only eyes no heart and no brain. It CAN read but has no feelings.Proper DOCUMENTATION is what is needed for a labor NOT enything else fro the BCIS.

SO SAD Thart is the way BCIS acts.
 
I'am NOT stating rumors but FACTS.During the 1994s I had dozens of friends who cleared labors successfully and UNSUCESSFULLY. I know them from years.

I know lawyers are rude NOT polite MOST of the time 6 months rule is FICTITIOUS made by those lawyers to GET more importance from their clients and if possible they DREAM of more money from their clients.

Idont trust them ther have sinister motives even the best of the lawyers.I still want from anyone a properr proof/ststement/documentation from anywhere in tghis world in LETTERS/WRITING NOT verbal fictitious statement. Then I'll believe that. I DDO NOT care what someone INFERS from something. GC process is not a FRAUD at all once it is approved.BCIS(INS) EVALUATES EVERYTHING PERIOD.They take a lot of time even in early 1990s they used to take months to check/evaluate all the DOCUMENTATION during the labor process.

Unfortunately some times worth less guys get gcs with a stroke of luck. NOBODY can clear labor/gc through deceipt. That is the SAD part of this gc process.BCIS(INS) DOES understand its own policies real well and they take decisions based on them.
 
Yap I do know all the details as we almost had similar qualifications and worked for similar areas. I knew them for years.We used to discuss how adamant the BCIS(INS )is. As I said Bcis looks at the paper work strictly and it might require a few explanations to plug ones qualifications in the qualifications part of the eta a&b(it took me a few months to to that) when it is at the local labor dept stage.

Once that is accomplished it is all done . There will be resumes received in response for the job ad and that stuff. Technically fewer resumes the better (But again even one applicant can killthe whole labor process).

What I'am saying is eta a&b at the local labor stage is the most CRITICAL stage of the whole labor/gc process, the rest being a mere formality.Job offer especially salaries are are attested by these lawyers just to satisfy the labor dept. As almost all companies have a turnover of atleast of $100000/yr and a typical master guy in US makes far less than that.Basically Lawyers CAN attest the salary part of the eta a&b form and I BELIEVE that is their legal right. I bet most employers dont even know what salary that they offered for that JOB offer whom they are sponsoring exactly.

The whole process of labor is just to test the labor market an dthis is being done by defining the job description as complicated as possible and PLUGGING the job requirements that suits the sponsored guys qualification.

Like I said guys with much less qualification like with simple degrees from asian countries sometimes have gone through the labor/gc. The sad part of this all is guys with superior qualification sometimes HAVE NOT made it. The is is so RIDICULOUS and SAD.
 
Thats EXACTLY MY POINT.eta a&b package HAS all the details READ IT. It is just a JOB OFFER by the sponsoring employee in the real sense OFFER.The ABILITY to pay what ever is CLAIMED on the eta a&b form is the CRITERIA. Unfortunately it NEED not be paid.

Even if the comopany goes bankrupt(CEASES to EXIST) AFTER the ability to pay the sponsored employee is prooved(normally done by profit/loss statements, bank balances of the company, companies employees pay stubs so on and so forthand other financial compant documents about I really dont have thorough knowledge, not a big deal as anybody can proove that their turnover is equal or greater than the OFFERED salary to the sponsored employee)/I140 stage THE SPONSORED employee gets his gc.

Now this 6 month rule HAS been fabricated by these lawyers just for some sinister motives perhaps to claim how PRECIOUS their work is . I dont know. I really dont trust these magnificient MANIPULATORS.

My point is show me that 6 month rule in LETTERS WRITTEN ANYWHERE in this WHOLE WORLD I'll accept that it is true.

Dont infer something from something and give a statement.

This gc process is just RIDICULOUS witha lot of PROPER DOCUMENTATION andd MANIPULATION that is absulutely necessary and is COMMON for BOTH extremely qualified and POORELY qualified people.

That is so SAD.
 
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Labor and I-140 ia a GC for all practical purposes. Even if the sponsoring company closes down becomes bankrupt. That is a *real fact*.

The rule of the THUMB is meaningless to practicality makes no sense to me as long as it is NOT found WRITTEN in the LAW BOOKS of IMMIGRATION from the labor dept or the BCIS(INS).

I DINT NEED a LAWYER at all for my labor/gc. I have still cleared the labor/gc process all by myself so did some of ny friends WITHOUT a LAWYER some of them at the first attempt. Atleast I wasted by going through a lawyer for the first time and learnt by exp.

I'am NOT saying guys should NOT go through a lawyer for gc/labor.I 'am also not saying guys who do are not IDIOTS and who do not are IDIOTS.That is irrelevant. However I'am a normal person who learnt the simple MANIPULATIVE process of clearing the LABOR/GC by raeding the eta750a&b forms /packages.

One may need a lawyer for so many purposes but labor/gc CAN be dealt with some friends exp and some reading and a friendly employer(as it is the employers prerogative to hire/fire an employee no matter if he is being sponsored for a gc, or is on h1 or is a american citizen depending the availability of cheaper alternative).

Employer gives us a gc we dont demand it .If the employer is not ready to process the labor/gc nobody can help you even the best of the lawyers.And again it is the give and take policy between the employer and the sponsored employee.6 or 2 or 4 or whatever months rule can only be demanded by the EMPLOYER EVEN that I DOUBT that after the I-485 is approved.that is my inference even though I sincerely doubt even that.
 
There is no way anyone can proove or disproove this intent.This intent is also reflects that it is the EMPLOYERS prerogative to sponsor a gc to the employee according to his/companies needs. mainly to save money by getting cheaper/easier/convenient/quicker labor.

As I said even the employer cannot hardly do anything if an employee quits as soon as he gets his gc. The employee can cite numerous reasons like headache/illhealth/loss of interest for work and all sorts of reasons just like an (some)american CAN do if he doesnt want to work period.

If th employer is cooperative towards the employee he himself CAN cite cheaper/easier/convenient/quicker labor that has become available as a reason for letting go the sponsored employee after the gc.

I personally many a company whose owners gets guys from an asian country at their will and wish on h1 and sponsors for gcs. That way he imports cheaper/asier/convenient/quicker labor in USA from abroad. Technically that is exactly what this Labor/gcs are for.

After the I-140 NOWHERE is the employers information is asked for .What do you think about that ?Therefor I-140/Labor is gc for all practical purposes . That is why BCIS(INS) has the option of I-765 the work permit at the time of applying I-485
for the employee.

Actually this gc/labor is a burning issue ,the way it isimplemented. Go readd the immigration related letters at this site

http://congress.org/congressorg/home/
 
This site good or bad official or not but the letters are real from disgrunted americans . I'am NOT supporting anyone either immigrants or the born american citizens.

The gc/labor laws are highly towards the immigrants so that companies CAN save money by getting cheaper/convenient/easier/quicker labor.It is not a FRAUD it is MANIPULATION and PROPER DOCUMENTATION that is what BCIS accepts. As I said even sun micro has been sued lately.If you DONT GET this simple fact go get some help.

I have better things to do than convincing you. I'am ending this argument.
 
It is NOT a stupid fight. Just waited to post a real case that makes sense to you and all those ATTORNEYS who are scaring people about this simple gc/labor/I-140 process.This is nothing but a way to hire easy/cheap/convenient labor for the US employers and is almost employer necessitated.

Nothing wrong with the whole process. IF rules are what you and these attorneys say then this gc process loosses ots UTILITY of
easy/cheap/convenient labor for the US employers that is becoming available to them because of this whole gc process.

I DO have a life you go get a life with some proper logic in your thoughts.
 
No The BCIS is NOT checking the employees status AFTER the GC approval/I-485 approval anyone.

Also there is no LAW written as to what is the INTENT means as far as working with the employer after the gc . IT IS THEEMPLOYERS WORLD PERION. I do have a life with the us citizenship. DONT tell me to what to get.
 
Yes If you show me an employers case in trouble after letting the sponsored gc employee with mutual agreement just after the gc approval I will accept my defeat. I agree all 100 mph speeding guys may not get caught but atleast 1 guy is caught OCCASIONALLY. Show this my challenge show me an employee/employer in deep trouble after quitting as soon as he gets the gc approval.
 
Atleast I MANAGED to show a case from this forum and YOU agreed that it prooves my point.

Now dont create a fictitious case as you are with the INTENT RULE.

I do have a life for your information You get that good NOW.
 
That means there is no cure for your problem in this whole world.No one can cure your ailment. Still you dont get it I have a wonderful life as a US CITIZEN that too without a lawyer being necessary in my whole life.
 
It is so simple . If BCIS ASKS/CHECKS for the sponsored employee's paychecks, ATLEAST one, JUST ONE simple paycheck(need NOT be the one on the OFFER on the eta 750a&b, atleast a nominal which could be MUCH MUCH lesser than the one on the job offer onthe eta 750a&b) THEN BCIS INTENT rule means STAYING with the employer for THAT 1 pay period.

You infer that 6 months HOW and WHY.NOBODY asks for the PROOF. No where is the period of stay is mentioned in letter.

I doubt If ,Even the sponsoring employee REVOKING the gc once it is approved as of, with the present rules. Before the I-140 stage I believe it is POSSIBLE But after the I-485 and 6 months of applying that I-485 there nothing anyone can do to stop the gc.AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
 
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