Passport vs. "Passprt Card"

Ladybuggy

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I just read the FAQ on the travel.org website and it looks like to apply for a Passport first. Make it expedited and then that way you get your Natz Certificate faster back and after that apply for your card if you want to with your Passport because I read that you can't send your application for the card in by express mail or expedited and it takes 4-6 weeks to get it. So you are for 4-6 weeks without Natz Certificate.

Here are some of the points I am talking about.

Can I apply for the passport card and passport book at the same time using the same application?

Yes.

How long will it take to receive a passport card?

Once the passport card is being produced, the processing and issuance time will be the same as for the passport book. For instance, the current turnaround time for routine service passports is 4 to 6 weeks. Up-to-date processing times are located at http://travel.state.gov.

Can an applicant request the $60 expedited service for the passport card?

Expedited service is not available for the passport card at this time. Once we begin producing the passport card, we anticipate being able to offer applicants expedited service.

Can an applicant request overnight return delivery service for the passport card?

Neither overnight return delivery service nor Priority Mail service will be available for the passport card. Passport cards will be mailed to applicants using First Class Mail service.

Can the passport card be used to apply for the passport book?

Yes.

The rest of the FAQ you can find here http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3921.html
 
I think getting this passport card is a good idea. I read in a topic about CIS detaining/deporting citizens.

If you have this in your wallet, you should be golden :)
 
Yea but it takes longer so they also hold on longer to your Natz Certificate and I just don't trust anyone with it.
They won't pay the money to replace it ! So I think I rather do the Passport expedited first. And then use my Passport to get the Card
 
I personally never carried my Green Card with me out of fear of my purse/wallet being stolen and I have to pay a bunch of money to replace it and all the hassle with it.
It is in an envelope in my Safety Box at home and I said I rather pay my fee of not carrying it with me than the fee to replace it.
Ontop of that. In the 7 years I have had my GC I was NEVER ask for my Green Card.
 
WEll, considering it would only be $20 or so versus a few hundred...I'll gladly carry this...

cheaper than my drivers license...:D

Edit: I made a copy of my GC and have it in my wallet.
 
I never carried my GC, but I would gladly carry the passport card, especially in light of the stories I've been reading recently about US citizens being held and then having a hard time proving citizenship as the ICE agents just don't believe you.

If people that are born here in the US are having a hard time, I could just imagine how difficult it would be for someone that wasn't born here.
 
Though I agree with some of you I am not sure once you have passport, why you would also need card. Card is only for land/sea travel to neighboring countries.

If ICE stops asks you for proof, they do give you time to produce the proof. Some of the cases I read are due to fact that US born citizens that did not have passport nor birth certificate. Then it is hard to prove anything unless ICE agents do search birth records (Which they may or may not search for you)

If you are worried, why not keep passport number and details with you all the time. ICE agents will have access to passport details and they can search by number and match name on passport with name on driver license or any such ID.

BTW, cost for card is $45 for first time applicants, not a big deal but not $20
 
BTW, cost for card is $45 for first time applicants, not a big deal but not $20

From the FAQ, it says:

"Adults with fully-valid passports issued within the last fifteen years can apply for the card by mail using Form DS-82, at a cost of $20."

I think the $45 is for people that don't already have a passport.
 
If ICE stops asks you for proof, they do give you time to produce the proof.

In one story I read, the detainee did have a birth certificate, but none of their relatives knew that the person was detained until a reporter wrote about the story and then a relative was able to bring the birth certificate.

The impression I got is that once they detain you, you have very limited rights

I realize that being detained is probably an EXTREMELY rare situation, but in this day and age, it's a bit scary and I know I wouldn't want to be in that kind of situation.
 
Dumb question but what is exactly or who is exactly ICE. I have heard it before but still don't really know about them.
How do they come in place and when do they "detain" you and why and so forth.
 
ICE = Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

I believe it is the investigative arm of the DHS as it related to Immigration

ICE + USCIS = all things immigration related.

somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.ice.gov/

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From the FAQ, it says:
"Adults with fully-valid passports issued within the last fifteen years can apply for the card by mail using Form DS-82, at a cost of $20."
I think the $45 is for people that don't already have a passport.

You are right, it is $20 if you have passport (or request it along with passport the first time)

http://www.ice.gov/
ICE is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They are the investigative arms of USCIS and lot of other departments.
 
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