Overstayed (Visa Waiver) EU Citizen want to leave

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4besthope

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As a minor, what does that mean if you overstay your visa waiver? I am attending a private high school, and pay full tution, I would like to go back to my country and apply for a student visa for finishing (private) high school. The main reason, I have became out of status, is that my dad's company have not arrange my paper, and when I did found out it was to late. I have a sponsor and can show prove to pay for school and living.
 
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How long have you overstayed for? Overstaying VWP by just one day means that you can no loner use VWP to enter the USA. If you leave and want to come back to the US then you will have to apply for your own visa (usually a B1/2 visa). However, people from VWP countries find it very difficult to get these visa unless you are no longer of working age.....having an overstay will hinder the chances of such a visa further.
If you have over stayed by more than 180 days then you are subject to a 3 year ban. An overstay of more than 360 days equals a 10 year ban.
There is no way to get around these consequences....they are practically set in stone.
You mention that you want to apply for a visa from your own country. What visa are you thinking about.....if it is a visa such as a K1, then an overstay of less than 180 days should not hold any negative impacts. More detail is needed about your case/future US plans in order to answer your question more thoroughly and accurately.
 
Thnaks for your reply. I know it will be difficult to come bck to USA .... but living with all fears and anti-immigrant rethoric is very difficult.

In case of a minor (child), will it be possible to go back to Europe (EU-West Europe) and apply for a student visa?
 
4besthope said:
Thnaks for your reply. I know it will be difficult to come bck to USA .... but living with all fears and anti-immigrant rethoric is very difficult.

In case of a minor (child), will it be possible to go back to Europe (EU-West Europe) and apply for a student visa?
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Children are forgiven overstaying but once they become 18 years old, after 6 month illegal presence starts to amount
 
Sue,

Many Thanks and Happy New Year.
I am glad to hear that there is a possibility that children are forgiven, as my oldest will finish high school next year and my youngest within 2 year. Till now I am fortunate to have them on a 'private' school so at least avoid being accused of using tax money. But as our savings are drying out and it's very dificult to work without the right documentation, I am planning to go back and work and send them money so they can finish there high school and hopefully apply for a study visa.
Of course I am worry when I going to see them again, being a visa waiver overstayer?
What will happen, if I show up at the airport, wanting to leave back?
I am blessed with a very trusted American family that will take care of my children.

In fact I am quite desperate .... but we need to survive!
 
Sorry to hear about your stresses. Its obvious that youre experiencing some difficult times.
There is nothing stopping you from leaving the States- you would just depart in the same way that all foreign nationals would leave the country. There are no immigration check points when you depart....the only procedure that takes place is the removal of your 1-94w from your passport (and at some airports, the stamping of your ticket to show you have handed in your slip). These are just done by airline officials and nothing to do with immigration. The only problem that you will encounter would be if you attempted to return back to the States on the VWP.
 
elcupacabras,

Many thanks for taking the time sending me feedback. In fact what I am learning is that it doesn't make a difference spending money consulting a lawyer, in this case.
 
susan ward said:
Children are forgiven overstaying but once they become 18 years old, after 6 month illegal presence starts to amount
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Grrr what are the kids after 18 years old suppose to do? Go home? I was thinking its 10 days? But 6 months is good, they shouldn't count that on kids. Because I was there at one time, I had no place to go back home, no one. Its very hard at a young age to go threw all of that. Kids are the future, they should ask the kid if he wants to stay in the US or not. And just give it to them, not require him to have 4 years of college and what not, Can't work legaly? Or get loans and what not. Its BS if you ask me.
 
Indeed, the discussion is heavily emotional and people that own the media power tend to (mis) use it, positioning their own agenda.
In the meantime we need to survive as honest descent people and not loose our dignity.
My focus is to have my 2 kids finish high school, which I fully pay, so I can not be accuse using any tax payers money. After high school I am pretty sure they will be able to go to college. Once they finish that, I can finally have my peace and rest.
It's going to be very very difficult not knowing when I will be able to see them again, as they are everything I live for.
 
i was illegaly in the US for 15 years. used tax payers money. i don't think it will make a big deal by going to public school. i was in both types of schools and i hated private schools. i know they can work legaly if they apply for some types of papers u know? getting married is best way. they might reject there student visa. since both parents are in the US. i am not 100% sure but i've read storys about it. they might say oh you lived in the US and now left and try to get a student visa. who knows. its messed up. when i got pulled off by boarder patrol. those guys understood me so well it was unreal. they treated me like a king and very good! even told me i'd be fine and what to tell the judge. no lies! not all ins people are bad thats for sure. i can't even get an app. at the US embassy here. hoply i can get a job there :) hehehehe
 
I fully understand what you mean, as it is quite uncertain, what the future will bring for us, having no basic rights here. Many things change after 9/11 as well as the stereotyping of immigrants.
I have all my European OR nursing diploma's, 20 years of experience, etc. even help educate American doctors back home, and still I will not be allowed to work in this country. Quite frustrated.
But I focus on my children, and the reason they are on a private school is to spare them the Humiliation, in todays poison environment.
Desperate Mom
 
9/11 is used for everything these days in america, gas going up 9/11. problems with immigrants 9/11. people losing jobs 9/11. houses being taken away from banks 9/11. my dog chasing a cat 9/11. <--- i swear its getting to that point. everytime i hear something related to 9/11 i just laugh. they use that for everything. and it sucks big time! immigrants i never had a problem with, u need everyone in this world. you need china for walmart, you need mexico for food, you need canada for whatever reasons. you need germany (autos), africa for diamonds, india for cheap labors, list goes on etc. we all need one another, its how it use to be 200 years ago, people would trade from africa for goods. nothing has changed really. 20 year is a long time. been 17 years in north america. unless the US badly needs you they don't care. sucks you do so much for this world and get nothing in return. whats funny to me is that when you do something bad its on your record, but helping an old lady cross the street is not, anything good you do will never be there unless its in the news paper! or you get a metal/award for it. or a thank you letter by the city or goverment. am also from an EU country Luxembourg. anyways with 20 years of experience, and perfect spelling you got. you wouldn't of had a problem to get a green card to work int he US. because nursing is needed big time.
 
Mike,
The problem of USA is that they want you to do your full education again. That’s why skilled people do not (want to) apply, and the US stick with the un-educated people winning greencards.
Anyhow, I am from a close country neighbor of Luxembourg…. Where it’s common to speak English and they are quite US friendly. In fact there are quite some illegal Americans over there, but fortunately we treat them with respect and dignity.
I know people working for an US based food and beverage company over there, the common language is English, it pays reasonable (incl. health and pension plan). I also understand there is a heavy demand for truck drivers. If you want I can initiate contact.
 
hahahah illegal americans in europe? hahahahha sorry this is way to funny!!!!! well sh*t i'd like to get an un-educated greencard! man illegal americans in Europe oh man thats way to funny. honestly u know people call me american here and i am a refugee in my own country almost because i don't even speak lux! trying to get a job and all. man i really am not used to living here in europe. i try to make the best of it but my mind gets to me. i knew illegal people in the US mexican and all types of people. i always treated them with respect they are all people. i should go to the US embassy and say hey look a few illegal americans are here. how about this, i give you my citizenship in trade for the US illegals here? :) that be GREAT! u know everyone trades, everyone gets what they want and voila! but nooooo! be nice if they had a trade like that, if u can support your self they just deport you. i would be set for life if i was back in the US!


Truck Drivers? I got my CDL, i just took in my drivers ID yesterday here in lux, i am waiting 2 weeks for an answer on just my drivers, and for my trucking i have to take a road test. i know here in lux it pays double from other countrys in europe. i am not settling down for a job that pays paycheck to paycheck. thats for sure! cause if my life is going to be paycheck to paycheck i'll be stuck here forever! i'd do that in the US but not here. at least i'd be more happy over there you know? am not settling for anything less then 2,000 euros a month. the only english country i know of in europe is UK. its okay you don't have to tell me what one you are from. at times i feel as if eyes are watching us and seeing what we are up to.

also i've read that some people come illegaly into the country, and get a SS#. then work and so on. no one bugs them, even if they get pulled over by the cops. as long as they got a drivers ID and not wanted, and speak good english *like i* there are no problems. i've gotten so many speeding tickets in my younger years. the cops won't do anything. as for working with a SS# and paying taxes for many years, they won't care as long as they are getting something from what i have been reading. also after they work your kids might meet a loved on and get married and voila. chance to stay. judge will see that they went to school. wasn't there fault, got a job, married, paid tax. and they can stay? not to sure on this one cause i've read some storys where people were even deported and some stay. just got to know the laws and how everything works 150%. also money will be needed to do all of this.

whats scary is i meet a lady here in lux and she was in the US illegaly for 36 yrs. they won't let her back in. this is very scary she also left on her own but can't get back in and has been 9 years since she left. i'm kind of worried i'll be stuck here forever. away from everyone i knew. so trust me i know what you guys are going threw. i hate when people say wait for the laws to change. the laws are never in our favor. thats for sure.
 
As a world traveller I can tell you that there are lots and lots of Illegal Americans (and Europeans) all over the world esp in English speaking countries like Britain, Canada, Australia and N.Zealand and most certainly in other parts of Europe, Africa & Asia, living freely without any questions being asked. The single most reason why no one bothers them is that none of these countries offer the American Dream and the reason why so many are clamouring to come here. Can anyone disgaree that nowhere in the world can you change your life so dramatically in a short period of time as you can in America?
 
bengaltiger said:
As a world traveller I can tell you that there are lots and lots of Illegal Americans (and Europeans) all over the world esp in English speaking countries like Britain, Canada, Australia and N.Zealand and most certainly in other parts of Europe, Africa & Asia, living freely without any questions being asked. The single most reason why no one bothers them is that none of these countries offer the American Dream and the reason why so many are clamouring to come here. Can anyone disgaree that nowhere in the world can you change your life so dramatically in a short period of time as you can in America?
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I don't disagree with you at all. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!
 
America is the country of opportunities, in principe regardless of race, age, gender ......
Of course this could give some tension as you will have people winning greencards without having the proper basics to survive in America..... but then again compare with their former situation it's better. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!
 
bengaltiger said:
As a world traveller I can tell you that there are lots and lots of Illegal Americans (and Europeans) all over the world esp in English speaking countries like Britain, Canada, Australia and N.Zealand and most certainly in other parts of Europe, Africa & Asia, living freely without any questions being asked. The single most reason why no one bothers them is that none of these countries offer the American Dream and the reason why so many are clamouring to come here. Can anyone disgaree that nowhere in the world can you change your life so dramatically in a short period of time as you can in America?
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Yes I can disagree. The UK.
America is a wonderful country that indeed offers many opportunities, but I dont want to have to play devils advocate but unfortunately I dont agree with the whole 'American Dream'. It is just what it says it is. A dream- something that is unattainable by the working poor. I for one can't wait to get to America as thats where my fiance is, but I am terrified at the move. One of my biggest fears is getting sick and not being able to afford medical care. This is something that has never crossed my mind here as I would never be in this situation. Im also worried about finding a job, and when I get a job, lack of job security- also the longer working hours, lack of vacation days. No time to enjoy this 'dream'. I know youre talking about immigrants from poorer countries than myself, but what the US has to offer is no different than the other English speaking countries that you mentioned (and I say this also as a world traveller with a HUGE love for the USA). Many immigrants (most of which are illegal) to the UK are set up in houses (fully furnished) and paid weekly benefits until they find work. Madness I know, but it happens (much to the anger of many British citizens). Polish immigrants come over to the UK, and can claim child benefit for their children that are living IN POLAND. So they have a family back home, yet the UK taxpayers are paying for their children in a different country.These benefits alone are worth more on an annual basis than your average annual Polish wage. If this isnt a 'dramatic change of life in a short period of time' then I dont know what is. Could this be then classed as the 'UK dream'?
Don't get me wrong, I love America and Im counting down the days until I am able to make the move this summer, but there are other countries out there that offer equally, if not better opportunities to immigrants than the US.
 
the american dream was yrs ago now no more. I had my company in Canada. I can make it in US or Canada. Here in europe i'm learning more as I go along day by day.

funny you say polish people and UK. cause its all they do. they all go to UK to work there and what not tons of them here in luxembourg. can't find a job easily cause they don't speak anything but polish. but the polish embassy helps them find jobs from word of mouth no bull!

i'd have to say best countries in the world are AMERICAN! #1 and always (incase you INS people are reading jk jk) lol. Canada but there arn't to many jobs out there just in Alberta, LUX. :) UK. AUSSI. i would have to say are the best to live in. oh and swiss. :)

If your smart you can make it any where in this world. At times you might need money also in some countries. But in the US just a bright idea. I just miss the US cause its where i grew up. i 150% sure i'd make it in the US if i was back. i already did in canada. the opportunitie is all over the world. if you know how to do things, then you will be set for life. :)

Mikes.
 
I am Indian. I studied in France & Italy and lived in London for many, many years, 27 yrs in total in the west. I have "made it" in every country I have lived in. I love Britain dearly and it is very close to my heart but the opportunities that the USA offers is head and shoulders above every country, bar none. I have had an office in London now for 17 yrs and I travel there frequently and let me assure that it is far easier to own and operate a business in America than it is in the UK. Here we can do everything online and over the phone whereas in England you have to do a lot of business face to face. Things are changing now, slowly and all these countries are following America's lead and businesses are learning to stay open late and run more efficiently but they still have "late night Thurs" for stores that are open until 8 pm and close everyday at 6 pm. You want office supplies? You must leave your work during office hours and go shop. You want to incorporate your company? You must hire an expensive attorney. Try doing it online like we do in America for $99. You want to open a bank account in a major bank? You must be introduced by someone who already has an account at that bank, you can't just walk in and open an account. Americans don't take off en masse for a month long vacation in the summer either so it is business as usual 24/7 all day, everyday here. I am telling you all this from personal experience. Don't get me wrong! I love the UK & European lifestyle, it's innovations and the quality of life is higher in the UK & Europe and you have a great life there if you can afford it. But unless you are minting money you cannot eat steak everyday but in America an average person can eat steak every single day. Next time you go to the UK or Europe visit the grocery store and see what people are buying. One pork chop or one apple and a yogurt. No one is buying 16 pcs of chicken. The USA offers the highest work opportunities in the world and not just for the poor. Nationalised health? I am all for it, no one said America is perfect! But don't forget to mention that many middle class people in the UK have some private health coverage on top of the public one so that they can get better treatment when it matters.

In the UK and Europe your opportunities depend on who you know but in the USA it depends on what you can do and that's a fact. Because England has always been a world centre for tourists and businesses and the Brits are used to hiring people for personal services because of their colonial heritage there are a lot of opportunities for even non English speaking immigrants from Eastern Europe especially since they no longer need visas. The only thing stopping them from immigrating here is due to the visa situation. If the USA opened its doors like the UK, you know as well as I do that the majority of those immigrants would be here. Many European grad students even from countries like France and Italy cannot find decent jobs in their own countries without a recommendation from someone. All of these people have been flocking to England for jobs for years and there are many jobs at every level there, that is indisputable, but few of them will make $100,000 after just 5 yrs of grunt work. There is a class distinction in the UK and Europe and after a certain point it is not easy to break through. However, in the USA there is less of a class barrier and it is much easier to cross that hurdle and jump to the next bracket not just financially but also socially. If we are talking only about the basic things in life, the American Dream absolutely exists where everyone even with minimal education can dream of owning a home and a car and feeding and educating their kids and you can have it all but in Europe, if all things are equal, you have to choose amongst those things, you can't have it all and when you do it will have taken you twice as long as is takes in the US.

So in conclusion my choice is to work in America for the wonderful opportunities to make money and retire in the UK or Europe for the quality of life you get with being closer to your fellow human beings, delicious organic food grown in small farms and the art and culture that you have the time to savour and live the Dolce Vita - the sweet life!
 
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