OT: Who deleted "abbreviations" thread
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woodenshoe101
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Oi, it was there yesterday. (I had a bookmark to it that stopped working, then "refound" it yesterday, and now that link is dead, too
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Maybe the crab people took over one of the moderator's bodies?
(we can probably piece together a new list)
)Maybe the crab people took over one of the moderator's bodies?
(we can probably piece together a new list)
talkingtac
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This might be sacrilegious, but here's an abbreviation list from another forum that I've found:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17659
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17659
JohnnyCash
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I've deleted that sticky thread, not only from this green card forum but also from citizenship forum. Why? I don't feel/think that every single important information should be sticky as a separate thread; otherwise this entire board would be full of all kind of sticky threads and nothing else because pretty much everything is important to those who are going thru immigration process.
However, I'm not saying that some information (like the ones in that sticky thread) wasn't/aren't useful and helpful for everyone especially new-comers, but there is a difference between making every single important information to be sticky as a separate thread or put that important/useful/helpful information with other sticky thread(s) which is/are relevant to such kind of information. This way all these kinds of important/useful information wouldn't be floating around everywhere on this board as sticky; rather they will be stored and compiled at one place where they should be.
There is no need to make every single important information as a new and separate sticky thread. Besides, new-comers will sail thru all the sticky threads anyway which will relevant to their journey. That means they will come to know about all important information anyway which are contained at one place.
That being said, I've merged that important posting with almost every sticky threads on this forum, and also added with some sticky threads on the citizenship forum. Check this particular thread below wherein this information is on the top and can be updated anytime to add something new to it. But don't delete that posting; otherwise the whole thread would be deleted itself.
http://immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=282291
I just found out that someone has deleted a sticky thread from the citizenship forum even though that sticky thread has been around for more than 2 years. I can contact the administrator of this site to let them know what's going on here, and then it's up the administrator to decide how to handle this situation. I didn't delete important information entirely as someone has deleted a sticky thread from the citizenship forum, rather I just merged/copied the said posting to some relevant sticky threads on this forum and citizenship forum.
Further, if someone's intention is good and to help others than personal then it shouldn't be a matter to that person as to where those information are put to so long they are sticky somewhere. I've been providing valuable/helpful and important information on this board for years, but I've never asked my postings to be sticky nor I made those postings as sticky. If all those postings are placed as sticky then whole forum could have been filled with sticky threads. Thus, it's important to merge the important (only important ones) threads/postings to relevant sticky thread(s) than floating them around as stickys...
However, I'm not saying that some information (like the ones in that sticky thread) wasn't/aren't useful and helpful for everyone especially new-comers, but there is a difference between making every single important information to be sticky as a separate thread or put that important/useful/helpful information with other sticky thread(s) which is/are relevant to such kind of information. This way all these kinds of important/useful information wouldn't be floating around everywhere on this board as sticky; rather they will be stored and compiled at one place where they should be.
There is no need to make every single important information as a new and separate sticky thread. Besides, new-comers will sail thru all the sticky threads anyway which will relevant to their journey. That means they will come to know about all important information anyway which are contained at one place.
That being said, I've merged that important posting with almost every sticky threads on this forum, and also added with some sticky threads on the citizenship forum. Check this particular thread below wherein this information is on the top and can be updated anytime to add something new to it. But don't delete that posting; otherwise the whole thread would be deleted itself.
http://immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=282291
I just found out that someone has deleted a sticky thread from the citizenship forum even though that sticky thread has been around for more than 2 years. I can contact the administrator of this site to let them know what's going on here, and then it's up the administrator to decide how to handle this situation. I didn't delete important information entirely as someone has deleted a sticky thread from the citizenship forum, rather I just merged/copied the said posting to some relevant sticky threads on this forum and citizenship forum.
Further, if someone's intention is good and to help others than personal then it shouldn't be a matter to that person as to where those information are put to so long they are sticky somewhere. I've been providing valuable/helpful and important information on this board for years, but I've never asked my postings to be sticky nor I made those postings as sticky. If all those postings are placed as sticky then whole forum could have been filled with sticky threads. Thus, it's important to merge the important (only important ones) threads/postings to relevant sticky thread(s) than floating them around as stickys...
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JC,
I agree in principle with your comments about sticky proliferation, but in this instance I have to say that abbreviations are so embedded in the language of the forum that having that one thread sticky seemed like a sensible option.
I'm sorry if my making it sticky offended you, but I'm more sorry that you decided just to nuke it without further discussion. The merge however, was probably a good idea.
boatbod.
I agree in principle with your comments about sticky proliferation, but in this instance I have to say that abbreviations are so embedded in the language of the forum that having that one thread sticky seemed like a sensible option.
I'm sorry if my making it sticky offended you, but I'm more sorry that you decided just to nuke it without further discussion. The merge however, was probably a good idea.
boatbod.
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PraetorianXI
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I am staying out of this. But I think there has been a surge of moderators in this sub-forum, which presents a "good" problem.
We should not be "un-doing" what other Mods are working on without contacting them first. And if matters need to be discussed, they should be "amongst ourselves".
Visit this area, if you have not already: http://www.immigrationportal.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2
We should not be "un-doing" what other Mods are working on without contacting them first. And if matters need to be discussed, they should be "amongst ourselves".
Visit this area, if you have not already: http://www.immigrationportal.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2
TheRealCanadian
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An excellent idea.
JohnnyCash
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Boatbod,
I wasn't offended nor it was about ME or anyone else. Plus, I've not said that the information in that sticky thread wasn't sensible/important/useful; instead it's about placing important information at one place as a way of compling them altogether. We cannot and should not make every single important/sensible information as sticky by creating a new and different thread; otherwise this whole board would be only about sticky threads than anything else.
The best way to handle useful/sensible/important/helpful information is merging them with a sticky thread which is more relevant to that kind of information, which would be looked at by new-comers anyway. This has been the way on this entire board ever since. There is not one single thread on any forum of this board which became a sticky just because of one posting alone except adminstrator/Operator ones...Nobody has done that nor anyone has ever posted the very same thread as sticky on two different forums of this board which was the case yesterday when that thread was posted at citizenship forum as well. I can understand that it was informative, but I don't think it could help much to those who are applying for citizenship because most applicants for citizenship already know the meaning of those abbrev. by virtue of already having dealt with INS.
And as I said before that it's not about ME or anyone else, nor it's about where an important information is placed so long it's out there as sticky to help others. Besides, moderating doesn't always mean to deleting threads/postings, closing threads; instead it's about banning abusers, getting rid of unnecessary postings, merging/copying the right postings/threads to its place. It's not about personal nor about any offense; instead it is about doing the right thing.
I don't think I had to have a discussion on doing the right thing as a moderator nor any moderator should if they feel that they are doing the right thing as a moderator. Moderating is also not about "rubber-stamping" the acts of other moderators; rather it's about doing the right thing or carry out the moderation job rightfully. Many senior moderators and even administrator of this site have reversed other moderators' acts time and time again once they have felt that right moderatoring act wasn't done by other moderators. This is nothing new.
We all make mistakes at time...afterall we are humans. For example, other week I responded something mistakenly on H1b visa while AOS is pending. I didn't know that laws have changed in this regard for a while and I haven't handled any H1b case since then. So when I realized my mistake, I right away wanted to do the right thing by correcting myself, but I couldn't be able to post any thread at that time because of some fatal error which I immediately reported to Administrator of this site. Having said this, all I'm saying that we all make mistakes...So obviously, moderators could make wrong decisions as well. That's why other moderators and administrator could correct the mistake if they feel there was a mistake. By the way, I didn't delete the content of that thread at all; instead I just merged it to the right places.
Don't take this personally and try to understand that a thread shouldn't be sticky just because of one useful posting alone as a new sticky thread. I don't think there is any point in having discussion on this matter anymore.
I wasn't offended nor it was about ME or anyone else. Plus, I've not said that the information in that sticky thread wasn't sensible/important/useful; instead it's about placing important information at one place as a way of compling them altogether. We cannot and should not make every single important/sensible information as sticky by creating a new and different thread; otherwise this whole board would be only about sticky threads than anything else.
The best way to handle useful/sensible/important/helpful information is merging them with a sticky thread which is more relevant to that kind of information, which would be looked at by new-comers anyway. This has been the way on this entire board ever since. There is not one single thread on any forum of this board which became a sticky just because of one posting alone except adminstrator/Operator ones...Nobody has done that nor anyone has ever posted the very same thread as sticky on two different forums of this board which was the case yesterday when that thread was posted at citizenship forum as well. I can understand that it was informative, but I don't think it could help much to those who are applying for citizenship because most applicants for citizenship already know the meaning of those abbrev. by virtue of already having dealt with INS.
And as I said before that it's not about ME or anyone else, nor it's about where an important information is placed so long it's out there as sticky to help others. Besides, moderating doesn't always mean to deleting threads/postings, closing threads; instead it's about banning abusers, getting rid of unnecessary postings, merging/copying the right postings/threads to its place. It's not about personal nor about any offense; instead it is about doing the right thing.
I don't think I had to have a discussion on doing the right thing as a moderator nor any moderator should if they feel that they are doing the right thing as a moderator. Moderating is also not about "rubber-stamping" the acts of other moderators; rather it's about doing the right thing or carry out the moderation job rightfully. Many senior moderators and even administrator of this site have reversed other moderators' acts time and time again once they have felt that right moderatoring act wasn't done by other moderators. This is nothing new.
We all make mistakes at time...afterall we are humans. For example, other week I responded something mistakenly on H1b visa while AOS is pending. I didn't know that laws have changed in this regard for a while and I haven't handled any H1b case since then. So when I realized my mistake, I right away wanted to do the right thing by correcting myself, but I couldn't be able to post any thread at that time because of some fatal error which I immediately reported to Administrator of this site. Having said this, all I'm saying that we all make mistakes...So obviously, moderators could make wrong decisions as well. That's why other moderators and administrator could correct the mistake if they feel there was a mistake. By the way, I didn't delete the content of that thread at all; instead I just merged it to the right places.
Don't take this personally and try to understand that a thread shouldn't be sticky just because of one useful posting alone as a new sticky thread. I don't think there is any point in having discussion on this matter anymore.
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I had originally posted the request to make this a sticky. Here's why I feel that this forum more than anywhere else deserves to have this as a sticky.
I suspect the family petition thread would have a very high proportion of newbies. Much of the time, USCs are posting here (who have never dealt with USCIS before), as they find themselves in a position to want to sponsor a non-USC spouse/parent/etc. Or because of the relatively straightforward nature of family petitions, this is the first time people would dare to attempt non-lawyer do-it-yourself filings.
Unfortunately, the majority of the experienced experts here are used to speaking in USCIS abbreviation-shorthand (I don't blame them, it's just much easier to type).
In addition to being new to USCIS, some are just new to the forums. Google has many direct links to specific threads in this site, and I suspect those users are unfamiliar with the forum structure and/or search capabilities. I remember when I first used the site, I never looked outside my specific (boston n-400) thread.
For all these reasons, I'm not surprised when I read at least one "what is this abbreviation" thread per week in these forums. I think it would be a huge help to all these people to see an abbreviation sticky.
I do understand the "too many stickies" concern, but this one seems really valuable.
-ML
K1 -> I-485 -> I-751 -> N-400
Now filing I-130/I-485 for parent...
I suspect the family petition thread would have a very high proportion of newbies. Much of the time, USCs are posting here (who have never dealt with USCIS before), as they find themselves in a position to want to sponsor a non-USC spouse/parent/etc. Or because of the relatively straightforward nature of family petitions, this is the first time people would dare to attempt non-lawyer do-it-yourself filings.
Unfortunately, the majority of the experienced experts here are used to speaking in USCIS abbreviation-shorthand (I don't blame them, it's just much easier to type).
In addition to being new to USCIS, some are just new to the forums. Google has many direct links to specific threads in this site, and I suspect those users are unfamiliar with the forum structure and/or search capabilities. I remember when I first used the site, I never looked outside my specific (boston n-400) thread.
For all these reasons, I'm not surprised when I read at least one "what is this abbreviation" thread per week in these forums. I think it would be a huge help to all these people to see an abbreviation sticky.
I do understand the "too many stickies" concern, but this one seems really valuable.
-ML
K1 -> I-485 -> I-751 -> N-400
Now filing I-130/I-485 for parent...
JohnnyCash
Volunteer Moderator
Nobody has questioned as to who and why that sticky thread was recommended to be a sticky nor it would have been the matter because any moderator can make his/her own judgment on what should be sticky here. If a moderator feels something is useful/helpful, s/he can make that information sticky. However, the issue is here-try not to make every single new information as sticky on new and different thread; rather merge them with other threads which are relevant and close to that information.
Again, it's not about who made the request and why such a request was made; instead it's about where to accommodate that request so that every new information wouldn't float around as a new and different stick thread.
Again, it's not about who made the request and why such a request was made; instead it's about where to accommodate that request so that every new information wouldn't float around as a new and different stick thread.
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