Now should I re-send AR-11?

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AmericanWannabe

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I called USPS and checked their website etc.
The status of my certified mail status is still
"accetptance" and I have not got
my return receit yet. Amost a while month
has been gone by.

Should I re-send AR11 or keep waiting
for USPS to trace it?

I reggret not taking many good people's advice here
because I sent 2 AR-11 forms in one envelope.
Had I sent 2 AR-11 in two seperate mails,
most likely both will be delievered now.

I am not sure if I should sue USPS for financial
damages and perhaps immigration-related
damages.

Does Department of Homeland Security have the
power to scold US Post Master?

Next time I should go with FedEx.
 
I did sent our two AR 11 in one envlop , after 4 weeks I received return receipt, so it is better to wait few more days.
 
I did sent our two AR 11 in one envelop , after 4 weeks I received return receipt even though The status of my certified mail status shows
"accetptance" after one week, so it is better to wait few more days.
 
What is the status of your certified mail now?

Has it changed from "acctetance" to "delievered"?

Maybe there is a pattern that multiple-AR11 in one envelope is
always delayed :(
 
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AmericanWannabe said:
Should I re-send AR11 or keep waiting
for USPS to trace it?
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You are worrying too much. I would recommands you to save the copies of AR-11 forms and receipt of certified post in your immigration file. That's it. Your certified receipt is a good evidence that you sent AR-11. You don't need to do anything else.
 
pralay said:
You are worrying too much. I would recommands you to save the copies of AR-11 forms and receipt of certified post in your immigration file. That's it. Your certified receipt is a good evidence that you sent AR-11. You don't need to do anything else.
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Tracking information for a certified mail will be kept only for up to 2 years.
After that no information is avaliable. So if one day USCIS get you and you
present a receipt (not return receipt), how can you prove the receipt
is real one?

and USCIS may say that it is each alien's responsibility to make sure
the AR-11 reach USCIS. USPS's faults is alien's faults in the eyes
of USCIS
 
AmericanWannabe said:
So if one day USCIS get you and you
present a receipt (not return receipt), how can you prove the receipt
is real one?
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It's not your job to prove the receipt real one, but USCIS's job to prove otherwise. Status check in internet is fairly new thing that happened in last ten years. Certifiied post served American people for probably last 50 or 100 years. Trust me. Now the time has come when you are unable trust anything that is not available in cyberspace! :eek: You will be amazed to see most of the things of everyday life run and work pretty well without any help from cyberspace.

How did you prove to USCIS that all the transcript, degree certificate, birth certificate are real?
 
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pralay said:
It's not your job to prove the receipt real one, but USCIS's job to prove otherwise. Status check in internet is fairly new thing that happened in last ten years. Certifiied post served American people for probably last 50 or 100 years. Trust me. Now the time has come when you are unable trust anything that is not available in cyberspace! :eek: You will be amazed to see most of the things of everyday life run and work pretty well without any help from cyberspace.

How did you prove to USCIS that all the transcript, degree certificate, birth certificate are real?
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The bottomline is: we better make sure USCIS have our current
address. otherwise even if you manage to prove you tried to notify them of your change of address, it will only be after you arrest you when they
find discrepancy between your current address and their records.

Of course, such discrepancy can exist even if your AR-11
does reach USCIS on time because they still can
ignore the AR-11 even if they receive it. But that
is indeed beyond our control. For now what is under our control
is to make sure our AR-11 be indeed delieved to USCIS
at least
 
AmericanWannabe said:
The bottomline is: we better make sure USCIS have our current
address.
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Not true. You just have to adhere to INA 264 rule by the method prescribed by DHS - that is filing AR-11 and having a proof (receipt certified post) that you complied to the law. You don't have any responsibility to "make sure" USCIS/DHS have your current address.

AmericanWannabe said:
For now what is under our control
is to make sure our AR-11 be indeed delieved to USCIS
at least
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If you are really so careful and want to comply with INA 264 in such an extent, then buy a flight ticket to Washington DC, make an appointment with DHS Secretary Chertoff and deliver him your AR-11 personally. That's the best way to "make sure" I can think of.
 
JoeF said:
Exactly. You need to inform CIS. What they do with that information is none of your concern
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But if USPS lost your mail, then you can not say you did inform
CIS. USPS is not part of DHS or USCIS so the later can not be
hled responsible for failure to delievery. The same logic that
if your credi card payment is lost by USPS, then credit
card issusing bank can still charge you interests and late fees
 
The most likely scenario of my case is that USPS did deliever
AR-11 to USCIS but both of them did not follow the
rules of USPS - USPS did not scan teh delivery into
tracking system and USCIS did not sign the return
receitpts and mail them back to me.

Such lackadassical attitude carry serious national
security risk.
 
JoeF said:
So what? If you sent it as certified mail, you have proof that you sent it. That's all that is needed. Again, you don't have control over what the USPS or CIS does with it, unless you own them.
You are comparing apples with oranges. First off, if you send your CC payment via certified mail, and insured, you'd get the money back from USPS if they lose the mail. Second, CC companies are private enterprises, and they of course can set rules as they see fit. CIS is limited by what the immigration law says.
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The immigration law says one need to notify USCIS change of address.
If the AR-11 did not reach USCIS, then it can still be considered
"failure to notify". The recipient of any mail is not responsible
for mistake of courier but the sender is.
 
If certified receipts (those you get when you send mail)
are good enough for porrf of sending AR-11, why
do many of us also spend extra money to request "Return
Receipt service"?
 
JoeF said:
Huh? Where did you get that weird idea from? As a sender, I am in no way responsible for what the USPS or any other mailing company does or does not do.
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So far as the USCIS is concerned, that is the problem between you and
the USPS. The same thing as that, say, if one ask his wife to put
the letter containing AR-11 into the outgoing mailbox but the wife
forgot then one can not say he fulffilled his commitment to
send AR-11. There is no difference here between the role of
USPS and the wife.
(One can videotape his handing the letter to his wife as proof
if you insist the difference is that USPS can give you a ceritifed mail receipt)
 
AmericanWannabe said:
The immigration law says one need to notify USCIS change of address.
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You did by filing AR-11.

AmericanWannabe said:
If the AR-11 did not reach USCIS, then it can still be considered
"failure to notify".
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No. Because you have proof (receipt of certified post) that you notified. That's what certified post meant for - having a proof.


AmericanWannabe said:
The recipient of any mail is not responsible
for mistake of courier but the sender is.
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What did you get that idea? There is no universal rule or law like that. If AR-11 lost in mail, then USPS is responsible.
You are mentioning a policy (not a rule or law) adopted by most of the commercial companies. For example, if I buy a book from Amazon.com, until I receive the book by courier/mail I don't any responsibility to pay for it. If the book is lost in mail, then Amazon.com will send replacement copy. On the other hand, if I want to return the book, until Amazon.com receives they don't have any responsibility to refund my money. If the book is lost in mail, that's still my responsibility. But that's just policy and you agree to it when you do business with them. It's not law, it's not rule. Period.
 
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AmericanWannabe said:
The immigration law says one need to notify USCIS change of address. If the AR-11 did not reach USCIS, then it can still be considered "failure to notify". The recipient of any mail is not responsible
for mistake of courier but the sender is.
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Wannabe, how can you live constantly paralyzed by your irrational fears? You give hysterical women a bad reputation.
 
TheRealCanadian said:
Wannabe, how can you live constantly paralyzed by your irrational fears? You give hysterical women a bad reputation.
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I am not paralyzed with fears. In fact I believe 99.9999999999999999999
9999% sure one will not have trouble at all even he does not file AR-11 at
all and I once mentioned filing AR-11 thru certified mail may carry a risk
of being killed because of extra car trip to post office and that
risk is apparently bigger than being caught by USCIS for not filing AR-11.

But since we file Ar-11 anyway, I want to make sure we do it right
 
AmericanWannabe said:
There is no difference here between the role of
USPS and the wife.
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There is a difference. DHS prescribed you to send AR-11 by mail. That is the only acceptable method for DHS. DHS did not ask you send AR-11 by your wife. So, until you send your own AR-11 in mail (not wife), you are still responsible.
 
AmericanWannabe said:
What is the status of your certified mail now?

Has it changed from "acctetance" to "delievered"?

Maybe there is a pattern that multiple-AR11 in one envelope is
always delayed :(
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I mailed our on 07/01 and 07/11 it has changed to Status: Delivered

Your item was delivered at 5:44 am on July 11, 2005 in LONDON, KY 40742.

and I Received Return receipt on july 29th.
 
pralay said:
There is a difference. DHS prescribed you to send AR-11 by mail. That is the only acceptable method for DHS. DHS did not ask you send AR-11 by your wife. So, until you send your own AR-11 in mail (not wife), you are still responsible.
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On Ar-11 form,
DHS provided two addresses for AR-11 forms. I think the second
one "1084-I South Laurel Road, London KY 40744" may be open
with their personell for anyone (FedEx, yourself, or your wife) to
deliever in person

Maybe here anyone who lives in London KY can do us a favor
to find out by delierving his own AR-11 next time
 
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