Non-Citizen of Any Country With GC Traviling Abroad

E

eagle1111

New Member
Hello everyone,

I am a permanent resident with green card, but don't have any passport. Nor am I a citizen of any country. So I cannot get a Any passport unless I become a US citizen. But for now I am not. I would like to travel to Europe for vacation (2 weeks max). I understand that GC is sufficient enough for re-entry back to US. What about the entry into other countries? Another question...There are countries that don't require visa for US citizens..How does that apply to me? Thank you in advance. I really appreciate your feedback, comments, and all the help!
 
Sorry, but I don't think you can travel to Europe without a passport. You will just have to wait until you get your citizenship.

How did that happen anyway, that you don't have any citzenship? Just curious.
 
eagle1111 said:
Hello everyone,

I am a permanent resident with green card, but don't have any passport. Nor am I a citizen of any country. So I cannot get a Any passport unless I become a US citizen. But for now I am not. I would like to travel to Europe for vacation (2 weeks max). I understand that GC is sufficient enough for re-entry back to US. What about the entry into other countries? Another question...There are countries that don't require visa for US citizens..How does that apply to me? Thank you in advance. I really appreciate your feedback, comments, and all the help!
Click to expand...

Were you born somewhere off planet earth?
 
You people never heard of "stateless" individuals?

Some people were born in countries that don't exist anymore, or were born in a country where they don't give citizenship to the newborns unless the parents are citizens, and their parents' country doesn't give citizenship to children unless they're born in the same country. So they don't have any citizenship... they're stateless.

Or their citizenship may have been revoked because they spoke out against their oppressive government (this is often the case with asylees).
 
eagle1111 said:
I would like to travel to Europe for vacation (2 weeks max).
Click to expand...

You may be able to make do with either a refugee travel document or a reentry permit. To get either, you have to file form I-131. The document that USCIS provides is colloquially referred to as a white passport which makes perfect sense since it is neither white nor is it a passport... :rolleyes: Various countries accept this document in lieu of a passport. Check with the consulates of the country or countries you intend to visit before deciding on a course of action.
 
eagle1111 said:
Hello everyone,

I am a permanent resident with green card, but don't have any passport. Nor am I a citizen of any country. So I cannot get a Any passport unless I become a US citizen. But for now I am not. I would like to travel to Europe for vacation (2 weeks max). I understand that GC is sufficient enough for re-entry back to US. What about the entry into other countries? Another question...There are countries that don't require visa for US citizens..How does that apply to me? Thank you in advance. I really appreciate your feedback, comments, and all the help!
Click to expand...

You can get a travel document called the reentry permit from the USCIS. Do that by filing Form I-131. You can apply for visas using that document. That document is in essence a passport. Often using a U.S. issued travel document is easier than a passport.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
eagle1111 said:
Hello everyone,

I am a permanent resident with green card, but don't have any passport. Nor am I a citizen of any country. So I cannot get a Any passport unless I become a US citizen. But for now I am not. I would like to travel to Europe for vacation (2 weeks max). I understand that GC is sufficient enough for re-entry back to US. What about the entry into other countries? Another question...There are countries that don't require visa for US citizens..How does that apply to me? Thank you in advance. I really appreciate your feedback, comments, and all the help!
Click to expand...

Did you happen to get your green card by a grant of asylum or refugee status?
 
Thank you for your feedback. My family came here from USSR back when it was still USSR. I was not even 15 yo then, and all the adults in the family had to give up their passports in order to leave the country. I guess it sounds like Travel Document is the way to go provided it is acceptable by the country I want to travel to. I would need to contact the consulate for more details. If you guys can think of anything else, I would greatly appreciate more comments.
 
eagle1111 said:
Thank you for your feedback. My family came here from USSR back when it was still USSR. I was not even 15 yo then, and all the adults in the family had to give up their passports in order to leave the country. I guess it sounds like Travel Document is the way to go provided it is acceptable by the country I want to travel to. I would need to contact the consulate for more details. If you guys can think of anything else, I would greatly appreciate more comments.
Click to expand...

I was a frequent user of travel document.

Which country do you want to go to?
 
In the near future I would like to travel to Latvia and Russia. Anything that you can tell me would be really helpful.
 
If you have not been naturalized as a citizen of any country other than your country of birth your citizenship is determined by the location of your city of birth and where it is currently located.

For Immigration and travel purposes, you will need a passport for travel. Your GC is only recognized as a right of abode and employment in the United States.
 
asPapi said:
If you have not been naturalized as a citizen of any country other than your country of birth your citizenship is determined by the location of your city of birth and where it is currently located.
Click to expand...

This is dead wrong. You do NOT attain the citizenship of the country in which you were born unless the law of that country makes you a citizen. As a matter of fact the majority of countries in the world do not award citizenship to a person simply beause she/he was born within their boundaries. They have more specific requirements, usually tied to ancestry.

People in this situation usually get the citizenship of the country of which their parents are citizens. Howeve this is up to the law of each country and some countries do not allow this. Thus in the world there are people who lack a nationality of any kind.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
asPapi said:
For Immigration and travel purposes, you will need a passport for travel. Your GC is only recognized as a right of abode and employment in the United States.
Click to expand...


This is wrong again. The United States issues special documents to enable immigrants without a nationality to travel (people who do not wish to use their passports can also receive these travel douments).

Both Britian and Canada also issue such travel documents.

Please double check your posts for accuracy.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
In addition, some people who were born with citizenship had it revoked, or their original country of citizenship has broken up (e.g. Yugoslavia, USSR) and they have not obtained citizenship from the country that now occupies their place of birth or anywhere else.
 
asPapi said:
Here is information on how to get what the USCIS considers to be a travel document. Perhaps this article on passports might shed some light. Is the OP a refugee?
Click to expand...

It really does not matter if she is a refugee or not. Chances are refugees are more likely to use the special travel documents but under U.S. law every green card holder is eligible for a reentry permit which may be used as a substitute passport. A refugee can obtain either a RP or a Refugee Travel Document.

As an aside for refugees who have national passports, they often find that they get better treatment if they use an American travel document.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
thankful said:
It really does not matter if she is a refugee or not. Chances are refugees are more likely to use the special travel documents but under U.S. law every green card holder is eligible for a reentry permit.
Click to expand...

Why does it not matter whthether the OP was a refugee or not? The question here relates to the OP as a Permanent Resident without a passport who wants to travel internationally.
If the OP is in the US and was not a refugee or claimed asylum prior to obtaining a GC, how did the OP get here?

No one is disputing the right of rentry to the US for a GC holder, the question here is, which countries can the OP travel to as a GC holder without a passport and if there are such countries, which are they and do they accept the GC as a travel document, which it is not?

As to being "stateless", you cannot remain stateless indefinitely if you want to be able to travel internationally.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
asPapi said:
If the OP is in the US and was not a refugee or claimed asylum prior to obtaining a GC, how did the OP get here?
Click to expand...

The possibilities are endless. The person can be from the former Soviet Union, entered the United States with a passport and then after the Soviet breakup he could no longer qualify for citizenship in any of the 15 former Soviet republics. This person would then have no passport to use. He could still qualify for a green card based on say marriage or employment. Then he is a green card holder but he has no passport (and did not recceive asylum status).
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Good. Now that we know, in your example, that he came from somewhere, in this case the USSR and was a citizen of the USSR. Would he by any chance have a claim to citizenship of any of the subsequent republics arising out of the old the USSR, in this case, say he was born in Moscow?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top