New York Times Story (April 7, 2005)

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Two 16-year-old girls from New York City were arrested last month and charged with immigration violations after the F.B.I. asserted that they intended to become suicide bombers, according to a government document. A spokesman for one of their families, however, said the accusation was false and said the government had probably misinterpreted a school essay written by one of the girls.

The girls are both in the country illegally, one born in Guinea and the other from Bangladesh, and are being held in a family detention center in Leesport, in southeastern Pennsylvania, according to the document, provided by a federal agent. They were arrested on March 24, and one appeared at an immigration hearing on April 1 in York, Pa.

The document, which describes the background of the case, said the F.B.I. believed the girls presented "an imminent threat to the security of the United States based upon evidence that they plan to be suicide bombers." It does not describe the nature of that evidence.

But one federal official, not connected to the F.B.I., expressed skepticism that the teenagers represented a real risk of a suicide bombing.

"There are doubts about these claims, and no evidence has been found that such a plot was in the works," said the government official in Washington, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case involves a pending legal matter. A senior law enforcement official in New York voiced the same doubts.

The case is the latest run-in between immigrants, both legal and illegal, and federal officials who have become much more aggressive in acting against potential terrorist threats in the post-9/11 world. While advocates for immigrants have said that many innocent people are being swept up in antiterror efforts, government officials have said their vigilance is necessary.

Adem Carroll, a community activist with the Islamic Circle of North America who first approached this reporter about the case on behalf of one of the girls' parents, said the case appeared to be "an investigation that's gotten out of hand, like a lot of other so-called terror investigations." He added, "I'm confident that things will be cleared up."

Manny Van Pelt, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a division of the Homeland Security Department, would not elaborate on the investigation.

"ICE special agents have arrested two juveniles on administrative immigration violations, and both remain in ICE custody," said Mr. Van Pelt. Citing "longstanding policy regarding juveniles in our custody," he declined to comment further.

The Guinean girl entered the United States with her family in 1990 on a visitor visa, according to the document, and lives with her parents along with four siblings who are United States citizens. She and her parents have overstayed their original visas, it said, and her father has been arrested on immigration charges.

The Bangladeshi girl entered the country in 1994, according to the document, and her mother unsuccessfully applied for asylum. Two of her three siblings were born here.

According to Mr. Carroll, the parents of the Bangladeshi girl, who live in Queens Village, went to the local police station house several weeks ago, seeking a complaint against their teenage daughter, who had defied their authority. The family dispute was soon resolved, and they then tried to withdraw the complaint, which they believe set off the investigation.

Police detectives, and then federal immigration agents, searched her belongings and confiscated her computer and the essays that she had written as part of a home schooling program, according to the family. One essay concerned suicide. The family maintained that the essay asserted that suicide is against Islamic law, but it led investigators to question her sharply about her political beliefs.

Detectives from the precinct went to the girl's home to question her about two weeks before her arrest, Mr. Carroll said, asking about her absence from a public high school since September. The mother said her daughter would be schooled at home and was seeking a high school equivalency degree because of conflicts between her Islamic dress code - a full veil - and the school's dress code.

According to the family, the detectives, who had no warrant, searched the house and the teenager's belongings. The next day, the mother received a phone call from one of the detectives, a woman, saying that her daughter had extremist beliefs and promoted concepts like suicide bombing. Both mother and daughter denied the allegation, saying that she was against such ideas.

Last night, a 20-year-old woman friend of the Bangladeshi teenager said she had known the young woman for three years and was close to her. Told of the allegations, she responded in disbelief, "That's crazy."
 
From what I hear now on FOX NEWS the feds are backing up from terrorism...to teen anger... post 9/11 I'm glad they acted so quickly and checked out everything
 
hampton8844 said:
Two 16-year-old girls from New York City were arrested last month and charged with immigration violations after the F.B.I. asserted that they intended to become suicide bombers, according to a government document. A spokesman for one of their families, however, said the accusation was false and said the government had probably misinterpreted a school essay written by one of the girls.

The girls are both in the country illegally, one born in Guinea and the other from Bangladesh, and are being held in a family detention center in Leesport, in southeastern Pennsylvania, according to the document, provided by a federal agent. They were arrested on March 24, and one appeared at an immigration hearing on April 1 in York, Pa.

The document, which describes the background of the case, said the F.B.I. believed the girls presented "an imminent threat to the security of the United States based upon evidence that they plan to be suicide bombers." It does not describe the nature of that evidence.

But one federal official, not connected to the F.B.I., expressed skepticism that the teenagers represented a real risk of a suicide bombing.

"There are doubts about these claims, and no evidence has been found that such a plot was in the works," said the government official in Washington, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case involves a pending legal matter. A senior law enforcement official in New York voiced the same doubts.

The case is the latest run-in between immigrants, both legal and illegal, and federal officials who have become much more aggressive in acting against potential terrorist threats in the post-9/11 world. While advocates for immigrants have said that many innocent people are being swept up in antiterror efforts, government officials have said their vigilance is necessary.

Adem Carroll, a community activist with the Islamic Circle of North America who first approached this reporter about the case on behalf of one of the girls' parents, said the case appeared to be "an investigation that's gotten out of hand, like a lot of other so-called terror investigations." He added, "I'm confident that things will be cleared up."

Manny Van Pelt, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a division of the Homeland Security Department, would not elaborate on the investigation.

"ICE special agents have arrested two juveniles on administrative immigration violations, and both remain in ICE custody," said Mr. Van Pelt. Citing "longstanding policy regarding juveniles in our custody," he declined to comment further.

The Guinean girl entered the United States with her family in 1990 on a visitor visa, according to the document, and lives with her parents along with four siblings who are United States citizens. She and her parents have overstayed their original visas, it said, and her father has been arrested on immigration charges.

The Bangladeshi girl entered the country in 1994, according to the document, and her mother unsuccessfully applied for asylum. Two of her three siblings were born here.

According to Mr. Carroll, the parents of the Bangladeshi girl, who live in Queens Village, went to the local police station house several weeks ago, seeking a complaint against their teenage daughter, who had defied their authority. The family dispute was soon resolved, and they then tried to withdraw the complaint, which they believe set off the investigation.

Police detectives, and then federal immigration agents, searched her belongings and confiscated her computer and the essays that she had written as part of a home schooling program, according to the family. One essay concerned suicide. The family maintained that the essay asserted that suicide is against Islamic law, but it led investigators to question her sharply about her political beliefs.

Detectives from the precinct went to the girl's home to question her about two weeks before her arrest, Mr. Carroll said, asking about her absence from a public high school since September. The mother said her daughter would be schooled at home and was seeking a high school equivalency degree because of conflicts between her Islamic dress code - a full veil - and the school's dress code.

According to the family, the detectives, who had no warrant, searched the house and the teenager's belongings. The next day, the mother received a phone call from one of the detectives, a woman, saying that her daughter had extremist beliefs and promoted concepts like suicide bombing. Both mother and daughter denied the allegation, saying that she was against such ideas.

Last night, a 20-year-old woman friend of the Bangladeshi teenager said she had known the young woman for three years and was close to her. Told of the allegations, she responded in disbelief, "That's crazy."

I wish these feds are as active in tracing the racist supremacists who threaten immigrants and people of color in this country. Teenagers are unstable in their beliefs and they just say rubbish that they do not necessary mean. Sometimes they do mean what they say and in that case I would support the feds for arresting these 2 girls. If the feds are that smart and fair, however, they could have stopped the carnage that took place 2 weeks ago in the Red Lake reservation's high school. The perpetrator who killed many students and himself constantly visited a racist web site and called himself "nazi native. " I wonder why the feds are not monitoring Nazi teens the same way they are chasing Islamic militant teens. Let us suspend our judgment until we know the full story and remember that we are dealing with teenagers who may or may not act on their immature beliefs.
 
Well what happened in REd Lake Reservations is not something that can be stopped. There are millions of HIgh School students out there who are messed up..and been to high school in the states, I know that Kids can be tough on other kids..sometimes you do wish to kick someone's ass cuz they are rude...

The Islamic Freaks are the people who are teaching these things in Schools/Colleges. Can you imagine a U.S High school teaching to Kill Jews or Other religions? That school will be shut down in an instance but day after day..there are Islamic schools that teach hatred against other religions..and those stay open....These schools need to be closed.

I think if for instance if a Christian Kid wrote about Suicide bombing and killing himself/herself and someone found about it..they would take appropriate action. Just because an Islamic student got caught doesnt really mean that the U.S Govt doesn't care about anyone else than Muslims.
 
In general it is not a federal responsibility to control high school safety. That job belongs to state and local governments.

Preventing another act of terrorism on American soil is an urgent national responsibility. This looks like to be an overreaction over nothing. But the Government had no choice. At least one of the person appears to be in the country in violation of our immigration laws. This shows yet again the necessity of having better control over the borders and dealing with the illegal immigration issue.
 
..and suggesting that the feds are not working against neo Nazis is bogus. Not more but a couple days ago Matt Hale self admitted hardcore Nazi (since 12 years old) head of World Church of the Creator got thrown in jail for 40 years (probably will never get out) after a successful prosecution by the feds..
 
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..and suggesting that the feds are not working against neo Nazis is bogus. Not more but a couple days ago Matt Hale self admitted hardcore Nazi (since 12 years old) head of World Church of the Creator got thrown in jail for 40 years (probably will never get out) after a successful prosecution by the feds..
Well, you need to tell the full story. He was convicted because he conspired to kill the judge in a case he was involved with- just like a thug would do.
 
wantmygcnow said:
Well what happened in REd Lake Reservations is not something that can be stopped. There are millions of HIgh School students out there who are messed up..and been to high school in the states, I know that Kids can be tough on other kids..sometimes you do wish to kick someone's ass cuz they are rude...

The Islamic Freaks are the people who are teaching these things in Schools/Colleges. Can you imagine a U.S High school teaching to Kill Jews or Other religions? That school will be shut down in an instance but day after day..there are Islamic schools that teach hatred against other religions..and those stay open....These schools need to be closed.

I think if for instance if a Christian Kid wrote about Suicide bombing and killing himself/herself and someone found about it..they would take appropriate action. Just because an Islamic student got caught doesnt really mean that the U.S Govt doesn't care about anyone else than Muslims.
Both girls were attending American schools when they were arrested, so they were not taught anything by what you call "Islamic freaks." Many African American teens talk about the possibility of rioting and see this as a way for self- expression. No one supports rioting but people understand that these kids are going through a very unsettling period. These girls are teenagers; they may have contemplated something so heinous such as being suicide bombers but that does not mean they would act on it. My point of bringing the issue of violence in high schools is that there is a culture of death in our schools and in the Internet. These are real dangerous hot spots that this administration is choosing to ignore. The amount of "troubled kids" who exist in the schools and the number of anti-immigrant sickening web sites are on the rise. The FBI needs to pay attention to this problem as well. I am supporting a full investigation of these 2 girls but I am also proposing that law enforcement agencies are not doing enough to counter the culture of death in both our schools and the Internet.
 
samoel said:
From what I hear now on FOX NEWS the feds are backing up from terrorism...to teen anger... post 9/11 I'm glad they acted so quickly and checked out everything
That proves my point. Thanks God someone is making sense in the FBI!
 
samoel said:
:confused: Which point? Are you reading the postings backwards?
Let me be more explicit : they realized that the girls are angry and not terrorists. I read the recent posts first- my mistake!
 
An update on this story:


It began with two 16-year-old immigrant girls arrested at dawn,
detained far from home, and, in a chilling government assertion, called
would-be suicide bombers who posed "an imminent threat to the security of the
United States."

But now, after holding the girls for six weeks in a Pennsylvania
detention center, the government has quietly released one of the girls and is
allowing the other to leave the country with her family.

One girl, an immigrant from Guinea, was back in her East Harlem high
school yesterday among the jubilant friends and teachers who have
insisted all along that the accusation was absurd. The other girl, who grew up
in Queens, was still in detention, but was granted an order from an
immigration judge that will allow her and her parents to return to their
native Bangladesh as soon as the trip can be arranged.

Many questions remain unanswered in a case that has been marked from
the start by secrecy, including closed hearings, sealed F.B.I.
declarations, and orders barring the lawyers from disclosing government
information. James Margolin, an F.B.I. spokesman, did not return calls seeking
comment on the latest developments, and earlier had said he could not
discuss the cases.

But Natasha Pierre, the lawyer for the Guinean girl, Adama Bah, said
the outcome spoke for itself. "She should never have been detained in the
first place," Ms. Pierre said of her client, who was not yet 2 when she
arrived in New York with her parents, Muslims who have a trinket shop
near a subway stop in Bushwick, Brooklyn. "I'm still under a gag order
and I have to be very careful not to cross the line. All I can say is
she's innocent - she's more than innocent. The girl doesn't know
anything."

The teenager's release came with conditions that Ms. Pierre said she
was restrained from discussing. But the lawyer indicated that the
conditions included Adama's being available to government investigators and
reporting to immigration authorities. Her father, Mamadou Bah, a former
cabdriver, is in a detention center in Elizabeth, N.J., facing
deportation for immigration violations.

Jessica Siegel, Adama's English teacher, was among many adults in the
girl's life who had described her as a vibrant, popular teenager who
wore jeans under her Islamic garb, ran for student body president, and
hung out with the daughter of the PTA president, a Christian girl, when
she was not baby-sitting for her younger brothers and sisters.

Her return was a joyful celebration. "She's seeing everybody, and she's
smiling because people are jumping up and down and ecstatic," Ms.
Siegel said in a cellphone call from school. "She's like a little bird that
just got out of a cage."

Fellow students began laughing and crying at the same time when they
saw her walk in, said a friend, Yolanda Lawrence, 15. Many had tried to
send Adama letters of support, but were told that she was not allowed to
receive or send mail in the maximum security juvenile detention center,
in Berks County, Pa., and was allowed one five-minute phone call from
her mother each week.

The gag order imposed by an immigration judge at the government's
insistence seemed to be weighing on Adama when she emerged briefly from
Heritage High School between classes. She repeated what she had been
telling friends and teachers inside: "I can't talk about the case."

But by evening, in her lawyer's office in Brooklyn, she felt safe
enough to talk a bit.

"I'm happy to see my friends, and especially my family," she said. When
federal agents released her to her mother, in the family's apartment in
East Harlem, "my mother couldn't stop smiling."

Her detention experience remains vivid, though.

"I cried a lot," she said. " You just feel depressed, you just feel
like nothing when you're in there."

Asked if she understood why she had been detained, the girl replied,
"Honestly, no." She added, speaking of federal agents, "They asked a lot
of questions."

Ms. Pierre said she herself was at a loss to explain how Adama was
swept into the investigation. She and the Bangladeshi girl, seized
separately on March 24, were not even friends.

Troy Mattes, the lawyer for the Bangladeshi girl, has also said that
his client is no would-be suicide bomber, just a regular teenager devoted
to her Islamic faith. Her name is not being published because she is a
minor still in custody who has not been charged with any crime.

The girl's parents, who have lived in Queens for more than a dozen
years, had their longstanding applications for political asylum closed
administratively in the late 1990's, but had no outstanding deportation
orders against them. In normal circumstances, they might have fought to
legalize their immigration status.

But their daughter's detention changed everything, they said. When the
general consul of Bangladesh pressed for an explanation of her
detention, he said the Department of Homeland Security wrote last week that the
girl, who entered the United States with her mother at the age of 4,
was being held solely because she was in the country illegally.

In response, the girl's parents formally asked the government to let
the whole family leave the country voluntarily.

Mr. Mattes said when he learned of Adama's impending release early
Thursday, he tried for a similar arrangement for his client. "No dice," he
said. Yesterday, an immigration judge signed an order allowing the
whole family's departure as soon as a flight and passports could be
arranged.

In the immigration case against Adama's father, deportation is all but
inevitable, according to a lawyer who reviewed the records.

He was granted political asylum in the early 1990's, but under the
false claim that he was from Mauritania, and lost asylum in the late 1990's
when he was found driving a cab under a friend's hack license. Last
year he exhausted an appeal to stay on the basis that deportation to
Guinea would be an extraordinary hardship for his five children, four
American-born.

But Adama said she hoped to make her own, separate case for staying in
the United States, the only country she has known.

"I'm really happy that I'm out," she said. "I just don't want them to
take me away again."
 
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