New theory about processing strategies at VSC :)

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Milko_Djurovski

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Bare with me... how about this: all cases are reviewed in the first pass, where they are grouped by EB category and different criteria, like no criminal offenses, complete documentation etc. Then in subsequent passes priority is redetermined amongst the remaining cases. What makes me say this is sampling of the cases from my RD period and they approved several, before issuing transfers and RFEs for several, so those cases that require additional information/deliberation would be put back in the queue, so to speak...
 
What is the explanation for the cases where the case gets approved after a long time and there is no RFE. USCIS can defy any logic.

It seems the approvals finally dried up. We were getting avge 3-4 approvals every day for some days but there was only one yesterday and there has been none today so far. I don't know if USCIS is done for this quarter.
 
Based on reading from murthy.com (at least I did not link it for shameless cross-promotion to a competitor site), there is a hiring freeze for CIS in general, so no additional increase in speed of processing is expected.

I think this batch of immigrants will have the misfortune of being subjects to the slowest process in recent history when it comes to approving EB applications.
 
Godel's Incompleteness Theorem

One can probably prove a Godel's incompleteness theorem for theories of USCIS: any theory sufficiently elaborate to explain USCIS processing is either inconsistent or incomplete.
 
Re: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem

Originally posted by Quietist
One can probably prove a Godel's incompleteness theorem for theories of USCIS: any theory sufficiently elaborate to explain USCIS processing is either inconsistent or incomplete.
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I like that
 
Re: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem

Originally posted by Quietist
One can probably prove a Godel's incompleteness theorem for theories of USCIS: any theory sufficiently elaborate to explain USCIS processing is either inconsistent or incomplete.
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True. I think it would make much more sense for them to do two things in this process:

1. Give an exact status online. Which means, CIA check passed/pending/not initiated/not needed, FBI check same, other things same... Approximate wait time for this type of case (EB-n and other things taken into consideration)... this many months. Also, show all of the received documentation in detail, which would prevent RFEs and have people proactively sending the missing/incomplete stuff themselves.

2. Assign a single officer to individual cases (this might be tougher, due to senior review policies), for each stage of the process, if needed. This means that the officer knows your case much better than anyone, since he/she has been looking at it for months. There might not be enough people to do this at this time, but I think it's a good idea.

3. Publish whatever process is used for adjudication/processing (decision tree of sorts), up to a level that would endanger national security, so applicants are more aware of why their process might be taking so long. In other words, if you have an AC21, your application follows this path. This would make it easier for applicants to determine how to apply and whether to switch addresses, jobs, etc.

4. Optionally, graph this process in a visual way so you know, your application is in this part of the "tree" with this person (who does or does not, depending on the sensitivity of the process, need to have their name and contact information published online).

5. Improve customer service. There is a happy medium between the past (calling immigration officers directly) and the present (reading off a screen). Give a meaningful status to the callers and limit the amount of telephone/direct inquiries and the times they can be used.

I would make a great commisioner for this agency! :D
 
Re: Re: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem

Originally posted by Milko_Djurovski
True. I think it would make much more sense for them to do two things in this process:

1. Give an exact status online. Which means, CIA check passed/pending/not initiated/not needed, FBI check same, other things same... Approximate wait time for this type of case (EB-n and other things taken into consideration)... this many months. Also, show all of the received documentation in detail, which would prevent RFEs and have people proactively sending the missing/incomplete stuff themselves.

2. Assign a single officer to individual cases (this might be tougher, due to senior review policies), for each stage of the process, if needed. This means that the officer knows your case much better than anyone, since he/she has been looking at it for months. There might not be enough people to do this at this time, but I think it's a good idea.

3. Publish whatever process is used for adjudication/processing (decision tree of sorts), up to a level that would endanger national security, so applicants are more aware of why their process might be taking so long. In other words, if you have an AC21, your application follows this path. This would make it easier for applicants to determine how to apply and whether to switch addresses, jobs, etc.

4. Optionally, graph this process in a visual way so you know, your application is in this part of the "tree" with this person (who does or does not, depending on the sensitivity of the process, need to have their name and contact information published online).

5. Improve customer service. There is a happy medium between the past (calling immigration officers directly) and the present (reading off a screen). Give a meaningful status to the callers and limit the amount of telephone/direct inquiries and the times they can be used.

I would make a great commisioner for this agency! :D
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Maybe, but not for long, if u try to implement all of the above. :)
 
Don't we need to send some sort of representation to VSC director to let him know of our feelings ? Previously we have sent a petition to that useless ombudsman. We, as a group, have never tried to address VSC director. We need to do something.
 
Yes, that's a good idea.

Originally posted by dsatish
Don't we need to send some sort of representation to VSC director to let him know of our feelings ? Previously we have sent a petition to that useless ombudsman. We, as a group, have never tried to address VSC director. We need to do something.
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Yes, that's a good idea. It is always better to engage them rather than just antogonizing them. Also, I think people from CSC have attempted that with some success.
 
Originally posted by dsatish
Don't we need to send some sort of representation to VSC director to let him know of our feelings ? Previously we have sent a petition to that useless ombudsman. We, as a group, have never tried to address VSC director. We need to do something.
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Well... there is the matter of the current class action lawsuit. This could be a:
- pro; they might be willing to listen in order to appease some of the issues or at least tell what they are doing to address them, in hope the legal pressure will ease up
-not possible; due to the pending lawsuit, this kind of conversation might not be possible/recommended by DHS management

However, it would be a good example of think globally (CIS/DHS), act locally (VSC).

Based on the last non-apologetic statement by Mr. Yates, I am not sure if he would entertain such a thought. As someone once noticed here, they are not a regular "business" that you could complain to... Them being a governmental agency means that they are not directly responsible to the public or "customers" (amongst others, us), but only the administration itself. They are certainly one of the departments in the government that can make a valid case that they are here to serve the public, but that they are not really responsible to the public as a whole themselves, certainly not the immigrant public or in the matters of immigration.
 
Here's my take on the files for 2001 cases filed in Oct/Nov/Dec.

-Most of us got 1st FP's in March 2002.

-Mid 2002 most of us got RFE

-Mid 2002-Mid2003 there was no movement on the cases.

-Mid 2003, 2nd FP's were generated

-Mid/late 2003 most of us started with status inquiries and looked for Senator's help.

-Response for inquiries... that case waiting FBI/Namecheck...!!!

-Here we are still around ...........:( ... in 2004 and how knows for how long. Not to forget that in between we went for EAD Renewals/AP's and H-1B, AC21.............and god knows whatelse...


So.... after all this my take on this is that...

The officer gets your file after 2 months of 2nd FP's. For ex: If you did or 2nd FP's on 12/24/03. IF you went in early then no good, officer still won't get the file, until 2 months are gone.

Then if the fu**** officer sees that something else is need, they'll send the RFE. After your reply to RFE.... it's 30 days from when the officer reviews the case again(dengdeng theory), however, if nothing happens then you sit and ROT.

Ofcourse exceptions are there where still some people don't have any 2nd FP's no RFE.


Alteast, this is the pattern i have with the most Fu**** dept in the world. THey are busy spending time on 9/11 commission!!! 9/11 happend 3 years ago, and now they are trying to figure whatwent wrong..............:rolleyes:


I feel sorry for them....................
 
Originally posted by dsatish
Don't we need to send some sort of representation to VSC director to let him know of our feelings ? Previously we have sent a petition to that useless ombudsman. We, as a group, have never tried to address VSC director. We need to do something.
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I already sent the petition along with signatures to VSC director.
Probably we can start another campaign, send email/fax to VSC director.
 
Originally posted by tufan
THey are busy spending time on 9/11 commission!!! 9/11 happend 3 years ago, and now they are trying to figure whatwent wrong..............:rolleyes:


I feel sorry for them....................
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Very well said, infact I would say they will spend Billions of Dollars on to figure out "WHAT WENT WRONG", and thats not gonna do any good to any of us.

BTW I read somewhere that India had warned USA about this attack, 2 years before 911. When they released some terrorists due to the hizacking of one AI Plan to Afganistan.
 
I think "Occam's Razor" apply here

According to "Occam's Razor"

"Of two competing theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simpler one is to be preferred"

I think, its useless to comtemplate on all these complex theories..

The simplest explanation is that they are just dumb
They have no idea what the fuck they are doing and they dont give a shit about it.

how is that for a theory?
 
Originally posted by sam012007
NO THEORY WORKS FOR USCIS/BCIS/INS... whatever it is, BUT ITS A WORST GOVT. DEPT. IN USA
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Watch it dude. CIS employees are monitoring this forum for posts like these. You could be blacklisted for an RFE. <grin>
 
Originally posted by Edison
I already sent the petition along with signatures to VSC director.
Probably we can start another campaign, send email/fax to VSC director.
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Yes, we need to start some email & fax campaign. Let's prepare the text.
 
Originally posted by eadwoes
Watch it dude. CIS employees are monitoring this forum for posts like these. You could be blacklisted for an RFE. <grin>
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This is not Friday okay... ;)
 
I think it is very easy to blame and crib about. Even though I also behave like this at times but I feel that all the officers are doing their Job. They don't make the rules or they don't decide what they want to do, they have nothing against us, they don't know us. It's their officers who tell them what to do and how to do. There are guidelines which they have to follow to adjudicate any application. If they won't follow that it would be their job on the line.

In one of these forums there was a pdf which described the methodology to process a 485 case and that book was almost 400 pages. They want to make sure of everything BEFORE they issue green card so that they are not after you after issuing it.

In post 9/11 scenario no one wants to be blamed for anything so everyone is taking their own time on that pretext to save their ass.

So, guys be realistic, be practical and on the other hand there is nothing wrong in getting frustrated and cribbing. That's what this forum is for to supplement and to complement.
 
Originally posted by PremChopra
I think it is very easy to blame and crib about. Even though I also behave like this at times but I feel that all the officers are doing their Job. They don't make the rules or they don't decide what they want to do, they have nothing against us, they don't know us. It's their officers who tell them what to do and how to do. There are guidelines which they have to follow to adjudicate any application. If they won't follow that it would be their job on the line.

In one of these forums there was a pdf which described the methodology to process a 485 case and that book was almost 400 pages. They want to make sure of everything BEFORE they issue green card so that they are not after you after issuing it.

In post 9/11 scenario no one wants to be blamed for anything so everyone is taking their own time on that pretext to save their ass.

So, guys be realistic, be practical and on the other hand there is nothing wrong in getting frustrated and cribbing. That's what this forum is for to supplement and to complement.
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This more or less reflects most of my thoughts as well. The people themselves are doing their best. However, my usual suggestions have to do with a few things:

1. The process is broken. It is possible to streamline this processing and not compromise national security. I did read that 400 page document and I agree it contains a lot of valid things, but some of the things are purely bureocracy for the sake of red tape. The new pilot programs for 6 month approvals prove my point. A big part of the problem are also FBI and CIA checks. If these guys are the overseers, then why is not more attention paid to this process and more money and resources thrown at it, therefore resulting in less time being spent on it? You cannot tell me that in the vast amount of money that is allocated to national security and these agencies, there is not a little more than can be taken away, let's say, from some of the research or less vital governmental programs (not to offend any NASA GC waiters :))

2. No one is arguing that everyone should be 100% secure in that you are not admitting someone bad into the country permanently. However, establish responsibility and accountability inside this agency and do not pass the buck here all over the place. Instead of again relying on FBI to provide these checks, use TTIC resources as a whole, establish a universal database of immigrants and visitors to this country, to which everyone has at least read access commensurate with their responsibilities. Make these people play together by eliminating the fear of jobs going away (this is what is partially keeping FBI, CIA and other agencies from talking to each other, the fear of redundancy and jobs -> power going away from agencies). I would rather have 60% of the FBI employees sitting and doing nothing, with the process working, then everyone trying to be involved and the process not working.

3. Provide visibility to the actual status. What is the danger in knowing that you application is what an adjudication officer or pending an FBI check? You can get both pieces of information if you ask hard enough at the right place, so why not save the time and money of people calling for endless status inquiries and post it online.

The bottom line is, no doubt that these people are under a lot of pressure and that their #1 priority now is safety and security (quality, if you will) over speed (quantity). But, there is a happy medium. All (most) of us came to this country to contribute and live a better life, so why not let us?
 
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