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cruiserbox

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hello every one, pls some tells me, am eletrical student having only N.V.T.I certificate and City and Guiles (Intermidiate) Certificate.
but i have been working with a electrical contractor man for de past 3years, So, pls advice me what to do and how to prepare b4 de intervew. My date is july,20th.

Apaetfrom my certificates do i need any thing from my Derictor? Just to prof dat am electritian?


thank you.............
 
hi cruiserbox ,
i think you are ok you . you have Certifivate and 3years Ex. it you should be ok in interview.
2- Apaetfrom my certificates do i need any thing from my Derictor? Just to prof dat am electritian? i do not think so. if they want any thing from you they will ask you to have it.
 
la1 said:
hi cruiserbox ,
i think you are ok you . you have Certifivate and 3years Ex. it you should be ok in interview.
2- Apaetfrom my certificates do i need any thing from my Derictor? Just to prof dat am electritian? i do not think so. if they want any thing from you they will ask you to have it.
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Hello la1.
pls am fannaly want to de intervew on july 20th but intervew was not good to me.
Why because i d'not have ENGLISH and MATHEMATICS qualification but on my cert is N.V.T.I and City&Guids, (Intermidiate) i was trying to explaian things but consuler tern me down. So another consuler tell's me i should email them if MAY be they can do something.

so masters u help with ur expereince , what to do or what to write.
 
hi cruiserbox,

Please tell me what " another consuler " said to you . can you explain that to me.
 
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la1 said:
hi cruiserbox,

Please tell me what " another consuler " said to you . can you explain that to me.
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Brother, all i mean is dat, de first consuler told me dat i don't have English & Mathematics on my certeficate.
And i was telling him dat in Electrical corse we don't write English & Mathematice only de core subjet's.
But he still refues me. So when i was going out with my ducoments i left my pasport there, and they call me on phone i should come for my pasport so, when i returen 4 de pasport, then i was trying to explain things to de another consuler she was a black americain and she told me i shoul go and email them what ever i don't understand or any quetion.
So they will see what they can do.

In this case is there anyhope????

24th July, 2009




Dear Sir/Madam,


OBJECTION TO REFUSAL OF MY DV VISA TO US.

CASE NO. 2009AF00039****:

DATE OF BIRTH: AUGUST 1, 19***


I was interviewed for a Visa to travel to United States of America. At the end of it all, I was refused the Visa. The reason given was that I have no English and Mathematics qualification.


Please, I am not going the United States for educational reasons. I am going into the country as a qualified Electrician with Electrical Installation (Electrical Drafters)having N.V.T.I ,and City&Guils Certificate from recognized institution after twelve (14) continuous years in school with working experience since 2006 upto date. And i have allready get my Afidavid of support,police certificate and medicals are done.


Please I would be appreciate it if you could consider the rationale behind my decision for another intervew to cross check my certificate's(Documents) and grant me the Visa in order that I can go and work in the country.


Yours faithfully,

So members of dis furom dis is what i wrote and email them. Still waiting for good answer...
 
bentlebee said:
Are you saying you did High School but didn't graduate, is that what Intermidiate means?
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No intermidiate means second circle institude and in second circle too we have Secondary school & Technical school. I attend Technical school and i did ELECTRICALS and having City&Guils certificate.

And still de consuler turn me dwon why because i don't have English and Mathematics.
But am going they for Qualification not for Education.
 
cruiserbox said:
No intermidiate means second circle institude and in second circle too we have Secondary school & Technical school. I attend Technical school and i did ELECTRICALS and having City&Guils certificate.

And still de consuler turn me dwon why because i don't have English and Mathematics.
But am going they for Qualification not for Education.
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I have a hard time understanding your English, but I try to do my best. I'm surprised that your letter was in good English but you probable didn't write it your self.

Part of a High School diploma is Math (2 courses) and English (4 courses), so for every diploma that has to be equal to a High School diploma which is the requirement for the GC/DV lotery, you have at least have to have the same courses, other wise it can't be equal to High School.

If you haven't met these requirements (only you and the DV have the knowledge, we have not seen your educational papers) you are not eligible.

If not eligible than you can go back to school and finish these courses and try play the DV, after you finish the courses. Which might take 2 years or longer due to the math courses are 4 credits.

Sorry, the rules are clearly stated.
 
bentlebee said:
for every diploma that has to be equal to a High School diploma which is the requirement for the GC/DV lotery, you have at least have to have the same courses, other wise it can't be equal to High School. If you haven't met these requirements [...] you are not eligible.
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It is not necessarily education that makes one eligible, it can be also a work experience. DV Lottery instructions state that "two years of work experience [...] requiring at least two years of training" is enough. Cruiserbox has an experience since 2006, so there should be no problems once his occupation is qualified by the US Department of Labor. However, the consul is free to make a decision based on some other applicant's characteristics. And poor English is never a plus. Even from an employment perspective, any foreign electrician must be properly licensed in the US in order to work in this capacity, and getting the entry level license of an electrician apprentice is not possible without sufficient command of the English language.
 
masematn said:
It is not necessarily education that makes one eligible, it can be also a work experience. DV Lottery instructions state that "two years of work experience [...] requiring at least two years of training" is enough. Cruiserbox has an experience since 2006, so there should be no problems once his occupation is qualified by the US Department of Labor. However, the consul is free to make a decision based on some other applicant's characteristics. And poor English is never a plus. Even from an employment perspective, any foreign electrician must be properly licensed in the US in order to work in this capacity, and getting the entry level license of an electrician apprentice is not possible without sufficient command of the English language.
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I realized I forgot to write about the working experience part and agree with you, that an electricien without proper English knowledge will have a hard time to get licensed over here. I guess there isn't much the OP can do right now, other than work on the requirements and start all over again.

The requirements are clear and the USCIS or CP has to make sure the people don't end up becoming a liability once they are here. If people would look at what is required upfront it would safe them money and some one else would have more chance when they get the NL in the mail.

My English is far from perfect but even the title of the thread made me wonder how much English this OP has learned in his/her life....but you can always take some courses and start over...if you are a real winner you won't give up if you really want to be over here.:)
 
With all ur expression, do i have another chance before the consular?

Hello Mr. Bentlebee,the issue is not about having english and maths because I am not going to the US for education.
I quelify with the required proffesion which is ELECTRICAL DRAFTERS with a certificate.

But i have been refused,Can some one give me a better idea what to do now?
 
cruiserbox said:
I am not going to the US for education.
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It doesn't matter for the consulate. You may want to go to college, and you may not, it's up to you. But there are certain requirements you must meet in order to submit a DV lottery application. Since you have enough working experience, you are OK.

cruiserbox said:
I quelify with the required proffesion which is ELECTRICAL DRAFTERS with a certificate.
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Cruiserbox, you can forget about your certificate. As I said, you needed it (or your employment history rather) for the lottery. Now you won, and this stage is over. Getting a visa and coming to US is another stage. Your certificate will not allow you to work as an electrician. You will need an American license to do so. And without sufficient knowledge of English it can be hard to get. That was IMO the reason, or one of the reasons, for refusal in the consulate.

cruiserbox said:
Can some one give me a better idea what to do now?
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Invest as much as you can afford in learning English. It will pay off any way. Apply for DV-2011 soon. If you want to legally stay in US, enroll in some college and get an F or J visa, or find a job and get an H visa. There are other options as well, you can check it out at www.uscis.gov. Good luck!
 
Hi Masematn,I think Cruiserbox can speak and write good english.But the main issue is that he has the required qualification as ELECTRICAL DRAFTERS which is on their job list provided on the net.But he has been denied,in this case what can he do?
 
Blackchild said:
Hi Masematn,I think Cruiserbox can speak and write good english.But the main issue is that he has the required qualification as ELECTRICAL DRAFTERS which is on their job list provided on the net.But he has been denied,in this case what can he do?
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Nobody knows why he is denied, but it might be because his high school requirement wasn't eligible and to obtain a license in the US you need to speak and read English well...I'm not sure how important math is for an electrician but to write an invoice you should now basic math....

If he can't proof more English and math in one yr he might be better of taking a longer course and start applying after that...A denyal can be a red flag for the next time around and he wants to be prepared....Unless a lawyer thinks he has a case to start which can cost a lot of money, this could be the end of the road...I'm sorry to say this....:(
 
Blackchild said:
Hi Masematn,I think Cruiserbox can speak and write good english.But the main issue is that he has the required qualification as ELECTRICAL DRAFTERS which is on their job list provided on the net.But he has been denied,in this case what can he do?
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If he could write proper English, he would spell q-u-a-l-i-f-i-c-a-t-i-o-n.
 
darkhorse said:
If he could write proper English, he would spell q-u-a-l-i-f-i-c-a-t-i-o-n.
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That was the same I was thinking! I wonder what would happen if I need a electrician over here and we would get some else done instead of the repair, due to the lack of English. The DV lotery has a point, selecting who could can succeed right away and who not. The rules are clear, and the OP can only sart to work on the thins stated by CP...I understand that it is a huge dissapointment but if he could have read the requirements better and understand it really well, you can see that you have to be able to read and write in English, since you need either 4 yrs of English and/or a certain job...but without being able to pass the license requirements, the person will not be able to work in the field.
 
bentlebee said:
without being able to pass the license requirements, the person will not be able to work in the field.
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Bentlebee, I fully agree that lack of English is a minus, but formally it is not a must. If you carefully look at the instructions, you'll see that education/experience is needed only to submit an application. At the interview one has to demonstrate his financial stability, and it is possible to do without any English at all. There are many countries all over the world where high school course does not include English at all, and you can also get a college degree without knowing English. And then you may either have cash or an affidavit of support to be eligible for a visa. Neither is related to the knowledge of English. It is the naturalization where you absolutely cannot make it without English, not the green card interview. Cruiserbox did not tell the forum anything about his financial situation, therefore it is hard to speculate about his case.
 
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