more surrender cert questions (Washington DC consulate)

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aparnas

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i asked this on the DC tracker thread and recd no replies.. perhaps that wasnt the place for one-off questions, so am posting here.

a) has anyone gone in person to the embassy to get the surrender certificate? do they issue it (along with the cancelled ppts) the same day? could you please share the details. thanks!

b) also, they specify that only the renunciation form (in duplicate) is to be notarized. are any of the document attachments to be notarized as well?

thanks in advance.
 
Fairfax/Wash DC dudes & dudettes -
Can some one share your experience here ?

also - what would the complete process be, now ?
I am a fresh US citizen - and I want to make sure that I get this right.
(God - thought the troubles are over once you become citizen, this looks like a never ending process)
 
Hi linuxrox,
That is good to know that it is documented now ..... atleast to avoid the delays in mailing et al... and not being told to "Mail" ONLY.... No in-person services...

The instructions in the link does not say anything about US passport....... But the PDF document http://www.indianembassy.org/newsite/consular/Renunciation form.pdf mentions Photocopy of US passport as item# 3 in the "Documents Required" section. Could it be for folks who do have not yet applied for their passports, but need to get this SC done within 90 days of Naturalization?.... They can submit NC if they don't have passport....... Maybe...

Hi aparnas,
As you visited the DC office recently, can you help us with some information please?
1. Were you asked to provide a copy of the entire US passport for each applicant?
2. Did you fill out the second part of the PDF that is titled "Surrender Certificate" or is it for the embassy staff to fill that out?
3. Did you submit a notarized copy of your "Naturalization Certificate" or just a regular photocopy?
4. The birth place details.... (Tehsil, District, State and Country) is challgening to fill out in Adobe.... I guess you wrote it by hand....

Thanks in advance for your time,
V!
 
Looks like the DC branch is also catching up with the latest fees for SC...

http://www.indianembassy.org/newsite/Renunciation.asp

Renunciation of Indian citizenship:


"Persons of Indian origin who have already acquired foreign citizenship uptil 31 May 2010 will not be required to pay renunciation fees of USD 175.00, he/she will be required to pay Miscellanous fees of USD 20.00 when getting the old Indian ppt cancelled/surrendered.

In future those Indian citizens who acquire foreign citizenship on or after june 1 2010will have to submit declaration of renunciation of their Indian citizenship form and fees of USD 175.00"

Not sure if those folks who got their NC before May-31-2010 should submit the SC form or use "Miscellaneous Form"...
 
From today's updated instructions in the DC site... it looks like the same renunciation form can be used for both categories.... (Pre and Post June-01-2010). In fact, they have posted a new version of the PDF that does not have the checklist section in it...... avoiding more confusion.....

If the applicant has NOT renounced their Indian citizenship, or does not have proof, the following must be provided:

o Two (2) copies of the completed renunciation form. The application for renunciation may be made on the form in the embassy/consulate of appropriate jurisdiction. If the application is submitted at counter the form should be signed in person. If application is sent by post the signature should be notarized and an additional check of USD 20/- may be sent for mailing charges.

o Renunciation fee of $175 (for those who acquired foreign citizenship on or after June 1 2010 ) or $20 (for those who acquired foreign citizenship until 31 May 2010 ) with a separate Money Order payable to 'Embassy of India'.

o Copy of the Naturalization Certificate. For minors who were not issued naturalization certificates, the parents must write a statement that the minors citizenship was obtained through the parents, and provide a copy of the parents naturalization certificate.

o Most recent Indian passport that was issued in India/abroad. Applicant must provide photocopies of the first three pages of the passport and the last two pages of the passport. In case passport has been lost, a police report must be filed which specifically mentions loss of passport and submit the same.
 
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Renunciation

if I am sending my Indian Passport only to get it cancelled, which address should I mail the renunciation form. I haven't applied for PIO, OCI or entry visa yet. I am planning to do it sometime later.
 
I sent it to the same address as OCI Cell - marked on the envelopes as "ceretificate of renunciation request". Sent on June 16th - awaiting response from Indian Embassy, D.C
 
Same day SC

linuxrox said:
I sent it to the same address as OCI Cell - marked on the envelopes as "ceretificate of renunciation request". Sent on June 16th - awaiting response from Indian Embassy, D.C
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Any one has experiences with Washington DC same day SC process, please help.

website says no same day processing for SC and expect delays in processing.

How can ppl travel to India without SC ?

Do they need to wait for SC and then go?
 
rmandiga,
From reading these posts, I believe there is only one person aparnas who went to the DC office and got the SC done in person - alteast there is only one person who has posted in the forum. But, it was not given on the same day still. I believe it was given the next day or couple of days later.

I tried going in person and was not able to submit my application itself as they gave a weird explanation that "SC can be applied in person only if we have applied for PIO/OCI"...... It is not that clear in their website instruction, however.... That is not surprising - given their track record....

Good luck,
V!!
 
gc4us said:
rmandiga,
From reading these posts, I believe there is only one person aparnas who went to the DC office and got the SC done in person - alteast there is only one person who has posted in the forum. But, it was not given on the same day still. I believe it was given the next day or couple of days later.

I tried going in person and was not able to submit my application itself as they gave a weird explanation that "SC can be applied in person only if we have applied for PIO/OCI"...... It is not that clear in their website instruction, however.... That is not surprising - given their track record....

Good luck,
V!!
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yes, i was asked to come a few days later as they categorically told me they would not do it same day.
 
aparnas-
can you please tell us what time you went to collect your SC ?
Did you apply in person to them or did you MAIL it in ?
If I sent SC as a stand-alone application (I havent yet applied for OCI) - do I stand a chance of getting any kind of response from the embassy if i go in person ?
what time would be the best if I intend to go in person to the embassy for requesting status ?
(and we thought dealing with USCIS was tough)
 
linuxrox said:
aparnas-
can you please tell us what time you went to collect your SC ?
Did you apply in person to them or did you MAIL it in ?

what time would be the best if I intend to go in person to the embassy for requesting status ?
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they take applications from 9.30 am to 12 or 12.30. so i went first thing in the morning with the SC form and supporting docs, went into the basement area where they accept applications (for ppt/renewal etc). there was a long line of people and a person in line told me thats how it always is.
then they issue stuff (ppt/renewal etc) from 4.30 to i think 5.30. so i was there at about 4.30.

linuxrox said:
If I sent SC as a stand-alone application (I havent yet applied for OCI) - do I stand a chance of getting any kind of response from the embassy if i go in person ?
(and we thought dealing with USCIS was tough)
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there's no way to know what response you'll get. i just took a chance, thinking worst case at least i will get to know what that day's rules are. there's absolutely no parking there so taking the metro from MD 'burbs was a huge nuisance, but i was fed up. good luck with what you decide.
 
Aparnas - thanks for the info.
Some questions - so 2536 massachusetts ave nw is the address correct?
This is like 1 mile from Dupont Circle Metro - is that whatt you used as your base station?
Is it sufficient if I am there at 9.00 am one of the days next week ?
I intend to go one of the days next week - and ask them whats going on.
 
linuxrox said:
Aparnas - thanks for the info.
Some questions - so 2536 massachusetts ave nw is the address correct?
This is like 1 mile from Dupont Circle Metro - is that whatt you used as your base station?
Is it sufficient if I am there at 9.00 am one of the days next week ?
I intend to go one of the days next week - and ask them whats going on.
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yes, thats the address.
yes, i went till dupont circle and then just walked till 2536 mass ave, takes about 10 min. there are also buses (n4, n6 and n8 i think) that ply up and down mass ave if you prefer.

do pls check the timings on their website - i would hate to give you wrong info. i would say plan to arrive at dupont stn about 30 mins before they open.
good luck!

theres another thing i remembered: when i arrived there with my draft for 370 (175 was the earlier canc fee for myself and my husband plus the 20 mailing charge) the person at the counter said since i had to come and pick up the SC there was no need for the mailing charges and that the embassy cannot accept more than the exact charges. so i rushed back to dupont circle to a bofa branch, made another draft and went back to the embassy. the reason i am telling you this is not to confuse you about charges - since they may have changed the rules since then - but to be WELL prepared for curveballs. take all the docs they ask for and copies etc, go well prepared, there is nothing near the embassy - no kinkos no atm no post office. everything is near dupont circle.
 
thanks a lot aparna - point being I already DESPATCHED the "renunciation application" for self and wife on June 16th to the OCI Cell.
Am going there with the USPS express mail slip, tracking info which shows who signed for the app - as I already sent the indian passport and the renunciation forms with $20 each fees.
Basically going there to ask them "WHEN" they are going to send the renunciation forms with passports back to us.
Shall keep this forum posted on what happens there!
 
Alright - made a customary visit to the DC consulate - basement :) with that small TV blaring B4U music ..(doesnt it remind you of the bombay-pune highway dhabas?)
Took the number and waited - not bad i guess, only like 40 minutes of waiting.
I explain her that I mailed in the renunciation form and need status check - she said there are hundreds of them pending - it could take 6-7 weeks - so dont worry, it will come sometime.

So guys - DONT SEND the renunciation form separately. Do what APARNA did - go hand it over in person and pick it up in like 4-5 days, or MAIL it in with the OCI application.
Now i am back to waiting ...
 
linuxrox,
Thanks for the updates after your visit to the consulate.....
Sorry to hear about the current "Delayed" state of the application...... The response from the consulate sounds horrible..... 6 to 7 weeks...??????? Looking at the processing time of OCI of other users in this thread.... the entire OCI application takes that same amount of time....

Hope they send it sooner than that...

Good luck,
V!
 
linuxrox said:
- it could take 6-7 weeks - so dont worry, it will come sometime.
hand it over in person and pick it up in like 4-5 days
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6-7 weeks more? that really sucks.

i dont think that going there was key, i think the timing might have been better, thats all. if someone went to the embassy and gave their SC request did they say it would take less time? highly doubt it.
 
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