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honeybee

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Moderators,

Recently, there have been a lot of personal attacks on very good contributing people like Kashmir. I would request you to please delete those threads immediately and block the users. Day before yesterday, there was a thread that was attacking India.

All these deraogatory remarks and these kinds of threads are not only pushing us into fights, but also deviating us from our fight against backlog.

If some people on this forum are not interested in immigration matters, they should be blocked so that interest for others could be served.

I appreciate your help in this matter.

Thanks,
-Honeybee
 
honeybee said:
Moderators,

Recently, there have been a lot of personal attacks on very good contributing people like Kashmir. I would request you to please delete those threads immediately and block the users. Day before yesterday, there was a thread that was attacking India.

All these deraogatory remarks and these kinds of threads are not only pushing us into fights, but also deviating us from our fight against backlog.

If some people on this forum are not interested in immigration matters, they should be blocked so that interest for others could be served.

I appreciate your help in this matter.

Thanks,
-Honeybee
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Hi:

From what I saw over the weekend, most of the deregatory stuff came from one user "badcredit"
I would probably just add them to my ignore list.

Censoring such views by deleting posts probably won't do any good.
Atleast now people here are aware of idiots like badcredit, and they just start "kill-filing" him .... works much better that way :)
 
All the non I485 threads should better be moved to Unrelated Sub Forum. I wonder why the moderators did not do it till now. People can continue interesting discussions there without affecting the main traffic.
 
Just in case people forget we have a history of allowing unrelated posts to exist side by side with immigration related threads without movement to the unrelated threads subforum.

Please allow me to make my point of view very clear:
1. EVERYONE regardless of the fact they are junior or senior members, gets a chance to speak. No matter how controversial the topic.
2. PERSONAL attacks should not WILL NOT be allowed.
3. I absolutely LOATHE deletion of threads or posts, because I feel it is insulting to the poster to see his/her view deleted without due cause, warning or the opportunity to do so on their own.

The above are the ground rules that I try to follow. As far as why the threads started by badcredit were not deleted or moved:
1. I think Kashmir and Ruxrux are doing a terrific job, but if people have some concerns about it, rather than pushing it under the carpet, I would prefer these people to air their views so they can be convinced otherwise, or atleast understand the reasons behind Kashmir and Ruxrux's thinking. There were a couple of people who seemed to agree with badcredit, and there might be a bigger silent bunch of people who agree to their point of view. Effective communication will only help us get stronger, not weaker.
2. I wanted to give badcredit the opportunity to delete the threads himself, and that was EXACTLY what he did.

Kudos to Kashmir for excercising restraint in not deleting the threads. I think you made a very wise decision, and that can only go to futher enhance your reputation. Usage of power is not something that should be taken lightly, and by your actions you have proved yourself to be the bigger man.

To the people who are asking for deletion of threads, please hear this:
1. There is an ignore option that allows you to skip all unpleasant people/threads that you might want to use.
2. Toleration is a good thing, you never know, sometimes the things you post might be just as annoying to others, would you like to see yourself banned or your threads/posts deleted?

Moderators,

If this is an issue that you disagree with me, please feel free to go by your own personal rules. The above is something I feel strongly about, but if you want we could come up with ground rules, like a minimum number of complaints you receive about a thread/post, which needs to be crossed before a thread/post is marked for deletion. There is an option that allows users to mark posts they find offensive, and we all get emails when that happens. So if we get more than a certain number of complaints about a post/thread, we can delete the post/thread.
 
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Well I'm one of the moderators though I'm not actively posting.

I feel the same way as 104_takes_4ever about every post and I think one should respect others views, but personal attacks are no, no.

I think by not participating in such threads under discusison I can be an outsider of the discussion and I may be able to view in couple of days the direction of these threads and take any action if necessary.

Any how I think things are taken care of :-).

Keep the forum healthy people. Let this forum serve its purpose.
 
I see some self contradiction in the approach of the moderators (my good friends). Personal attacks are always a NO NO and if you agree with that then there is no place for threads with the title contains derogatory comments on one of the users. There is no need to give culprits a chance after it is clearly established that he is a culprit. Set the rules and follow them strictly. If you have a rule of not allowing personal attacks, then you should delete such threads immediately and send a private message to the user to act decently.
 
dsatish said:
I see some self contradiction in the approach of the moderators (my good friends). Personal attacks are always a NO NO and if you agree with that then there is no place for threads with the title contains derogatory comments on one of the users. There is no need to give culprits a chance after it is clearly established that he is a culprit. Set the rules and follow them strictly. If you have a rule of not allowing personal attacks, then you should delete such threads immediately and send a private message to the user to act decently.
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Culprit? I am sure you don't know what you are talking about. I believe these are not the words that should come off a board member of immigrationportal.org.

First it was Kashmir who called people who did not contribute as Stupid. Then you use the word culprit. Now tell me is a personal attack more dangerous than an attack on the whole community.

I know my posts may have been harsh, but I don't think it was obscene.

Anyway I deleted it, cause it was going out of control and most of the people who replied called me names and did not try to think what I was saying (whether my posts were right or wrong). I really don't care about me being called names, cause it is a forum.

One thing is for sure. By forcing people to delete non-obscene threads, you are closing avenues for criticism of the moderators and board members. It's like asking the democrats to shut up and sing praises for the republicans. moderators and board members may be angels and saints, but in a democracy, you need an opposition to keep check. Whether it is my business or not to sit in the opposition is a different question and is open for members to discuss.
 
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Hi, badcredit,

Do you want to reopen your threads and move back to this forum again ?
I can do that for you if you really want, and I don't mind.
Let me know.
 
dsatish said:
I see some self contradiction in the approach of the moderators (my good friends). Personal attacks are always a NO NO and if you agree with that then there is no place for threads with the title contains derogatory comments on one of the users. There is no need to give culprits a chance after it is clearly established that he is a culprit. Set the rules and follow them strictly. If you have a rule of not allowing personal attacks, then you should delete such threads immediately and send a private message to the user to act decently.
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dsatish,

Don't really see the contradiction you speak off. If you read my reasons for not deleting the thread, I have clearly mentioned, that in MY opinion this topic seemed to be one that needed to be discussed, and deleting it out of hand would be clamping the lid on the view point of quite a few members. I think we are stronger for allowing the discussion to take place as compared to shutting it down. Though, I did go into some of the posts that I felt were out of hand to comment out the excessive bits. I did send a pm to badcredit to see if I could sort this issue.

Once again, as I explained above, I detest this over zealous approach to moderation. The demarkation line between repression and maintaining the peace of the forum is really thin. We are all well educated adults here, I am sure that with the majority of us, a brief note/explanation usually leads to amicable resolution of issues.

The concept behind moderation is to excercise powers in moderation, Deletion/editing posts is the last resort (in my opinion) and I am glad that Kashmir and RK4GC believe in the same.

Personally I don't see anything wrong in the way the matter was handled, either by Kashmir, or me. Offcourse you are free to disagree. This is a free forum after all. :)

badcredit,

When dsatish used the word culprit, I don't think he attached any blame, but implied it more as the perpetrator of the matter under discussion. This is analogous to the word defendent in law suits. So don't blow a fuse on semantics.

The reason behind the heavy criticism that you have come in for is mostly due to your choice of words to describe Kashmir and Ruxrux. I am sure if you reflect on it, you could have used different words and sparked a good debate as compared to initiating an acrimonious discussion which did nothing to address the issues at hand.
 
kashmir said:
Hi, badcredit,

Do you want to reopen your threads and move back to this forum again ?
I can do that for you if you really want, and I don't mind.
Let me know.
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Kashmir,
If at all you reopen those threads, which is OK, may be you should keep them where they are as they dont belong here. Just a suggestion.

I think we should move even this thread to "Unrelated Threads Subforum".
 
kashmir said:
Do you want to reopen your threads and move back to this forum again ?
I can do that for you if you really want, and I don't mind.
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A truly generous offer from a big hearted man but please do not bring those threads back.

That discussion was extremely acrimonious. I dont think we need to take it anywhere. If required, badcredit can always open a new thread calling into question the practise of soliciting funds for ip.org, or even to question the futility of ip.org. But reopening those threads is a bad idea.
 
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