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Medical exam question for Tazmania or anybody that can help

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To begin with,

Great forum. Saves a lot of people a lot of money. Boy, let me tell ya, I went to two different immigration lawyers regarding this case, spend $200 and both told me completely different things (one lawyer insisted that AOS was much faster, he probably wanted my money :eek:). I currently reside in the US by the way.

Well, here is the issue: Taz, I saw that you (and others) wrote that the medical HAS to be done in your home country if you choose to do CP and it can't be done in the US. I will do the CP in Germany. I already completed a medical here in the US a couple of weeks ago. Now, I don't understand the logic behind it.....why would an immigration physician in the US be less credible to US officials then an immigration physician in Germany? They use the exact same forms (I-693), and the US immigration physician gave me the results in a sealed envelope. Furthermore, if I was to do AOS, I would also use an immigration physician in the US. I guess I don't understand the logic. Since I am in the middle of working on an MBA, the less time I have to spend in Germany (and miss class) and of course the less money I have to spend (medical cost me $300 here) the better it is. Not even to mention that I would have to drive 3.5 hours each way twice (so four times total) in order to get to an immigration physician in Germany. To make it short, I would hate to take another medical in Germany if I don't have to. :)

So, here is the question: where did you Taz or anybody else get the information that the US medical (from an official immigration physician in the US) is not sufficient? Please let me know if there is an official statement somewhere that verifies this. It would really like to avoid missing too many classes, driving 3.5 hours four times for the medical and spending more money on something that I don't need.

If anybody knows the answer to this question for a fact, please let me know. Thank you all very much for your help!

Good luck to everybody!
 
Thanks for the reply! However, I did not find a link within the webpage that you hyperlinked that would answer my question. Again, I went to an official civil surgeon here in the US. They use the I-693 form like the panel physicians use overseas. The civil surgeons here in the US are required to seal the envelope and a civil surgeon would be used if you would want to do AOS for example.

The reason that they have panel physicians overseas in the first place is to ensure that they have a couple of docs overseas that work with the US government (and that have the I-693 form) so they can insure conformity among medical examinations around the world.

However since I am currently present in the US I don't understand why a medical examination here in the US by an official civil surgeon (listed on the USCIS webpage) would not be accepted. If that was the case then technically I would have to go back home to Germany to do a medical examination even if I was to do AOS, right? But that would defeat the AOS purpose.

I am just going by common sense, however as we all know bureaucracy does not always go hand in hand with common sense. :)

I read a couple of times here on the board that if you want to do CP, you have to do the medical back home even if you reside in the US. Anybody has an idea of where that is officially stated? Or does anybody have any personal experience with it?

Thank you all very much for taking your time to read this novel :) If anybody knows for a fact, please let me know. Thanks again!
 
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Lucy,

I pasted a threat below in which you said that you have to do the medical exam in your home country even if you complete the medical by an official civil surgeon. What makes you believe this?

Thanks so much Lucy!




Hello ! I have already done by medical exams in the US, and a civil surgeon already filled out the I 693 for me. Is that OK ? Or will I be required to still redo the same thing at a recommended doctor in France ? I did it first in hte US because i was thinking I would adjust status in the US.
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Old 6th March 2008, 02:30 AM
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From what I know, you must do the medical in the country where you do CP.
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Old 6th March 2008, 03:00 PM


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Tazmania is right. But you can bring proof of vaccinations with you...
 
I know, exaclty my point!

I know! I know that if you do AOS a US civil surgeon would be just fine. That's exactly my point! I wanted to point out that it does not make sense that for AOS a US civil surgeon is sufficient but for CP it is not. I wrote: "If that was the case".......and I doubt that it is the case. :confused:

I don't know how else I can put my question to make it clearer. Well let's give it a try:

If they accept medicals from official immigration US civil surgeons for AOS (listed on the USCIS web page) why would they not accept medicals from official US immigration civil surgeons for CP? Taz, you wrote that even if you have done a medical with a civil surgeon in the US you still need to do a medical examination in your home country .....which does not make sense to me. I went to an official civil surgeon in the US (which I chose from the USCIS webpage) which filled out the I-693 form for me and sealed the results in an official envelope. Why would I have to go to another physician in Germany? I makes no sense, however like I said bureaucracy oftentimes does not make sense.

I was just wondering if you have had personal experience with it or if (and where) you have officially read that you HAVE to do the medical in your home country if you do CP (even if you have already done a medical in the US with an official civil surgeon). Please let me know where you got this information from.

Thanks so much again Taz! Your help is surely appreciated.
 
klinsi said:
I know! I know that if you do AOS a US civil surgeon would be just fine. That's exactly my point! I wanted to point out that it does not make sense that for AOS a US civil surgeon is sufficient but for CP it is not. I wrote: "If that was the case".......and I doubt that it is the case. :confused:

I don't know how else I can put my question to make it clearer. Well let's give it a try:

If they accept medicals from official immigration US civil surgeons for AOS (listed on the USCIS web page) why would they not accept medicals from official US immigration civil surgeons for CP? Taz, you wrote that even if you have done a medical with a civil surgeon in the US you still need to do a medical examination in your home country .....which does not make sense to me. I went to an official civil surgeon in the US (which I chose from the USCIS webpage) which filled out the I-693 form for me and sealed the results in an official envelope. Why would I have to go to another physician in Germany? I makes no sense, however like I said bureaucracy oftentimes does not make sense.

I was just wondering if you have had personal experience with it or if (and where) you have officially read that you HAVE to do the medical in your home country if you do CP (even if you have already done a medical in the US with an official civil surgeon). Please let me know where you got this information from.

Thanks so much again Taz! Your help is surely appreciated.
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I can see what u mean and it certainly dosen't make sense if thats the case. i really haven't heard from anyone who said they had to redo the whole heath stuff again after they had the I-693 completed here in the states by an official surgeon
 
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Oh no...what can I say, Taz and Lucy were right. I contacted the consulate overseas and they said that the medical has to be done in your home country EVEN if you have already completed the medical at an official civil surgeon in the US (and they filled out the I-693 form for you and sealed the results). Go figure......:eek:

Boy....it sure does not make any sense to me. They are indirectly saying that they trust the physicians overseas more than the official civil surgeons in the US. It sure complicates things for me. Now I have to take additional time off my job in the US (=lost money), pay for a second medical in Germany, drive to the doctor four times (back and forth) and miss about three weeks of classes (which is deadly for an MBA class). But hey....as long as I get the GC in the end, I am a happy camper. Keep my fingers crossed. :)

Thanks to everybody that took the time to read this threat. You all are great!
 
klinsi said:
Oh no...what can I say, Taz and Lucy were right. I contacted the consulate overseas and they said that the medical has to be done in your home country EVEN if you have already completed the medical at an official civil surgeon in the US (and they filled out the I-693 form for you and sealed the results). Go figure......:eek:

Boy....it sure does not make any sense to me. They are indirectly saying that they trust the physicians overseas more than the official civil surgeons in the US. It sure complicates things for me. Now I have to take additional time off my job in the US (=lost money), pay for a second medical in Germany, drive to the doctor four times (back and forth) and miss about three weeks of classes (which is deadly for an MBA class). But hey....as long as I get the GC in the end, I am a happy camper. Keep my fingers crossed. :)

Thanks to everybody that took the time to read this threat. You all are great!
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i think they do that just to make sure that u actually did the medical exam with an approved surgeon. it might be hard for them to verify the doctor who is in the US but if u should use the doctor that they recommend in Germany, then they will know when the doctors signature or anything is forged. i don't know if that makes sense to ya.
 
I suppose that could be one of the reasons. However keep in mind that even the official civil surgeons in the US can be easily found on the USCIS webpage. So they could easily verify whether or not the doctor I went to is an officially recognized immigration physician. If in doubt, they could even call the physician, since the civil surgeons are supposed to keep your records on file in case any questions/concerns come up. Plus it would be mighty hard to forge the signature, the stamp, official blood test results and the x-ray that they took.

But I think you are right. They probably do not want to go through the hassle of checking whether or not somebody did go to an official civil surgeon. Just one more thing for them to worry about.
 
I do believe that form I-693 is only used in the US, since the designation I is only used by USCIS. All of the DOS forms have a designation DS, so I doubt that a panel physician will be using a I-693 form abroad. Instead, they use DS-2053 and associated worksheets DS-3024, DS-3025, and DS-3026. If you looked though the info in the link I provided, you would have found that info right there on that page.

The instructions for panel physicians and for civil surgeons are different, so one would assume that there is a difference in a medical exam as well.

For my AOS exam, the nurse drew blood, took my temperature, and listened to my heart. They wrote down my vaccination records. That was it.

in other countries, besides all of the above, they make you strip to your undies, question you about every scar on your body, your surgeries, your non-communicable diseases, chronic illnesses, etc.
 
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