Math qsn!! how do you subtract 30 from a date?

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For simplicity stake, say you can apply for citizenship 30 days before your GC, which, say is 7/15.

What is 7/15 minus 30 days?
Is it 6/15?
Or is it 6/16? (Assuming you count both 6/16 and 7/15)?
I.e should you sign it AT MOST by 6/16 earliest?
 
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For simplicity stake, say you can apply for citizenship 30 days before your GC, which, say is 7/15.

What is 7/15 minus 30 days?
Is it 6/15?
Or is it 6/16? (Assuming you count both 6/16 and 7/15)?
I.e should you sign it AT MOST by 6/16 earliest?

better to keep it 28 days -- always subtract 2 days from 30 or 90 --
 
To keep it simple ... for the "90 days before completion of 5 years" calculation, just count back 3 months, then add a week. That will land you somewhere 83-85 days before the 5-year mark, depending on which months are involved. It is inadvisable to apply exactly on the 90th day, as USCIS sometimes miscounts by a day or two and wrongly rejects the application. So by counting back 3 months and then adding a week, the result is simple to calculate in your head and you'll provide yourself with a buffer of a few days to protect yourself from their miscounting.
 
For simplicity stake, say you can apply for citizenship 30 days before your GC, which, say is 7/15.

What is 7/15 minus 30 days?
Is it 6/15?
Or is it 6/16? (Assuming you count both 6/16 and 7/15)?
I.e should you sign it AT MOST by 6/16 earliest?

Microsoft Excel has a date function. You can enter a formula =Cell-30 where cell contains the date and this will give you the right answer (Excel automatically tracks number of days in a month and leap years)
 
To keep it simple ... for the "90 days before completion of 5 years" calculation, just count back 3 months, then add a week. That will land you somewhere 83-85 days before the 5-year mark, depending on which months are involved. It is inadvisable to apply exactly on the 90th day, as USCIS sometimes miscounts by a day or two and wrongly rejects the application. So by counting back 3 months and then adding a week, the result is simple to calculate in your head and you'll provide yourself with a buffer of a few days to protect yourself from their miscounting.

There also seems to be controversy about whether the application date
is the date you signed and mailed the N400 form or the date the USCIS received it or even the date the USCIS set up a priority date. It seems
many in order to file as early as possible mailed the application 2 days
before the eligibale day thinking it takes 2 days for USPS to send
the letter to the USCIS
 
There also seems to be controversy about whether the application date
is the date you signed and mailed the N400 form or the date the USCIS received it or even the date the USCIS set up a priority date. It seems
many in order to file as early as possible mailed the application 2 days
before the eligibale day thinking it takes 2 days for USPS to send
the letter to the USCIS
Yes ... people have had their application rejected when the signing date or postmark date is before the 90th day, even though the application arrived at USCIS after the 90th day.

USCIS is supposed to look at the arrival date, but they aren't consistent with that, so it is advisable to ensure that the signing date and the postmark date are both after the 90th day, in order to protect yourself from their inconsistency and incompetence.
 
USCIS is supposed to look at the arrival date, but they aren't consistent with that, so it is advisable to ensure that the signing date and the postmark date are both after the 90th day, in order to protect yourself from their inconsistency and incompetence.

What if one signs the date which is not actualy the date on the day he signs?

If one sign and send out the application today and he predict the application
will arrive at USCIS on July 29, can he sign "29Jul2009" even today
is actually 27 July? I got a felling that many do that.
 
What if one signs the date which is not actualy the date on the day he signs?

If one sign and send out the application today and he predict the application
will arrive at USCIS on July 29, can he sign "29Jul2009" even today
is actually 27 July? I got a felling that many do that.
That person could get in trouble either by USCIS looking at the July 27 postmark and rejecting it for being too early (if July 27 is before day 90), or if USCIS works it out logically and realizes that the signing date is a lie because it could not have been signed on the 29th if it was delivered at USCIS on the 29th itself. (however I don't know any actual instances of that last scenario occurring)
 
That person could get in trouble either by USCIS looking at the July 27 postmark and rejecting it for being too early (if July 27 is before day 90), or if USCIS works it out logically and realizes that the signing date is a lie because it could not have been signed on the 29th if it was delivered at USCIS on the 29th itself. (however I don't know any actual instances of that last scenario occurring)

I actually think the USCIS may throw the envelop rigth away and only keep
the contents inside the envelope using USCIS's own folder or document container. Otherwise what happen to those who sent multiple applications in one big envelope?
 
I actually think the USCIS may throw the envelop rigth away and only keep
the contents inside the envelope using USCIS's own folder or document container. Otherwise what happen to those who sent multiple applications in one big envelope?
Their data entry folks might type the postmark date into the system before throwing away the envelope. Where I used to work that's what they did -- they recorded the postmark date (if the envelope has one) and the received date in the system.
 
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