LATEST COMPROMISE IMMIGRATION BILL ( Look at visa numbers)

Shakti Kapoor

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Bob Stevenson (202)
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Hagel/Martinez Amendment Summary

Background:
The Hagel/Martinez Substitute contains all the provisions of the Specter Amendment -
including the border security, interior security and employer enforcement provisions from
the Frist bill - but makes the following 3 changes:
1. It proposes an alternative to Title VI, Subtitle A of the Specter substitute
(which deals with the illegal population living in the U.S.)
2. It temporarily increases the number of employment based green cards
from 290,000 (as in the Specter Substitute) to 450,000. This increase from
290,000 to 450,000 would sunset after ten years.
3. It would give mid-term illegal immigrants (defined below) priority in
applying for green cards over future immigrants entering as temporary
workers.

The Hagel/Martinez Amendment is based on legislation (S.1919) introduced by Senator
Hagel in October 2005.

Provisions for Long-Term Illegal Immigrants:
The Hagel/Martinez Amendment provides an opportunity for illegal immigrants who
have been in the U.S. more than 5 years to adjust to legal status without leaving the
country. Any illegal immigrant seeking to adjust to legal status under this program must
first meet all of the following 8 requirements:

1. Passed national security and criminal background checks
2. Resided in the U.S. for at least 5 years;
3. Worked a minimum of 3 years of the last 5 in the U.S.;
4. Paid all federal and state taxes;
5. Registered for Military Selective Service;
6. Demonstrated knowledge of English language and American civics
requirements;
7. Paid a $2,000 fine, in addition to required application fees.
8. Work for an additional 6 years after enactment to ensure that their status is
not adjusted before those who are already in line.

Provisions for Mid-Term Illegal Immigrants:
* The Hagel/Martinez Amendment also provides an opportunity for illegal
immigrants who have been here less than 5 but more than 2 years to obtain
a temporary work visa.
* These individuals would be subject to the visa requirements under current
law (background checks, fees, paid taxes) and the requirements of the new
temporary worker program created in the Specter substitute.
* Under the Amendment, these individuals would be required to exit the
country.
* These immigrants would be fingerprinted and processed through the US-
VISIT program at a land port of entry.
* Qualified individuals would be able to adjust to legal status over time and
would be subject to the annual cap on green cards as increased in the
Specter substitute. As noted above, they would be given priority in
applying for green cards over future immigrants entering as temporary
workers.

Provisions for Short-term Illegal Immigrants:
* The Hagel/Martinez Amendment would bestow no benefits on any illegal
immigrant who arrived in the last 2 years.
* Those here less than two years would be required to return to home and
only then could apply for a temporary worker visa once back in their home
country.
* This is the same treatment as provided under the Specter Substitute
amendment.

Line-jumping:
* Like the Specter substitute, the Hagel/Martinez Amendment requires
illegal immigrants to go to the back of the line.

Key Differences between Hagel/Martinez and the Specter Substitute:
1. The Specter substitute allows almost all of the 11-12 million illegal who
are here illegally to stay in the U.S. and adjust to legal status (green
cards). The Specter substitute does not take into consideration how long
these individuals have been in the U.S.

The Hagel/Martinez Amendment only allows the illegal who have been
here more than 5 years to stay in the U.S. and adjust to legal status. Those
who have been here less than 5 years but more than two years would be
required to exit the country and return through the a land port of entry with
a visa.

2. The Specter substitute provides a direct path to citizenship for every
illegal immigrant living within our borders.

The Hagel/Martinez Amendment creates a separate path for illegal
immigrants who have been here less than 5 but more than 2 years. These
individuals would have to meet the requirements of the new temporary
worker program first. Over time, qualified individuals would have the
chance to become citizens. The annual cap for green cards as defined in
the Specter bill would apply.

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06-146
 
Doesn't seem too bad. Let's pray that atleast we get something for Legal immigrants (if not everything). The proposed increase (if passed) in EB numbers to 450,000 may reduce some retrogression.
 
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So what this means is that even if the EB numbers are increased to 10 million there is no hope for legal immigrants.

This is called politics. And we thought Laloo was bad.

This sucks....

neo
 
Think about it in a positive way...if India gets 10% of this, its better than 10% of 290000....the only country which would be screwed up is Mexico....India might actually get benefitted from this...

Shakti
 
>the only country which would be screwed up is Mexico...

Not if you compare which country has the most EB3 (employment based) cases pending.

Only the illegals are the ones who will be in line for a loooonnnng time. The legals won't.
 
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so assuming india gets 54000 (10% of 540000 total#)
how many Immigrants will be available for EB1, EB2 & EB3?
Does this excludes family members?
I think we are not having any recapture from previous years. Is this correct?

Can someone please spell out the numbers that will be available for each category?
 
Remember when this is enacted in to law, legals will get a big lift.
First of all the increase was made to accomodate the temporary workers who want to convert into PR and it makes sense. These folks will not participate in the program right away and they have to go back to end of the current backlogged line. What will happen is the legal queue will move fast as there will be a lot of supply than the demand. This is good news across legal immigration.
 
I dont know the real impact of the proposed change. But my opinion is there will be atleast 8-10 times increase in the supply of visas. This means the PD movement will be about 8-10 times faster than the current PD movement. Lets say if they move one month PD every month, it will be about 8-10 months PD movement every month.

mydearcard said:
so assuming india gets 54000 (10% of 540000 total#)
how many Immigrants will be available for EB1, EB2 & EB3?
Does this excludes family members?
I think we are not having any recapture from previous years. Is this correct?

Can someone please spell out the numbers that will be available for each category?
 
Shakti Kapoor said:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Bob Stevenson (202)


Provisions for Long-Term Illegal Immigrants:
I should have just crossed the border instead
The Hagel/Martinez Amendment provides an opportunity for illegal immigrants who
have been in the U.S. more than 5 years to adjust to legal status without leaving the
country. I went to my home country once in between, shucks Any illegal immigrant seeking to adjust to legal status under this program must
first meet all of the following 8 requirements:

1. Passed national security and criminal background checks
Does it take more time for legals to pass these checks?
2. Resided in the U.S. for at least 5 years;
almost 7 years
3. Worked a minimum of 3 years of the last 5 in the U.S.;
almost 7 years
4. Paid all federal and state taxes;
Sure, I did - did I make a mistake?
5. Registered for Military Selective Service;
I am registered for Milf service
6. Demonstrated knowledge of English language and American civics
requirements;
Better than most citizens at the language, however I did not understand the civics thing
7. Paid a $2,000 fine, in addition to required application fees.
I guess I do not have to pay, my company paid more than that on I-140, I-485, and a lot of EADs and APs already
8. Work for an additional 6 years after enactment to ensure that their status is
not adjusted before those who are already in line.
Hah, what about those who already got it ahead of me? Is the govt paying me restitution?

Over time, qualified individuals illegal immigrantswould have the
chance to become citizenscheatizens.

Over time, qualified legal immigrants have a fat chance to become green card holders(not even citizens!) if they agree to do janitorial work for atleast a month in a year and ensure that their status is not adjusted before the illegals.

Feel like you want to be an illegal ? Too late, buddy

06-146
 
What is exactly the time point to start count 5 years in US?

Since a bill will be voted in or date of introduction?
 
USA need illegals as cannon folder

One needs to read between the lines.
Registered for military service - the potential wars against "rogues states" need a lot of solders. Can you tech workers fight in the battle field? The politicians at DC do not offer amnesty for nothing.
Just take an example, if Iran is occupied, who will be sent there to maintain the order in the years to come?
Blood for Citizenship, fair enough IMO.
 
Well I believe the US Army and the Govt. already have an open program whereby if one enrolls for the deployment then they get a GC and educational aid and host of benefits I believe. They do not have to offer an amnesty for that. Atleast I am under this impression.

I read about an Indian student studying in US who took up a deployment in Iraq for these benefits. It was unfortunate that he lost his life in Iraq.



mummiezed said:
One needs to read between the lines.
Registered for military service - the potential wars against "rogues states" need a lot of solders. Can you tech workers fight in the battle field? The politicians at DC do not offer amnesty for nothing.
Just take an example, if Iran is occupied, who will be sent there to maintain the order in the years to come?
Blood for Citizenship, fair enough IMO.
 
If you force people to participate in military service, then it would be more like mercernaries than soldiers. To fight a war for a country, you have to believe in the country and have a deep sense of patriotism towards it. If they put the same clause in employment based categories, I have wasted my years in waiting for GC.


mummiezed said:
One needs to read between the lines.
Registered for military service - the potential wars against "rogues states" need a lot of solders. Can you tech workers fight in the battle field? The politicians at DC do not offer amnesty for nothing.
Just take an example, if Iran is occupied, who will be sent there to maintain the order in the years to come?
Blood for Citizenship, fair enough IMO.
 
BrainDrain said:
Well I believe the US Army and the Govt. already have an open program whereby if one enrolls for the deployment then they get a GC and educational aid and host of benefits I believe. They do not have to offer an amnesty for that. Atleast I am under this impression.

I read about an Indian student studying in US who took up a deployment in Iraq for these benefits. It was unfortunate that he lost his life in Iraq.

You can't join the US military without a green card. There are a few exceptions, but they are very limited. You do get citizenship very quickly (often takes only 1 year).

NN
 
Illegal and number of years

If one is illegal how will proove he has been here for more than 5 yrs.
I am sure everyone will try to show they have been here for more than 5 yrs and lawyers are going to help them out. This is going to be a big fraud .
 
They will have to prove their residency through mails addressed to them or utility bills etc.

GaramChai2go said:
If one is illegal how will proove he has been here for more than 5 yrs.
I am sure everyone will try to show they have been here for more than 5 yrs and lawyers are going to help them out. This is going to be a big fraud .
 
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