Labor Cert->I140; EB2...problems! Need help!

sky88

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Dear all..

Not sure if i post this under Labor Cert forum or I140 forum, feel free to move if this is not the right forum for this post. :)

After the crazy wait for 3++ yrs, I finally got my labor cert (RIR, PD: 9/24/2002;EB2), but just got an email from my lawyer saying that she is concern about the alternate minimum requirements on the labor cert. Instead of a "Master Degree or 4 yrs exp", the DOL intepreted my job requirements filed as "Master AND 4 yr exp". She is afraid that USCIS might knock my EB2 out and consider me for EB3 instead. I am still having difficulty understanding the whole thing (bcos I thought I have master and 4yrs exp during filling), but assuming the her concern is valid, USCIS might treat my case as EB3 not EB2, the following are my OPTIONS?

Option A
Proceed with concurrent filling of I140 and I485, and hope USCIS will accept my EB2. Assuming life is perfect and everything goes well...and I will get my green card in 6-8 months!?

BUT if they reject and say that's a EB3, then I will have to refile I140 and I485 again, waisted the money invested on I485 filling and medical exams. And even worst, with the current retrogression on EB3, I will have to WAIT FOREVER!!!

Option B
Proceed by filling I140 first, and if USCIS approves my EB2, then only file I485.

With this option, I will have to wait a bit longer (another 6 months more???), but in case they knock me out from EB2 to EB3 during I140 filling, at least I saved myself some money for not starting I485?! But...but, I will still have to deal with the nightmare of WAITING FOREVER under EB3.

Option C
Refile my labor cert for EB2 under PERM, which will cost more $$$ and time (at least another 6 months - ad, filling, and waiting?), but this will make sure I get a labor cert for EB2? And since visa numbers for EB2 is CURRENT, I can file I140 and I485 concurrently and get my GC faster? But my questions are:

1) how strong a case I have for a EB2? (i guess probably the my lawyer would know better?)

2) Will the TOTAL WAIT and PROCESSING TIME significantly longer than OPTION A and B???

3) I've been asking the lawyers for the past 1++ yr (after they started PERM) that if i should withdraw my labor cert filed under RIR, and refile it using PERM, but they were concerned that i might loose my priority date! But see, if I am under EB2 (not sure he knew though), that really wound't matter or hurt my overall waiting time severely (since visa numbers for EB2 was current) if i withdrawn, got a new priority date....etc, right? So if Option C was an option, then I could have taken it last year, instead of considering it now.


Can any expert and experienced pro here help me by providing some suggestions, ideas.....opinions..??? What do you think it's the BEST OPTION here?

Or do i have OTHER OPTIONS? :confused:

Sigh....so sick of waiting and waiting!!!

THANK IN ADVANCE for your help

Sky
 
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sky7
what is job opportunity primary requirements? is it masters and x number of experience, check to see if you fits in. EB2=Masters OR Bachelors Plus 5 years progressive work experience. hope this helps
Note i am not an attorney, it is just my opinion
 
sky7 said:
Dear all..

Not sure if i post this under Labor Cert forum or I140 forum, feel free to move if this is not the right forum for this post. :)

After the crazy wait for 3++ yrs, I finally got my labor cert (RIR, PD: 9/24/2002;EB2), but just got an email from my lawyer saying that she is concern about the alternate minimum requirements on the labor cert. Instead of a "Master Degree or 4 yrs exp", the DOL intepreted my job requirements filed as "Master AND 4 yr exp". She is afraid that USCIS might knock my EB2 out and consider me for EB3 instead. I am still having difficulty understanding the whole thing (bcos I thought I have master and 4yrs exp during filling), but assuming the her concern is valid, USCIS might treat my case as EB3 not EB2, the following are my OPTIONS?

Option A
Proceed with concurrent filling of I140 and I485, and hope USCIS will accept my EB2. Assuming life is perfect and everything goes well...and I will get my green card in 6-8 months!?

BUT if they reject and say that's a EB3, then I will have to refile I140 and I485 again, waisted the money invested on I485 filling and medical exams. And even worst, with the current retrogression on EB3, I will have to WAIT FOREVER!!!

Option B
Proceed by filling I140 first, and if USCIS approves my EB2, then only file I485.

With this option, I will have to wait a bit longer (another 6 months more???), but in case they knock me out from EB2 to EB3 during I140 filling, at least I saved myself some money for not starting I485?! But...but, I will still have to deal with the nightmare of WAITING FOREVER under EB3.

Option C
Refile my labor cert for EB2 under PERM, which will cost more $$$ and time (at least another 6 months - ad, filling, and waiting?), but this will make sure I get a labor cert for EB2? And since visa numbers for EB2 is CURRENT, I can file I140 and I485 concurrently and get my GC faster? But my questions are:

1) how strong a case I have for a EB2? (i guess probably the my lawyer would know better?)

2) Will the TOTAL WAIT and PROCESSING TIME significantly longer than OPTION A and B???

3) I've been asking the lawyers for the past 1++ yr (after they started PERM) that if i should withdraw my labor cert filed under RIR, and refile it using PERM, but they were concerned that i might loose my priority date! But see, if I am under EB2 (not sure he knew though), that really wound't matter or hurt my overall waiting time severely (since visa numbers for EB2 was current) if i withdrawn, got a new priority date....etc, right? So if Option C was an option, then I could have taken it last year, instead of considering it now.


Can any expert and experienced pro here help me by providing some suggestions, ideas.....opinions..??? What do you think it's the BEST OPTION here?

Or do i have OTHER OPTIONS? :confused:

Sigh....so sick of waiting and waiting!!!

THANK IN ADVANCE for your help

Sky
These are things I would suggest.

-Get a copy of eta-750 and go through with it another attorney. Based on this things may become more clear. Ask this question at Sheela Murthy's monday chat.

- You should file for I-140 with this labor and hope for best. If you enough funds upgrade to Premium I-140 whenever it is available.

- From your wording for EB-2 current, it seems like you are "World" category. If your company agrees then definitely file PERM in EB-2 ad zoom through.
 
Thanks all for the feedbacks.

I spoke to my lawyer, she explained to me that bcos the DOL intepreted that my position needs to meet " primary" or "alternate requirements" and for some reason, the alternate requirement is substantially lower than the primary - ie anyone with that alternate qualification can fill my position (not sure if the lawyer actually filed the wrong requirements..of course they will NEVER admit!). That's why she is afraid that the immigration will come back and say this is an EB3 not a EB2.

So she suggested we proceed with I140 with EB2. And wait till it gets approved, then only we file I485! (sigh). Based on the latest Q in Nebraska processing center (lawyer said most applications are sent to Nebraska instead of Vermount), the center is currently processing Jan 2006. So, can I assume my I140 will take approx 6 months? So in my case, I will only know and able to file I485 at least after 6 months of wait! :(

Yes...filling a PERM (for EB2) is definitely a good plan!!!! I got so excited when I found out PERM ony takes less than 6 months (from recruiting, filling...)...so filling now will be good for me so that if my I140 came back as EB3, then i have my PERM to fall back. But later i found out the cost of recruiting is minimal, zero filling fee for PERM, but...but....lawyer's fee is another $2K!!!! :eek: Of course my boss is going to say NOOOOO!!!!!! My boss decided to hold off to that backup plan until we hear anything from I140!!!!! Dang...that means I will have to wait at least another 6 months to know if I need to file PERM.

Btw, how long is the wait for I485 assuming i got my I140 approved?

I am so so overwhelmed and frustrated by this whole GC thing!!! After waited for 3++ yrs, now got my labor cert approved, still I have to be stressed out bcos of these suprises!!!!

Can someone advise? :confused:


bigbang2001, i just emailed my lawyer to request a copy of my ETA-750. Thanks for ur suggestion. but what is "world" category? :o

I also wonder how much it will cost for a lawyer to just do PERM? Or should I do it myself?

THANKS ALL FOR LISTENING..
 
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EB-2 is current only for Rest of World which is other than China and India ( and some other countries). Look at July Visa bulletin related links on I-140/485 related boards.

I am in a similar situation like you. I have approved Labor with Nov 2002 but my company is not filing concurrently as Labor is a successor in interest.

There is a premium processing for I-140 coming up. Need to shell out $1K for that but you may get an answere in 15 days. It is expected by end of this month.

Get ETA 750 reviewed . Another suggestion, look for a person with nickname UnitedNations on this board. Send him an email with your ETA 750 detail and check what he says. His analysis is bang on target and if he says you have a chance then go for premium processing for I-140 whenever it is available.


sky7 said:
Thanks all for the feedbacks.

I spoke to my lawyer, she explained to me that bcos the DOL intepreted that my position needs to meet " primary" or "alternate requirements" and for some reason, the alternate requirement is substantially lower than the primary - ie anyone with that alternate qualification can fill my position (not sure if the lawyer actually filed the wrong requirements..of course they will NEVER admit!). That's why she is afraid that the immigration will come back and say this is an EB3 not a EB2.

So she suggested we proceed with I140 with EB2. And wait till it gets approved, then only we file I485! (sigh). Based on the latest Q in Nebraska processing center (lawyer said most applications are sent to Nebraska instead of Vermount), the center is currently processing Jan 2006. So, can I assume my I140 will take approx 6 months? So in my case, I will only know and able to file I485 at least after 6 months of wait! :(

Yes...filling a PERM (for EB2) is definitely a good plan!!!! I got so excited when I found out PERM ony takes less than 6 months (from recruiting, filling...)...so filling now will be good for me so that if my I140 came back as EB3, then i have my PERM to fall back. But later i found out the cost of recruiting is minimal, zero filling fee for PERM, but...but....lawyer's fee is another $2K!!!! :eek: Of course my boss is going to say NOOOOO!!!!!! My boss decided to hold off to that backup plan until we hear anything from I140!!!!! Dang...that means I will have to wait at least another 6 months to know if I need to file PERM.

Btw, how long is the wait for I485 assuming i got my I140 approved?

I am so so overwhelmed and frustrated by this whole GC thing!!! After waited for 3++ yrs, now got my labor cert approved, still I have to be stressed out bcos of these suprises!!!!

Can someone advise? :confused:


bigbang2001, i just emailed my lawyer to request a copy of my ETA-750. Thanks for ur suggestion. but what is "world" category? :o

I also wonder how much it will cost for a lawyer to just do PERM? Or should I do it myself?

THANKS ALL FOR LISTENING..
 
bigbang..thanks so much for taking the time to reply. I just emailed "UnitedNation" (his/her pm box is fulled), hopefully he/she can drop by to advise me.

I140 Premium Processing for $1K. Really not sure if my boss would pay for that. But no harm to try right? Anywhere i can track the latest news on that? nothing official on the dates i guess

Just got my ETA-750, now i can clarify better:

On Item#14 - State in detail the MINIMUM education, training, and experience for a worker to perform the job duties.....:

EDUCATION
Grad School: 8
High School: 4
College: 6
College Degree Required: Masters
Major Field of Study: Engineering or related

TRAINING:
No. of Yrs: or
No. Mos: (blank)
Type of Training: (blank)

EXPERIENCE
Job Offered/Related Occupation - Number: 4 years to 4 years
Related Occupation: Computer Engineering or related


So I guess my lawyer is afraid because of that "or" clause, it can be intepreted by USCIS that my position can be filled by people with 4 yrs experiences without advance degree. Hence, not qualified as an EB2 category..but merely an EB3.

Pls advise

Thanks
Sky
 
sky7 said:
bigbang..thanks so much for taking the time to reply. I just emailed "UnitedNation" (his/her pm box is fulled), hopefully he/she can drop by to advise me.

I140 Premium Processing for $1K. Really not sure if my boss would pay for that. But no harm to try right? Anywhere i can track the latest news on that? nothing official on the dates i guess

Just got my ETA-750, now i can clarify better:

On Item#14 - State in detail the MINIMUM education, training, and experience for a worker to perform the job duties.....:

EDUCATION
Grad School: 8
High School: 4
College: 6
College Degree Required: Masters
Major Field of Study: Engineering or related

TRAINING:
No. of Yrs: or
No. Mos: (blank)
Type of Training: (blank)

EXPERIENCE
Job Offered/Related Occupation - Number: 4 years to 4 years
Related Occupation: Computer Engineering or related


So I guess my lawyer is afraid because of that "or" clause, it can be intepreted by USCIS that my position can be filled by people with 4 yrs experiences without advance degree. Hence, not qualified as an EB2 category..but merely an EB3.

Pls advise

Thanks
Sky
unitednation email : ny.united@gmail.com
Search for mails posted by him. I remeber I asked a question about EB-2 criteria and in a particular thread. This was a couple of months ago.

I-140 premium processing : Check at immigration-law.com. It had posted a link. It is expected to be put in place soon.

Educational Requirement in your ETA-750 is Masters . So your requirement is MS + 4 years of experience. To me this is a case for EB-2. I would strongly suggest you take a second/third opinion regarding this.

Here is a link to the tread I mentioned earlier
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=212769&highlight=EB-2
Good Luck.
 
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The job must qualify for EB-2

I am learning that not only you, but the JOB must qualify for EB-2. Take a look at this data base
http://online.onetcenter.org/crosswalk/
The search for your job - look at the JOB ZONE - it must be 8.0 or higher -- if not, it is EB-2.

And o'ya - you'll find out how hard it is to come up with a "feasible" title for you that matches EB-2. The requirements are set overwhelmingly high - e.g. surgeon, top executive, ...

Good Luck
 
Quick update

My company is not going to start a new labor cert (PERM) until we hear something from my I140. By that time, we will know whether i am EB2 or EB3. If EB3, then we will have to start PERM! :( The reason not to start now is...$$$$!! It will cost my company another 2K lawyer's fee to file a PERM now.

But but...they at least started a Prevailing Wage phase in PERM and some of the "free of charge" employment ads. But not more that that until we hear from I140.

Sigh...sad!

And it's taking forever for the Nebraska center to process I140. for months, they are still stucked in Feb 28, 2006!!!
 
Dear all

I just emailed another lawyer for second opinion, besides giving him info on Item#14 and Item#15 on my ETA 750, I also attached what my own lawyer said about my case


".....I am concerned about the alternate minimum requirements on the labor certification. The MS is clearly acceptable for EB-2. However the alternative minimum requirements may be deemed less than equivalent to an MS which may knock you out of EB-2."

And this other lawyer replied

"Related occupation does not have anything to do with the educational requirement '

Can someone explain to me what he meant??? I tried to call him to verify, but he said he doesn't answer via the phone.. :(

Please help

Sky
 
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