July visa bulletin update
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What's that supposed to mean? When they say that all numbers have been made available, does it mean that the numbers have been assigned to pending 485 applications? And they will continue to approve those applications that have been assigned visa numbers.
Or does it mean that they have approved 60,000 cases in the last 1 month and are left with no more visas. This seems quite unlikely because I don't think that they approved 60,000 applications in last month. But who knows
What does it mean?
Does it mean that they won;t accept new 485 application?
It is so NOT professional or even ethical to wait till 2nd Jul morning for those applicant who has prepared their 485 application and sent it to servicer center.
We did not see 60K approvals in Employment 485. Even considering CP cases and approved EB3.. I still think that there must be more EB1 and EB2 cases with allocated visa numbers...
If servicer center are able to process 60K cases in one month.. then what takes them so long to work on our cases...
anyway experts let me know whether they will take new application. I feel sorry for some of the friends who had dropped everything last 2 weeks and working on these 485 application
Does it mean that they won;t accept new 485 application?
It is so NOT professional or even ethical to wait till 2nd Jul morning for those applicant who has prepared their 485 application and sent it to servicer center.
We did not see 60K approvals in Employment 485. Even considering CP cases and approved EB3.. I still think that there must be more EB1 and EB2 cases with allocated visa numbers...
If servicer center are able to process 60K cases in one month.. then what takes them so long to work on our cases...
anyway experts let me know whether they will take new application. I feel sorry for some of the friends who had dropped everything last 2 weeks and working on these 485 application
Remember...not each number has to be a primary applicant. So 1 EB-3 approval could mean 4 (1 primary, 1 Spouse, 2 kids)...so from law of averages assuming each EB category takes 3 from the quota so that would mean 20K actual EB approvals from TSC, NSC and CP.
But still they have to review dependent applciation too so your point is true how can they approve so fast. Point still not clear and would perhaps become clear is that does that unavailability at this point only affects new applications or it affects everyone.
Historical data says no more approvals. Whenever there is unavailability no body gets approved but law of common sense (and also wishful thinking) says that may these numbers include both approvals and assignment (not yet approved but got the number). If that is the case then we can see some approvals but chances look slim. Only time would tell or may be a qualified attorney or USCIS itself.
We were all so excited for last month. Lucky people got through and people like us it was much ado about nothing.
MV
But still they have to review dependent applciation too so your point is true how can they approve so fast. Point still not clear and would perhaps become clear is that does that unavailability at this point only affects new applications or it affects everyone.
Historical data says no more approvals. Whenever there is unavailability no body gets approved but law of common sense (and also wishful thinking) says that may these numbers include both approvals and assignment (not yet approved but got the number). If that is the case then we can see some approvals but chances look slim. Only time would tell or may be a qualified attorney or USCIS itself.
We were all so excited for last month. Lucky people got through and people like us it was much ado about nothing.
MV
Even I think that when they say all the numbers have been made available, means they have assigned visa numbers to approvable cases and we will still see approvals coming out.
What's that supposed to mean? When they say that all numbers have been made available, does it mean that the numbers have been assigned to pending 485 applications? And they will continue to approve those applications that have been assigned visa numbers.
Or does it mean that they have approved 60,000 cases in the last 1 month and are left with no more visas. This seems quite unlikely because I don't think that they approved 60,000 applications in last month. But who knows
So, what happens to the ones that turned to approval today or card production ordered today which July 2nd 2007. According to the updated bulletin, there should not be any approvals from today. This is so so miserable. I think who ever is preparing to file should go a head and file cases anyway. Later in case if AILA or AILF initiates any law suits against DOS the rejection envolopes will be useful. What do you guys think
istrategist
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the last time...
... I was in this state (like June) was the month before retrogression hit... then it was almost 2 1/2 years of resignation and back to life as usual... am still trying to find a plain English translation of the update on some lawyer's website - anyone find a link, pls post.
... I was in this state (like June) was the month before retrogression hit... then it was almost 2 1/2 years of resignation and back to life as usual... am still trying to find a plain English translation of the update on some lawyer's website - anyone find a link, pls post.
The question is.....why did the numbers get used up?
1. Is it due to June Visa Bulletin? If so, then ROW traffic must have pretty much out....then come October 07 or Jan 08, EB dates may be current again...
2. Is it due to July Visa Bulletin - going Current for 1 second? If so, then some ROW traffic is still in the pipeline and Department of State may resort to predictions and keep the dates back - again in October....one may have to wait tilll April 08 or July 08 to see if the dates come back current?
It is clear that ROW demand is far less than the quota...so the dates would be current....the only question is when, next?
1. Is it due to June Visa Bulletin? If so, then ROW traffic must have pretty much out....then come October 07 or Jan 08, EB dates may be current again...
2. Is it due to July Visa Bulletin - going Current for 1 second? If so, then some ROW traffic is still in the pipeline and Department of State may resort to predictions and keep the dates back - again in October....one may have to wait tilll April 08 or July 08 to see if the dates come back current?
It is clear that ROW demand is far less than the quota...so the dates would be current....the only question is when, next?
Indian Gov is lot better, stick to the promise or else they will get into political crisis...here.this is one the worst dept it seems in this world...I will be celebrating my 10th anniversary in this country on Aug 15th..lot of respect to all the dept except this BS...
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EB3, India
PD - Oct 2001
RD - Nov 2004
VSC-->TSC, 7th Mar'07
FP2 - May 10th 07
LUD - No changes after March t'fer.
Name checks - Cleared, IO and Infopass confirmed
still waiting for approval
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EB3, India
PD - Oct 2001
RD - Nov 2004
VSC-->TSC, 7th Mar'07
FP2 - May 10th 07
LUD - No changes after March t'fer.
Name checks - Cleared, IO and Infopass confirmed
still waiting for approval
One Quick Logic hit to my mind. Hope it make sence.
Legally as per the Law..
USCIS will get the numbers 35K per quarter. Until they hit the first day of the quarter, these numbers will not be used.
Based on this logic..I had not seen approvals atleast 10 in this morning.
As a matter of fact, they can not approve all the pending cases just within six hours ...of July 2nd...
Legally as per the Law..
USCIS will get the numbers 35K per quarter. Until they hit the first day of the quarter, these numbers will not be used.
Based on this logic..I had not seen approvals atleast 10 in this morning.
As a matter of fact, they can not approve all the pending cases just within six hours ...of July 2nd...
Here how it works
In India, IAS officer needs to be really smart (it is tough to get into IAS)
In US, I won't blame IO but their directors (who set the policy) are some one who knows G W Bxsh (with same IQ may be) it is same story when they went in Iraq they didn't have "After War" policy.. same thing here.. no one knows..why/who made dates current and now instead of stating WHAT ARE CURRENT DATES..they put a message...
Legally no knows what dates to process...technically all IO can celebrate 4th Jul week as paid holiday till they publish dates..
Next thing you will see is all Cover Up (some one will resign) ...if DOJ leadership is same why blame DHS or USCIS.. it's going to be same story..
I am sure they must have asked all IOs to be Air Marshal!
I saw that Rajeev has put notice that BSCIS can not put notice leggally. but guess what they have done it again.
In India, IAS officer needs to be really smart (it is tough to get into IAS)
In US, I won't blame IO but their directors (who set the policy) are some one who knows G W Bxsh (with same IQ may be) it is same story when they went in Iraq they didn't have "After War" policy.. same thing here.. no one knows..why/who made dates current and now instead of stating WHAT ARE CURRENT DATES..they put a message...
Legally no knows what dates to process...technically all IO can celebrate 4th Jul week as paid holiday till they publish dates..
Next thing you will see is all Cover Up (some one will resign) ...if DOJ leadership is same why blame DHS or USCIS.. it's going to be same story..
I am sure they must have asked all IOs to be Air Marshal!
I saw that Rajeev has put notice that BSCIS can not put notice leggally. but guess what they have done it again.
marooned42
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A few after-effects of this change that come to my mind:
1. Since the priority date is effectively "unavailable" now, it will become impossible to open an SR anymore.
2. Same thing goes for Infopass - the IO may refuse to do anything since there is no visa available. Alternately, if you ask nicely, the IO may be able to tell you that your namecheck, etc., is stuck or cleared, and if anything else is stuck. However, it seems to me that the case doesn't get updated till some IO looks at it, presumably when the case is at a point where its PD is in the approvable range.
3. *EVEN IF* some visa numbers were pre-allocated to cases that had a high probability of being approved, the pace of adjudications will slow down. Since USCIS doesn't have to process the hundreds of thousands of cases it was expecting to receive this week, they will slow down a bit. For all I know, they may have been working overtime last month to be able to request 60k visas.
4. Based on how many cases USCIS finished up by Oct '07, DoS may/may not set all EB categories current in the Oct bulletin. If they set it to C, USCIS had better free up their file storage shelves because of the huge pile of cases that will show up.
5. My best guess is they have pre-allocated visa numbers to many of the cases, and will slowly adjudicate them over the next 3 months. I don't see how they could have worked so hard that they used up 60k visas. More likely that they requested all those visas based on the cases they anticipate approving.
This brings us to the large number of people who filed in anticipation of having their I-485 accepted today. What will USCIS do to all the files that would landed there today?
a. Reject them outright? This will probably bring them a quick lawsuit from AILA, with DoS (potentially) as co-defendant. However, this is also the easiest way for them to deal with it.
b. Keep the applications with them, but open them only when the priority dates advance a bit (that would be "October 07")? What do they do with all the checks in the mail? Encash them and generate receipts? Where do they store all those files?
What a mess these guys have landed themselves in...
1. Since the priority date is effectively "unavailable" now, it will become impossible to open an SR anymore.
2. Same thing goes for Infopass - the IO may refuse to do anything since there is no visa available. Alternately, if you ask nicely, the IO may be able to tell you that your namecheck, etc., is stuck or cleared, and if anything else is stuck. However, it seems to me that the case doesn't get updated till some IO looks at it, presumably when the case is at a point where its PD is in the approvable range.
3. *EVEN IF* some visa numbers were pre-allocated to cases that had a high probability of being approved, the pace of adjudications will slow down. Since USCIS doesn't have to process the hundreds of thousands of cases it was expecting to receive this week, they will slow down a bit. For all I know, they may have been working overtime last month to be able to request 60k visas.
4. Based on how many cases USCIS finished up by Oct '07, DoS may/may not set all EB categories current in the Oct bulletin. If they set it to C, USCIS had better free up their file storage shelves because of the huge pile of cases that will show up.
5. My best guess is they have pre-allocated visa numbers to many of the cases, and will slowly adjudicate them over the next 3 months. I don't see how they could have worked so hard that they used up 60k visas. More likely that they requested all those visas based on the cases they anticipate approving.
This brings us to the large number of people who filed in anticipation of having their I-485 accepted today. What will USCIS do to all the files that would landed there today?
a. Reject them outright? This will probably bring them a quick lawsuit from AILA, with DoS (potentially) as co-defendant. However, this is also the easiest way for them to deal with it.
b. Keep the applications with them, but open them only when the priority dates advance a bit (that would be "October 07")? What do they do with all the checks in the mail? Encash them and generate receipts? Where do they store all those files?
What a mess these guys have landed themselves in...
marooned42
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Another update:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/VisaBulletin2Jul07.pdf
So this addresses the second part of my earlier post.
I can't imagine the frustration of all the people who would have rushed to prepare their application packages to have them delivered to USCIS this morning, only to have them rejected.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/VisaBulletin2Jul07.pdf
So this addresses the second part of my earlier post.
I can't imagine the frustration of all the people who would have rushed to prepare their application packages to have them delivered to USCIS this morning, only to have them rejected.
Green_Always
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It is Just Horrible..
It is Just Horrible with these Guys...
Not sure.. how people in IRAQ must be thinking about these people.
Shameless USCIS.
It is Just Horrible with these Guys...
Not sure.. how people in IRAQ must be thinking about these people.
Shameless USCIS.
Green_Always
Registered Users (C)
It is Just Horrible..
Shameless USCIS people..
Shameless USCIS people..
istrategist
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worse still...
I would hate to think that there are people who were current in June and put off / could not file by June 29th...
I would hate to think that there are people who were current in June and put off / could not file by June 29th...