Jan 18th is the decision day?

Hampton8244-

I'm glad that you are optimistic about this whole immigration reform. I can't say I am positive that any changes will benefit the asylum process and PRs. As a PR, I am very interested in seeing the spousal sponsorship rules changed so our spouses don't have to wait 5+ years to join us (PRs).

I guess hoping won't hurt. :)
 
You brought up a good point. Making lawful permanent residents wait so long for family reunions is not humane and goes against the family unity spirit that is supposed to be the foundation of our immigration system.

What I glean from all this is that there are many situations in the immigration system that cry out for redress. The asylum adjustment cap is just one of those. It is currently not (and in all candor should not be) a high priority issue. Attention is needed in other potential areas of immigration reform. Asylees have already been extended protection. They are free here.

So many people all over the world want to live in the United States. We cannot possibly accept them all. We need to be selective. No immigration system will make everone happy.




LolaLi said:
Hampton8244-

I'm glad that you are optimistic about this whole immigration reform. I can't say I am positive that any changes will benefit the asylum process and PRs. As a PR, I am very interested in seeing the spousal sponsorship rules changed so our spouses don't have to wait 5+ years to join us (PRs).

I guess hoping won't hurt. :)
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Chill, my friend. This country has unlimited potential for talented people. If a door (like a federal job) is closed to you, countless others swing open. In my own case, I arrived in JFK airport with exactly $100 with me to start over in this country. With the grant of asylum, I was accepted to a top tier MBA program with scholarships. I graduated with honors and worked for a blue chip consulting firm in New York City making a six digit salary. After a few years a few friends and I striked out on our own, opening a lobbying firm in Washington DC. It is booming with corporate customers. I accomplished all of this as an asylee, way before my green card approval.

A classmate, an asylee who still does not have her green card yet, is currently a top aide to the Governor of Florida (for most state positions US citizenship is not required).

The point is a grant of asylum is a huge enabler for those who know how to take advantage of it.


bringslite said:
Sinnersroom,

The problem is that without the D***n GC, and subsequently US citizenship, there is not much you can do in this country, unless you want to do odd jobs, live off welfare, no need to travel overseas, etc.. This is to me sounds like being in a big golden jail as opposed to the jail that you would be in if you were back home (alive of course). And keep in mind that the way things are going, it seems like you could be deported if you commit a traffic violation and you are not a US citizen. Until you are a US citizen, in this country, you are nobody, and you have no rights whatsoever. Let’s face it.

We all agree that this country is great and we are grateful, but remember, we are paying back and contributing as well. Other free nations are dong the same thing, but better and more efficiently.

In my case, I had a decent education (I paid for it myself), and what I learned is highly in demand, especially by the US government. I was hoping one day to join a federal agency like the FBI, but because of the lack of GC, and thefor US citizenship, I was forced to accept jobs that any person with high school qualifications would not accept. While 55000 new immigrants, in addition to refugees come to this country each year, most of who hardly have high school diplomas, and I see them becoming US citizens while I am spending my day on forums like this (no offense) waiting for a glimpse of hope.

My friend, you just do not know how frustrating it's, if your only goal is to be able to have your family visit you, then that's your choice, but many people here fled their countries in hope of escaping prosecution and better themselves. After 16 years in anticipation, I am starting to wonder was it really worth it?

***BTW, are you a friend with Ashcroft, or do you work for the INS(I stil like to call that way)?***reading your coments, I wonder ;) !
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hampton8844 said:
The loss of the 22K visa is typical INS ineptitude. By the way, they also "lost" visas for other types of immigration programs, not just asylum.

My guess is that Congress will fix the asylum cap sooner rather than later, probably as part of the huge immigration reform package that Bush is instigating for. Probably in exchange they will have to pass some strict provisions to combat fraud (like seizing national passports like other countries do or gives the INS more money to launch fraud investigations).
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Can I ask u one question? Why do u think INS has appealed judge decision in 22000 case? No doubt that mismanagment has occured.But still they appealed! For me it's obviously means the intention of INS not to increase the cap!
 
Minsk said:
Can I ask u one question? Why do u think INS has appealed judge decision in 22000 case? No doubt that mismanagment has occured.But still they appealed! For me it's obviously means the intention of INS not to increase the cap!
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Remember, the Government has always maintained that visas have to be used in the fiscal year to which they are assigned. This applies to asylum adjustment as well to all other types of immigration programs. And they frankly have the legal obligation to defend their own position in court. And the fact that settlement negotiations are going on indicates that they are amenable to potential change.
 
hampton8844 said:
Chill, my friend. This country has unlimited potential for talented people. If a door (like a federal job) is closed to you, countless others swing open. In my own case, I arrived in JFK airport with exactly $100 with me to start over in this country. With the grant of asylum, I was accepted to a top tier MBA program with scholarships. I graduated with honors and worked for a blue chip consulting firm in New York City making a six digit salary. After a few years a few friends and I striked out on our own, opening a lobbying firm in Washington DC. It is booming with corporate customers. I accomplished all of this as an asylee, way before my green card approval.

A classmate, an asylee who still does not have her green card yet, is currently a top aide to the Governor of Florida (for most state positions US citizenship is not required).

The point is a grant of asylum is a huge enabler for those who know how to take advantage of it.
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I concur. I haven't been in the USA a decade and have managed to accomplish a few things. I myself would have liked to work for the federal government, but I realized that would only occur when i was eligible. Realizing that, I decided to move on with my life.

It is true - doors do open up for you - you just have to look for them. I've managed to get 2 degrees graduating with distinction and now happily work in the private sector (with a fortune 25 company) earning a substantial salary. I do believe I will continue with my education and hope to earn a PHD in the next few years. :) Its excitement enough knowing I don't owe a nickel for school expenses!

My only advice is to not give up and search for avenues to excel. Ironically, I no longer have aspirations to work for the federal government. I realize I could be doing so much more - and with better pay! :D

I wish everyone all the best. You can look at the time you're waiting to be adjusted as a waste, or you can utilize that time to better yourself - and build a future for your life in the US. No-one says its easy, but then as Asylees - I don't believe we know the meaning of the word 'easy'! So it should be a piece of cake for us!
 
Being an Asylee is like being a citizen of no country. Personally I feel like a prisoner here in the US, cant go anywhere without filing for so many things and many countries not giving you Visas, your travel document expires in 1 year and it takes 5 months to renew one.
My mother finally met her parents after 10 years and that was only because they came to Canada, USA denied their Visa. So SINNERSROOM, not everyone can be reunited with their relatives so easily. In order to get somewhere and be respected you really need to be a USC. Also being there is no guarantee being as Asylee, they can always decide to kick you out.
 
How far does the freedom of speech of an asylee go?

We all have different opinions, right? I do respect your opinions; however, what if, in one topic, you (an asylee) strongly disagree with the government and decides to become vocal about it? How far does the freedom of speech of an asylee go? Ok, that is one question (kinda a rhetoric one). In terms of becoming a permanent resident, I agree that some waiting period have to be in place - but it is becoming progressively a very long period. If nothing is changed, in a couple years asylees (that will be applying for adujstment then) could be waiting 15 to 20 years to become Permanent Residents and 20 to 25 to become citzens. A quarter of a century to become a citzen!

I am very grateful that I was granted asylee status, but, at the same time, I feel that I do not have, for example, freedom of movement because everything takes so long to happen (5 to 6 months to get a Travel Document that is valid for a year, at 165 bucks a pop!). Some of you have expressed that your job may depend on that. What may happen?; you may lose a promotion or even your job.

If you are against the war, for instance, and you want to go to a protest - and I want to repeat my main question one last time (sorry) - how far does the freedom of speech of an asylee go? Do we have to agree with EVERYTHING that goes on in this country? Or do you have some kinda of limited freedom until you become a citzen? I believe that is why a lot of you have expressed some frustation with the current situation. If you are a republican, everything is cool with you; sure, and I don't blame you. But if you are a democrat, green or whatever else, it really sucks. Better stop here.
 
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Perhaps you were lucky. In my case, all good jobs I got were with federal agencies, and other companies contracting with the govmt. Which means clearance, or extensive overseas travel, and thus US citizenship. Aside from jobs, can you tell me how free are you to travel?! Even in this country, you do not count no matter what kind of degrees you have. You do not need a grant of asylum to get an MBA. A friend of mine came to this country a few years ago, finished his MBA/PhD and then went back, and he is now making a 6-figure income, and does not have to wait anxiously for some stupid card that would control his life!
 
bringslite said:
Sinnersroom,

The problem is that without the D***n GC, and subsequently US citizenship, there is not much you can do in this country, unless you want to do odd jobs, live off welfare, no need to travel overseas, etc.. This is to me sounds like being in a big golden jail as opposed to the jail that you would be in if you were back home (alive of course). And keep in mind that the way things are going, it seems like you could be deported if you commit a traffic violation and you are not a US citizen. Until you are a US citizen, in this country, you are nobody, and you have no rights whatsoever. Let’s face it.

We all agree that this country is great and we are grateful, but remember, we are paying back and contributing as well. Other free nations are dong the same thing, but better and more efficiently.

In my case, I had a decent education (I paid for it myself), and what I learned is highly in demand, especially by the US government. I was hoping one day to join a federal agency like the FBI, but because of the lack of GC, and thefor US citizenship, I was forced to accept jobs that any person with high school qualifications would not accept. While 55000 new immigrants, in addition to refugees come to this country each year, most of who hardly have high school diplomas, and I see them becoming US citizens while I am spending my day on forums like this (no offense) waiting for a glimpse of hope.

My friend, you just do not know how frustrating it's, if your only goal is to be able to have your family visit you, then that's your choice, but many people here fled their countries in hope of escaping prosecution and better themselves. After 16 years in anticipation, I am starting to wonder was it really worth it?

***BTW, are you a friend with Ashcroft, or do you work for the INS(I stil like to call that way)?***reading your coments, I wonder ;) !
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i have fled my country because of prosecution too. but i am not depressed that i have to wait 10 years to get my Citizenship . If you are smart u can be successful where ever u go . especially here in america U can easily become millionaire if u know what to do .
Refugees have a right to have priority cause they are in real trouble and discriminated and doesnt have money to buy even bread. i used to work for ressetelment and migration agencies .refugees are monitored by expatriates of UN and non profit organizations before getting granted refugee status in US
I saw real life of refugees . Asylees visit US and apply ang get approved on their stories which are fraud in 80% . and US goverment is not a 5 year old . It knows how to treat immigrants.
And and u need time to know who is that person who fled to the country as asylee. god knows what sort of background they have .
U are comparing life in US as Golden Jail .U are so wrong . In any country u gotta wait that long to be citizen .it means u dont know what is real jail. imagine that if they would put u in asylee detension center or witness protection centers like some countries do.
And and it is fair that u cant get jobs in FBI .I am sure u wont get it even if u become US citizen .cause u might be spy,treath to the national sequrity and society. it is logical. and and i dont know what have u been doing all this 16 years! there is a lot of ways to get Greencard from 3 - 6 years...
55 .000 immigrants through dv lottery they are lucky .and they must be given privilige. U cant compare asylee close to those lucky people.
we are lucky that we were given protection and chance to survive in this life.We should be glad that US citizens who was born in US give us chance to get any kind of employment. imagine u are born in US and u are looking for job and and someone else coming from some country and getting his job . Dont u feel robbed by that person? dont u think those jobs belong to citizens of this country.

of course it doesnt worth it if u applied for asylum to be succesful and rich.
 
bringslite said:
Sinnersroom,

The problem is that without the D***n GC, and subsequently US citizenship, there is not much you can do in this country, unless you want to do odd jobs, live off welfare, no need to travel overseas, etc.. This is to me sounds like being in a big golden jail as opposed to the jail that you would be in if you were back home (alive of course). And keep in mind that the way things are going, it seems like you could be deported if you commit a traffic violation and you are not a US citizen. Until you are a US citizen, in this country, you are nobody, and you have no rights whatsoever. Let’s face it.

We all agree that this country is great and we are grateful, but remember, we are paying back and contributing as well. Other free nations are dong the same thing, but better and more efficiently.

In my case, I had a decent education (I paid for it myself), and what I learned is highly in demand, especially by the US government. I was hoping one day to join a federal agency like the FBI, but because of the lack of GC, and thefor US citizenship, I was forced to accept jobs that any person with high school qualifications would not accept. While 55000 new immigrants, in addition to refugees come to this country each year, most of who hardly have high school diplomas, and I see them becoming US citizens while I am spending my day on forums like this (no offense) waiting for a glimpse of hope.

My friend, you just do not know how frustrating it's, if your only goal is to be able to have your family visit you, then that's your choice, but many people here fled their countries in hope of escaping prosecution and better themselves. After 16 years in anticipation, I am starting to wonder was it really worth it?

***BTW, are you a friend with Ashcroft, or do you work for the INS(I stil like to call that way)?***reading your coments, I wonder ;) !
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i have fled my country because of prosecution too. but i am not depressed that i have to wait 10 years to get my Citizenship . If you are smart u can be successful where ever u go . especially here in america U can easily become millionaire if u know what to do . i met asylees who own large buisnesses in US
Refugees have a right to have priority cause they are in real trouble and discriminated and do not have money to buy even bread. i used to work for ressetelment and migration agencies .refugees are monitored by expatriates of UN and non profit organizations before getting granted refugee status in US
I saw real life of refugees . Asylees visit US and apply ang get approved on their stories which are fraud in 80% . and US goverment is not a 5 year old . It knows how to treat immigrants.
And and u need time to know who is that person who fled to the country as asylee. god knows what sort of background they have .
U are comparing life in US as Golden Jail .U are so wrong . In any country u gotta wait that long to be citizen .it means u dont know what is real jail. imagine that if they would put u in asylee detension center or witness protection centers like some countries do.
And and it is fair that u cant get jobs in FBI .I am sure u wont get it even if u become US citizen .cause u might be spy,treath to the national sequrity and society. it is logical. and and i dont know what have u been doing all this 16 years! there is a lot of ways to get Greencard from 3 - 6 years...
55 .000 immigrants through dv lottery they are lucky .and they must be given privilige. U cant compare asylee close to those lucky people.
we are lucky that we were given protection and chance to survive in this life.We should be glad that US citizens who was born in US give us chance to get any kind of employment. imagine u are born in US and u are looking for job and and someone else coming from some country and getting your job . Dont u feel robbed by that person? dont u think those jobs belong to citizens of this country. Sometimes when i see poor homeless people in the streets i feel guilty .i feel like he/she would get my job if i wouldn't be here .

U can travel where ever u want with your Refugee travel Document (even to your home :cool: ) Plus u can get visa to any country except north korea. :)

of course it doesnt worth it if u applied for asylum to be succesful and rich.
 
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The key here is that the US does not owe asylees anything. And they have been exceedingly generous. In fact they treat asylees far better than most categories of immigrants--it is just a fact.

There are always going to be malcontents. But the fact is simple: a grant asylum opens countless avenues to success and it is up to you to take full advantage of them. If you have the drive and talent, you will join countless other successful asylees around the country. If all you do is to whine then nothing good will happen to you.


SINNERSROOM said:
i have fled my country because of prosecution too. but i am not depressed that i have to wait 10 years to get my Citizenship . If you are smart u can be successful where ever u go . especially here in america U can easily become millionaire if u know what to do .
Refugees have a right to have priority cause they are in real trouble and discriminated and doesnt have money to buy even bread. i used to work for ressetelment and migration agencies .refugees are monitored by expatriates of UN and non profit organizations before getting granted refugee status in US
I saw real life of refugees . Asylees visit US and apply ang get approved on their stories which are fraud in 80% . and US goverment is not a 5 year old . It knows how to treat immigrants.
And and u need time to know who is that person who fled to the country as asylee. god knows what sort of background they have .
U are comparing life in US as Golden Jail .U are so wrong . In any country u gotta wait that long to be citizen .it means u dont know what is real jail. imagine that if they would put u in asylee detension center or witness protection centers like some countries do.
And and it is fair that u cant get jobs in FBI .I am sure u wont get it even if u become US citizen .cause u might be spy,treath to the national sequrity and society. it is logical. and and i dont know what have u been doing all this 16 years! there is a lot of ways to get Greencard from 3 - 6 years...
55 .000 immigrants through dv lottery they are lucky .and they must be given privilige. U cant compare asylee close to those lucky people.
we are lucky that we were given protection and chance to survive in this life.We should be glad that US citizens who was born in US give us chance to get any kind of employment. imagine u are born in US and u are looking for job and and someone else coming from some country and getting his job . Dont u feel robbed by that person? dont u think those jobs belong to citizens of this country.

of course it doesnt worth it if u applied for asylum to be succesful and rich.
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Woo Hoo

Thank you Law Person. You always bring something nice to the table. I know all this information is not finalized yet and negotiation is still on going. But in a hypothetical situation, say this three years or even two years decrease comes out of this negotiation. Would USCIS be processing all those extra applications in the same fiscal years or over a time span? Would they commit extra staff/resources to adjust all these extra applications in the same fiscal years when negotiations are finalized?
Your input will be greatly appreciated.
 
also, would they count any additional time towards our citizenship (except 1 year they already do)?

Thanks for good news
 
Law_Person said:
To Most Asylees:

Furthermore, I have even better news for most asylees. The lawyers in the Ngwanyia case told me that they are actually negotiating for THREE years decrease in asylees' waiting time. They also told me that the negotiation is quite promising. However, please remember that it is still an ongoing negotiation and nothing is final yet, so even though we have some genuine hope in getting the THREE years decrease, the actual outcome may be different. So keep your fingers crossed!
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I don't quite get this....what do u mean by 3 three years decrease.

Thanx

Espritis
 
Do you think this lawsuit affects the waiting period for citizenship? I thought I had read something about getting that date moved back for asylees granted PR...when I read the lawsuit script.

Did anyone else read about this?
 
LolaLi said:
Do you think this lawsuit affects the waiting period for citizenship? I thought I had read something about getting that date moved back for asylees granted PR...when I read the lawsuit script.

Did anyone else read about this?
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nope, nobody addressed this before and I'm not sure if anybody knows. But if somebody knows something, please share ...
 
As far as I can tell, the lawsuit foes not include provisions for backdating the GC.

The lawsuit addresses 2 concerns

1) 22k unused adjudications; &

2) asylees being issued EAD for only 1 yr.
 
copper1 said:
Being an Asylee is like being a citizen of no country. Personally I feel like a prisoner here in the US, cant go anywhere without filing for so many things and many countries not giving you Visas, your travel document expires in 1 year and it takes 5 months to renew one.
My mother finally met her parents after 10 years and that was only because they came to Canada, USA denied their Visa. So SINNERSROOM, not everyone can be reunited with their relatives so easily. In order to get somewhere and be respected you really need to be a USC. Also being there is no guarantee being as Asylee, they can always decide to kick you out.
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They can kick you out even if u have USC.
 
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