Is my child a USC

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If I am a USC, and my wife an LPR, and we haev baby, the delivery aborad, will the newborn be a USC ? or does both the parents have to be USC at the time of birth of the baby (abroad). On a normal scanario provided that i am not a diplomat, if my wife has the baby in America, I am aware that the baby becomes USC by birth
 
This is a more definitive reference, as it takes into account court rulings in recent years.
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

The Shusterman chart doesn't include the different rules that apply (according to the court) when the father vs. the mother is the one USC parent.



Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.



suppose i have been an LPR between the age of 6 and 11 and had 4 years of physical presnece, and lost the status after not returning to US after a year of departure, and if i secured a new visa/lprstatus/gc when i was 23, has physical presence for 40 months and had the status of an LPR for 7 years, get naturalized. I marry a girl from my home country (not an LPR) and we have the baby in our home country. is the child considerd to be a USC


recap:
4 years of physical prsence before the age of 14 (but on a different visa, LPR but that got expired)
40 months of physical prsense after obtaining gc at the age of 23
8 months since naturalized

will my child be considred as a USC if my wife has no immigration status and the child is born in india ? can i claim us citizenship for him
 
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.



suppose i have been an LPR between the age of 6 and 11 and had 4 years of physical presnece, and lost the status after not returning to US after a year of departure, and if i secured a new visa/lprstatus/gc when i was 23, has physical presence for 40 months and had the status of an LPR for 7 years, get naturalized. I marry a girl from my home country (not an LPR) and we have the baby in our home country. is the child considerd to be a USC


recap:
4 years of physical prsence before the age of 14 (but on a different visa, LPR but that got expired)
40 months of physical prsense after obtaining gc at the age of 23
8 months since naturalized

will my child be considred as a USC if my wife has no immigration status and the child is born in india ? can i claim us citizenship for him

Hmm... I'm interested in knowing how you bypassed the continuous presence test in obtaining citizenship. By your dates you received citizenship 32 months after receiving your green card...

(other than that, the test is of physical presence - not that of being a citizen for 5 years so IMO you should be OK)
 
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Hmm... I'm interested in knowing how you bypassed the continuous presence test in obtaining citizenship.
(other than that, the test is of physical presence - not that of being a citizen for 5 years so IMO you should be OK)

whats ur question again ? bypassed what ? could u be more specific. i dont mind sharing the info with u
 
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recap:
4 years of physical prsence before the age of 14 (but on a different visa, LPR but that got expired)
40 months of physical prsense after obtaining gc at the age of 23
8 months since naturalized

will my child be considred as a USC if my wife has no immigration status and the child is born in india ? can i claim us citizenship for him
You have the 5 years of physical presence, but you still have to prove it, which can be difficult, particularly for those years when you were under 14. There was another guy on the forum recently who had something like 10 years of presence but they rejected his claim for his children's citizenship because he didn't have enough documents from back in the 1990s to prove his physical presence to their satisfaction.

You could use school records as proof for those under-14 years ... that's if the school still has those records.
 
I should have my school report cards from my schooling form grade 1 to 5th. i do have my passport (which has a pic of mine when i was 6 years old) wouldnt the passport have the information/seals abt my arrival and departure, i also havey gc i had then. wouldnt that be enough proof. doesnt the 'right to information act' or something like that give us the right to the documents that are in the archives of the CBP , even if it has a fee involved and takes a while?

Please note that , the LPR status i had when i was a kid between the ages 6 and 11, expired after i left america (after securing a re-entry permit) and failed to return after 2 years (93). and the LPR status i have got in 2003 was on a new petition by my father as son of USC. that made me an LPR in 2003.


Please correct me if i am wrong .

please advise
 
whats ur question again ? bypassed what ? could u be more specific. I dont mind sharing the info with u

My apologies. I misread your post. (mixed up Physical presence with time since LPR)

But as I said before, you only need to show 20 months when you were a kid and if you have your school report cards from grade 1-5 and your passport with the arrival departure stamps, that should be good enough.
 
I should have my school report cards from my schooling form grade 1 to 5th. i do have my passport (which has a pic of mine when i was 6 years old) wouldnt the passport have the information/seals abt my arrival and departure, i also havey gc i had then.
I expect it would be good enough, but they can be very nitpicky about what they will accept. You won't know for sure what they will accept until you submit the documents to them for evaluation.

However, if they don't recognize the baby's citizenship, you can still get citizenship for him/her quickly if your wife still has LPR status. If she brings the baby to the US on her first trip into the US since the birth, and the baby is still under 2 years old, the baby will be granted LPR status at the POE. No I-130 required. Upon acquiring LPR status, the baby will then gain US citizenship via the Child Citizenship Act as a result of having a USC parent (you), provided you are living in the US at the time.
 
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I expect it would be good enough, but they can be very nitpicky about what they will accept. You won't know for sure what they will accept until you submit the documents to them for evaluation.

However, if they don't recognize the baby's citizenship, you can still get citizenship for him/her quickly if your wife still has LPR status. If she brings the baby to the US on her first trip into the US since the birth, and the baby is still under 2 years old, the baby will be granted LPR status at the POE. No I-130 required. Upon acquiring LPR status, the baby will then gain US citizenship via the Child Citizenship Act as a result of having a USC parent (you), provided you are living in the US at the time.

i have a scenarion,

suppose the wife is a LPR, why wouldnt the child need to have a I130 ?
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suppose the wife is a LPR, why wouldnt the child need to have a I130 ?
There is a rule that allows an LPR parent to bring a child born overseas to the US to gain LPR status without an I-130, provided the child is under 2 years old and it is the parent's first trip to the US since the birth.

http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/legal_permanent_residents.html
I am a legal permanent resident of the U.S. While I was outside the U.S., I gave birth to a child. Now I wish to return to the U.S. May I take my child with me?

As outlined in 9 FAM 42.1 N1.1, a child under two years of age who was born of a Permanent Resident Alien mother during a temporary visit abroad does not require an immigrant visa in order to travel to the United States if the alien parent is in possession of a valid Form I-551 (i.e. green card), a valid reentry permit, or an SB-1 visa. The child must be admitted to the U.S. within two years of birth and the accompanying parent must be applying for readmission upon first return after the birth of the child. We suggest that the accompanying parent carry documentary evidence of his or her relationship to the child, including the child's passport and birth certificate.[/b]
 
If the mother has H4 or L2, the baby would have to get an appropriate visa to enter the US, and won't become an LPR upon entry.

let me correct myself, i meant if the mother is a dependent, would the child under 2 years need appropriate visa or will the child be able to enter US as a dependent.
 
let me correct myself, i meant if the mother is a dependent, would the child under 2 years need appropriate visa or will the child be able to enter US as a dependent.
Only an LPR parent can bring the child into the US and instantly get LPR status for the child with no visa and no I-130 and no I-485.

If the mother is H4 or L2, that would mean the father is H1B or L1*, so the child would get an H4 or L2 that is tied to his/her father's H1B or L1 status.


*assuming we are not talking about a situation where she got pregnant for somebody other than her husband
 
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Only an LPR parent can bring the child into the US and instantly get LPR status for the child with no visa and no I-130 and no I-485.

If the mother is H4 or L2, that would mean the father is H1B or L1*, so the child would get an H4 or L2 that is tied to his/her father's H1B or L1 status.


*assuming we are not talking about a situation where she got pregnant for somebody other than her husband

will the newborn receive the visa status upon entry at the POE?
 
*assuming we are not talking about a situation where she got pregnant for somebody other than her husband

Actually case law doesn't take the 'other dude' into account. Fidelity is assumed unless challenged.
Unless paternity is challenged in court, either before birth or soon after, the husband is considered to have 'ratified' the baby as their own child.
(and will be liable for things like child support if the couple were to get divorced years later... )
 
Actually case law doesn't take the 'other dude' into account. Fidelity is assumed unless challenged.
Unless paternity is challenged in court, either before birth or soon after, the husband is considered to have 'ratified' the baby as their own child.
(and will be liable for things like child support if the couple were to get divorced years later... )
If you make the assumption I listed, it is safe to conclude that the father has H or L status as the primary visa holder.

If you don't make that assumption, that means you can't safely conclude anything about the father's status, because you don't know who will challenge or assert paternity, so the father's status could be anything under the sun from illegal immigrant to USC or anything in between.
 
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