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ny178

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Intent to deny on I-140

UN,

I was shocked when my lawyer told me that USCIS sent "Intent to Deny" on my I-140 case. My company has 400+ employees. They are doing well but showed some losses in the past.

me and my wife are working on EADs. My lawyer is working on my case and is going to submit all documents (I have no clue what he and my company's HR are doing).

can u tell me what can i do in case there is a deny?

I am really shocked.

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ny178 said:
UN,

I was shocked when my lawyer told me that USCIS sent "Intent to Deny" on my I-140 case. My company has 400+ employees. They are doing well but showed some losses in the past.

me and my wife are working on EADs. My lawyer is working on my case and is going to submit all documents (I have no clue what he and my company's HR are doing).

can u tell me what can i do in case there is a deny?

I am really shocked.

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With 400 employees it wouldn't make sense they would deny based on ability to pay (unless the number of employees wasn't disclosed to the USCIS). Maybe there was issue with your education or experience.
 
I-140

RD on I-140 Oct 2003
REF sent Aug-2004

REF was request of w2 forms and ability to pay.

the surprising thing is that 2 employees from same company got I-140 approval last month.

there is no issue with educational document. Its all related to company financial.

any advise guys?
 
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UN,

Let me give you more details on my case

2 employees from my company who had different lawyer than me got I-140 approval. they are still with the company and waiting for 485.

My I-140 is managed by different lawyer and in my case i got "Intent to Deny" on my I-140 case.

The "Intent to Deny" letter as per my HR asked more financial documents from company. I don't know the details but my HR has sent all the financial including last 3 years tax returns, letter from CFO etc.

what can i expect now? have you seen these kind of cases getting approved? I mean after getting "Intent to Deny" based on company's financial do you think that there is some chance to get approval?

I am really tensed now. please help..

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I-140 RD Oct 2003
 
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thanks UN,

I just talked to my lawyer. They are sending all the financial information. I have passed your information to her and she was aware of these things.

My fingers are crossed but my lawyer is confident that this case will be approved.

lets see
 
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DEAR FRIENDS,
IN ONE OF THE CASES OF EB-13 THE CASE I 129 WAS PENDING WITH USCIS SINCE LAST 6 MONTHS AND THEN THE MESSAGE CHANGED ON NOV 5 THAT THE CASE WAS TRANSFFERED TO AAO AND THEN NOW TODAY 15 NOV THE MESSAGE CHANGED THAT " ON NOVEMBER 16, 2004 , YOUR PETETION FOR NONIMMIGRANT WORKER WAS RECEIVED HERE FOR PROCESSING IT IS TAKING 15 TO 21 DAYS FOR US TO PROCESS THIS KIND OF CASE. WE WILL MAIL YOU THE DECESION AS SOON AAS PROCESSING IS COMPLETED."
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? PLEASE HELP...
THANKS.
RBV :mad:
 
UN,

Just talked to my lawyer. today thay sent my company's last 3 years tax returns , annual report , my last 3 w2 forms etc. My company has 400+ employees. what do you think are the chances. do you think that we have missed any thing. she has also done all the math to prove that company has ability to pay.
 
UN,

I have one more question which is making me tensed.

me and my wife are now working on EAD. My Lawyer has responded to INS on "ability to pay"

My EAD expires in Jan 2005. I filed mine and my wifes's EAD renewal long back. My wife got new EAD but it seems my EAD is kept on hold by INS.

my h1 expired in April 2004 but i still have not completed 6 years in US.

Now do you know how much time INS takes to gives decision on 140. what are my options if they do not respond by Jan 2005 and my current EAD gets expires?

can i get temporary EAD?

or can i extend my H1 which already got expired in April 2004 ?

Please help.
 
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Sometime back I was mulling the possibility of using "substitute 140" of colleagues who had gotten their 140s approved but had left the company and switched using AC-21. I did quite some research on this topic and concluded that it is NOT possible to substitute 140s irrespective of whether the original 485 (based on that 140) was approved or not. Also, on the same lines, the underlying labour can NOT be re-used once a 140 based on it has already been approved, again, irrespective of whether the 485 was approved or not.
The basic intent of the regulations was to prevent companies from sponsoring multiple GCs based on a single labour application. I don't recollect if I saved the results of that search but will post if I can find it.



unitednations said:
If for some reason your case should get denied; ask your lawyer of the risks in using this scenario:

1) ac21 can be used by a person with an approved 140 and 485 outstanding for more than 180 days. AAO has come out with a decision that the same/similar job criteria of using ac21 can be used with the same employer (ie., no need to change employers).

2) employer could revoke 140 of one of the approved persons as long as they don't have the greencard yet. Person can invoke ac21 for a same/similar job with same employer. You could then use that person's labor cert as a substitute and use the amounts paid to that person as a credit for ability to pay. Since the 140 has already been approved for that labor then you should be able to get approved.

I don't know if this scenario has been tried before. The important thing is that if employer revokes 140 then that person will be fine as long as they have same/similar job and it frees up that person's labor cert. for you.

I know it's a bit off the wall but run it by the lawyer as a back-up and see what he/she says. Below is the attachment from AAO that says same/similar job can be with same employer. (note it is in a different context then your case).

http://uscis.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admindec3/a1/2004/mar2204_01a1245.pdf
 
Even if I-140 was approved, labor can be resued if I-485 was not approved and both applications (I-140and I-485) were cancelled subsequently.
 
unitednations said:
Incorrect.

Please provide the sources. USCIS has given procedures to adjudicators and lawyers of what to do when their is labor substitution for cases where a 140 has already been filed/approved for another beneficiary.



I last did the "re"search about 6 months ago when I was considering my options (My 140 was eventually approved after 13 months). Had searched a lot of sites - this site itself, usvisanews.com, murthy.com, immihelp.com, immigration-law.com etc. Have to search through the hundreds of saved immig-related files to see if I did indeed save. But here are some points in the meantime

The Yates memo on AC-21 states that

" ...the labor certification or approval of a Form I-140 employment-based (EB) immigrant petition shall remain valid when an alien changes jobs, if:
(a) A Form I-485, Application to Adjust Status, on the basis of the EB
immigrant petition has been filed and remained unadjudicated for 180
days or more; and
(b) The new job is in the same or similar occupational classification as the job
for which the certification or approval was initially made. "

" .. If an alien is the beneficiary of an approved Form I-140 and is also
the beneficiary of a Form I-485 that has been pending 180 days or longer, then the approved Form I-140 remains valid with respect to a new offer of employment under the flexibility provisions of §106(c) of AC21."

These essentially mean that the labour and I-140 application are "ported" to the new job, as if the new employer had filed them. This seems to be the underlying reason for the new job being "same or similar". Also note that the "porting" is indeed the case as the original beneficiary of the labour
application does retain the priority date of the original labour the substituting" beneficiary does not. This is further highlighted below

Excerpt from www.immigration-law.com
"The priority date is not only "alien-based" but also limited to a specific alien and cannot be transferred to another alien. Consequently, an alien who files I-140 petition as the substituting beneficiary of an approved labor certification application takes over the approved labor certification application but not priority date. Accordingly, an alien who files I-140 petition as a substituting alien establishes his/her priority date at the time of filing of his/her I-140 petition and not on the date of filing of alien labor certification application by the employer on behalf of the original alien beneficiary who is substituted. The regulation specifically states that a priority date is not transferrable to another alien."

Priority Date Valid Only with the Alien Beneficiary and Cannot be Transferred to Other Aliens. As per 8 CFR 204.5(e).

"(e) Retention of section 203(b)(1), (2), or (3) priority date. -- A petition approved on behalf of an alien under sections 203(b)(1), (2), or (3) of the
Act accords the alien the priority date of the approved petition for any subsequently filed petition for any classification under sections 203(b)(1), (2), or (3)
of the Act for which the alien may qualify. In the event that the alien is the beneficiary of multiple petitions under sections 203(b)(1), (2), or (3) of the Act, the alien shall be entitled to the earliest priority date. A petition revoked under sections 204(e) or 205 of the Act will not confer a priority date, nor will any priority date be established as a result of a denied petition. A priority date is not transferable to another alien."

It is fairly common knowledge that for substitution cases, USCIS asks for the "original" labour approval instead of just a copy of it. They often take months to locate the original file with the original labour cert. As a side effect, for people with lost cerifications, one has to request a "duplicate" from the DOL which then sendsit directly to the agency requesting it. This is all to "ensure" that the same labour is not used to immigrate multiple aliens.

The onus would be on the employer to prove that the original labour was not already used to immigrate another alien. If the original 140 petition was approved and it has been 180 days since the orignal 485, even though it may not have been approved by the time the new 140 for the "substituting" employee was filed, barring any unforeseen conditions, the subsequent approval of the original 485 is almost guaranted.

I don't recollect, but it was pretty recent news that a lot of employers and employees are being investigated for immigration fraud and this multiple alien thing was one of them, others being "fake" job locations or "offices" just for the sake of labour filing etc. Damn! I just can't seem to recollect where I read this.

UN, I will surely try find out the exact sources and post. Also, could you please point to info on USCIS procedures to adjudicators and lawyers of what to do when there's labor substitution for cases where a 140 has already been filed/approved for another beneficiary.

Thanks.
Awaiting_PR
 
My 2 cents

Awaiting_PR said:
Excerpt from www.immigration-law.com
"The priority date is not only "alien-based" but also limited to a specific alien and cannot be transferred to another alien. Consequently, an alien who files I-140 petition as the substituting beneficiary of an approved labor certification application takes over the approved labor certification application but not priority date. Accordingly, an alien who files I-140 petition as a substituting alien establishes his/her priority date at the time of filing of his/her I-140 petition and not on the date of filing of alien labor certification application by the employer on behalf of the original alien beneficiary who is substituted. The regulation specifically states that a priority date is not transferrable to another alien."

1. Awaiting_PR: Recently hate140delay got I-140 approval using subst. labor and his proiority date on his approval was the date the original LC was filed and not his I-140 RD.
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=151028&p=976265

2. UN: What you say is it is theoritically possible to have multiple GCs based on a single labor. If this is true, its a BIG flaw in the system!
 
tominavhech said:
1. Awaiting_PR: Recently hate140delay got I-140 approval using subst. labor and his proiority date on his approval was the date the original LC was filed and not his I-140 RD.
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=151028&p=976265

2. UN: What you say is it is theoritically possible to have multiple GCs based on a single labor. If this is true, its a BIG flaw in the system!

Hi tominhavech,

Even if the 140 showed the earlier petition's priority date, the 485 would have a priority date of when the I-140 it was based on was filed. Here's an interesting link from another thread.

http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showpost.php?p=961799&postcount=17

BTW, had asked you a question earlier too, remember? To tu nhavech tar to kon aani tu kon? :)

Awaiting_PR
 
Awaiting_PR said:
Even if the 140 showed the earlier petition's priority date, the 485 would have a priority date of when the I-140 it was based on was filed. Here's an interesting link from another thread.

http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showpost.php?p=961799&postcount=17
Awaiting_PR

Awaiting_PR,
The more I read on this, the more confusing it gets. As of now I am not too concerned about 485 approval since I don't intend to stay in US long enough. All I need is my I-140 approval so that I can jump at will, make some money and return to homeland!

Awaiting_PR said:
BTW, had asked you a question earlier too, remember? To tu nhavech tar to kon aani tu kon? :)
Awaiting_PR

Ofcourse! I do remember your question and even this time my answer is the same - A genuine smile! But I promise that I wd disclose the "To" and "Mi" in my name the day my I-140 is approved! Good luck with your GC
 
tominavhech said:
Awaiting_PR,
The more I read on this, the more confusing it gets. As of now I am not too concerned about 485 approval since I don't intend to stay in US long enough. All I need is my I-140 approval so that I can jump at will, make some money and return to homeland!



Ofcourse! I do remember your question and even this time my answer is the same - A genuine smile! But I promise that I wd disclose the "To" and "Mi" in my name the day my I-140 is approved! Good luck with your GC

:) I am sorry but don't recollect seeing an answer previously. Sorry if you did indeed answer earlier. Thanks for the wishes (the 140 and 485s were approved in Sept and the cards received earlier during this month) and yes, good luck with the 140! Keep us posted!
 
Awaiting_PR,
Sorry I didn't realized that your GC is already approved. I had a feeling that most of the people who graduate to GC won't come back to these forums. How silly! Congratulations on ur approval and thanks for the wishes.
-ToMiNavhech :-)
 
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