I don't understand the argument of 'leaving the company after GC'

qwertyisback said:
In continuation of guessing...One more q/s..After getting citizenship, Can CIS troubles you with "Intent after GC" part??
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CIS can trouble you with "Intent after GC part" throughout your life! Becoming a citizen makes you immune to nothing. They can always question things like 'moral intent','fraudulent GC' etc. and take away your US citizenship.

In fact in jan2005, there was a case where a naturalized south east asian national was stripped of citizenship and deported because he established links with an organisation after becoming a USC. The crime therefore was committed after becoming a USC and they could not legally take away his citizenship, but the govt. used the constitution to point out that as his moral character was questionable it was possible to revoke his citizenship.

This was the reason I argued in another thread about 'second class' citizenship as allegiance and character can always be questioned.
 
chinabee said:
You guys better quote the law. If there's no law or regulation guiding this, this is just somebody's imagination.

Better yet, show the cases too.
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Read the thread 'dual citizenship and agricultural' land where I have quoted some cases where people got into trouble after citizenship.
 
Would you mind posting some here?

hipka said:
Read the thread 'dual citizenship and agricultural' land where I have quoted some cases where people got into trouble after citizenship.
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Can you point a link to the actual case? I cannot believe that. Not i want the citizenship so much, but if anybody commits a crime, he/she would departed then as per this case.

hipka said:
CIS can trouble you with "Intent after GC part" throughout your life! Becoming a citizen makes you immune to nothing. They can always question things like 'moral intent','fraudulent GC' etc. and take away your US citizenship.

In fact in jan2005, there was a case where a naturalized south east asian national was stripped of citizenship and deported because he established links with an organisation after becoming a USC. The crime therefore was committed after becoming a USC and they could not legally take away his citizenship, but the govt. used the constitution to point out that as his moral character was questionable it was possible to revoke his citizenship.

This was the reason I argued in another thread about 'second class' citizenship as allegiance and character can always be questioned.
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hipka said:
CIS can trouble you with "Intent after GC part" throughout your life! Becoming a citizen makes you immune to nothing. They can always question things like 'moral intent','fraudulent GC' etc. and take away your US citizenship.
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you are immune to nothing anyway. you can get HIV when you swim in a public pool, you can get a fatal accident when you drive, you can be shot by an anti-immigration american ...

FYI.
developing a negative thinking pattern will do no good to anybody. taking a small risk and bringing it to a big problem is a typical path down the road to a depressing life.
 
zyu said:
you are immune to nothing anyway. you can get HIV when you swim in a public pool, you can get a fatal accident when you drive, you can be shot by an anti-immigration american ...

FYI.
developing a negative thinking pattern will do no good to anybody. taking a small risk and bringing it to a big problem is a typical path down the road to a depressing life.
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From a legal perspective, it is important to understand that law and how it is interpreted so that law abiding citizens like you and me do not break it at any time. I am sure no one here is seeking spiritual guidance and salavation. But thanks, it was a little motivational :)

But you did mention something interesting. Where did you read that you could get HIV by swimming in a public pool??
 
zyu said:
you are immune to nothing anyway. you can get HIV when you swim in a public pool, you can get a fatal accident when you drive, you can be shot by an anti-immigration american ...

FYI.
developing a negative thinking pattern will do no good to anybody. taking a small risk and bringing it to a big problem is a typical path down the road to a depressing life.
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ZYU: A us bron citizen is immune to having his citizenship involuntarily revoked!
FYI.
This is not a negative attitude, I am only stating an interpretation of the law.The question asked was whether CIS can question you about 'intent after GC' and the answer is YES, like it or not.
 
hipka said:
ZYU: A us bron citizen is immune to having his citizenship involuntarily revoked!
FYI.
This is not a negative attitude, I am only stating an interpretation of the law.The question asked was whether CIS can question you about 'intent after GC' and the answer is YES, like it or not.
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can you get HIV when you swim in a public pool? the answer is YES. like it or not. do i worry about getting HIV when i swim in a public pool? the answer is NO. why? go figure.
 
chinabee said:
Can you point a link to the actual case? I cannot believe that. Not i want the citizenship so much, but if anybody commits a crime, he/she would departed then as per this case.
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Do a google search on 'US citizen deported', you will find it. If one commits a crime after USC then the govt. can launch an investigation into his past and if they suspect his moral character they can strip his citizenship. This is not applicable to US born citizens
 
hipka said:
CIS can trouble you with "Intent after GC part" throughout your life! Becoming a citizen makes you immune to nothing. They can always question things like 'moral intent','fraudulent GC' etc. and take away your US citizenship.

In fact in jan2005, there was a case where a naturalized south east asian national was stripped of citizenship and deported because he established links with an organisation after becoming a USC. The crime therefore was committed after becoming a USC and they could not legally take away his citizenship, but the govt. used the constitution to point out that as his moral character was questionable it was possible to revoke his citizenship.

This was the reason I argued in another thread about 'second class' citizenship as allegiance and character can always be questioned.
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I doubt the authenticity of this information. This almost amounts to citizenship being diluted. It creates two classes of citizens, ones that were born citizens and ones that were naturalized. Also when one becomes an American citizen, one (depending on the law prevailing in his/her country) could no longer be a citizen of the country they were originally from. So that country may no longer be obligated to accept that person back. So where does that put this guy? In the ocean?? :) The government has the right to revoke citizenship, but the other country is not obligated to re-instate citizenship whenever the US revokes citizenship.

Could you please post a link maybe?
 
hipka said:
CIS can trouble you with "Intent after GC part" throughout your life! Becoming a citizen makes you immune to nothing. They can always question things like 'moral intent','fraudulent GC' etc. and take away your US citizenship.
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Nobody argues that if you commit some crime, you are going to pay for it and loosing citizenship might be very small part of it. I support such actions by CIS. Its better to get rid of criminal rathers than putting them behind bars at the expense of law abiding citizens and immigrants.

There is no point in giving some extreme example to answer simple q/s applicable to all members. Can CIS trouble you with "Intent after GC part"

Check link http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html. It says something different than what you claim. Check it out.
 
hipka said:
Do a google search on 'US citizen deported', you will find it. If one commits a crime after USC then the govt. can launch an investigation into his past and if they suspect his moral character they can strip his citizenship. This is not applicable to US born citizens
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From a quick search, I couldn't find an instance where a naturalized American citizen was deported. In fact much to the contrary from a government web site.

http://www.capaa.wa.gov/citizenship.html

I found one link that mentions that there could be a future law that could give the government power to deport naturalized citizens, but it was not from a US web site.
 
manik_baasha said:
From a quick search, I couldn't find an instance where a naturalized American citizen was deported. In fact much to the contrary from a government web site.

http://www.capaa.wa.gov/citizenship.html

I found one link that mentions that there could be a future law that could give the government power to deport naturalized citizens, but it was not from a US web site.
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Heres the link.
www.dawn.com/2005/01/06/top11.htm

You people are right, the internet is full of stuff claiming that citizens are equal,etc... I have researched this topic pretty well and am sure of what I am saying!!
 
qwertyisback said:
Nobody argues that if you commit some crime, you are going to pay for it and loosing citizenship might be very small part of it. I support such actions by CIS. Its better to get rid of criminal rathers than putting them behind bars at the expense of law abiding citizens and immigrants.

There is no point in giving some extreme example to answer simple q/s applicable to all members. Can CIS trouble you with "Intent after GC part"

Check link http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html. It says something different than what you claim. Check it out.
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The website you are showing is govt. sponsored one for new citizens. Do you seriously expect them to carry articles like the one I have shown!

You are right there is no point in giving that extreme example, but why do we immigrants find it so hard to believe that US citizenship can be revoked??????
 
qwertyisback said:
You obviously missed something

Check link http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html. It says something different than what you claim. Check it out.
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No, I did not miss anything. I checked out both INA 340 and 349. Check out INA349, the voluntary word is clearly spelt out at the top and only this is applicable to US born citizens, NOT INA 340.
 
hipka said:
No, I did not miss anything. I checked out both INA 340 and 349. Check out INA349, the voluntary word is clearly spelt out at the top and only this is applicable to US born citizens, NOT INA 340.
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I referred that link regarding your following argument.

hipka said:
CIS can trouble you with "Intent after GC part" throughout your life!
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That link clearly states otherwise., exactly opposite what you want to claim in above quotes.
 
qwertyisback said:
I referred that link regarding your following argument.



That link clearly states otherwise., exactly opposite what you want to claim in above quotes.
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This is what the link states:
You may also lose your US citizenship if you withheld information or misled the USCIS or INS when becoming a permanent resident. If within five years of becoming a permanent resident, the USCIS finds out that you withheld information from them or misled them in order to obtain your green card, the USCIS may also strip you of your US citizenship. Of course, after five years from becoming a permanent resident, the only way the USCIS would be able to take away your US citizenship would be if you withheld or misrepresented yourself during the naturalization process.

The above examples illustrates why you need to be both truthful and accurate when filing for naturalization and permanent residency. You don’t want to give the USCIS any ammunition they could use against you later if they or someone else (like a politician or government bureaucrat) is looking for any means to get rid of you.
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I don't see how it contradicts what I told. There is no way to get USC unless your GC is valid. If you never intended to work for the sponsor then the GC is invalid and the USC can be revoked anytime. Anything wrong with that???
 
hipka said:
Heres the link.
www.dawn.com/2005/01/06/top11.htm

You people are right, the internet is full of stuff claiming that citizens are equal,etc... I have researched this topic pretty well and am sure of what I am saying!!
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This is the one I saw too. But Dawn is a leading Pakistani daily, it is not in the best position to tell the what American laws are going to take shape. To be authentic, it must be from either a US government web site or a reputed immigration attorney's site. News bureaus, even if they are from the US, are no good.
 
hipka said:
This is what the link states:
You may also lose your US citizenship if you withheld information or misled the USCIS or INS when becoming a permanent resident. If within five years of becoming a permanent resident, the USCIS finds out that you withheld information from them or misled them in order to obtain your green card, the USCIS may also strip you of your US citizenship. Of course, after five years from becoming a permanent resident, the only way the USCIS would be able to take away your US citizenship would be if you withheld or misrepresented yourself during the naturalization process.

The above examples illustrates why you need to be both truthful and accurate when filing for naturalization and permanent residency. You don’t want to give the USCIS any ammunition they could use against you later if they or someone else (like a politician or government bureaucrat) is looking for any means to get rid of you.
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I don't see how it contradicts what I told. There is no way to get USC unless your GC is valid. If you never intended to work for the sponsor then the GC is invalid and the USC can be revoked anytime. Anything wrong with that???
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See highlighted part above. It says after 5 yrs of getting GC, you get kind of immunity regarding your GC and USC (note USC not GC) can be taken away only if you withheld or misrepresented yourself during the naturalization process.

Does "Intent after GC" is any way related to naturalization process?? N400 don't even ask any q/s related to "intent"... Then there is no misreprestation there. (And don't compare to extreme case, In those cases,US government can make life more miserable than you would ever worry about your USC)
 
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