waytoolong: you merrily attack christians/hindus/sikhs why not Islam ?? r u biased???
For example your following quote in this thread goes :
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Where on earth does the bible asks the Goan christians not to marry the eastern ones ? In fact this divisive practice permeated from the original hindu customs. The same is true for modern Shikism. Both Jesus and Nakak would be turning over in their graves right now if they knew how their relegions have been bastardized.
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you fail to address the killing/bombings of SHIA muslims by saudi sponsered pakistani and arab SUNNI WAHABI muslims in IRAQ, PAKISTAN and INDIA
You fail to rememeber th e rape and killings of SUFI KASHMIRI INDIAN men and women by Sunni wahabi arab and paki 'LIBERATORS'
you have no comment on the the status of 50% on INDIAN MUSLIM population being denied EQUAL rights. I am talking about the mothers, wives and daughters of Indian muslims who under the influence of saudi petro dollars forget that if 50% of their population remains discriminated against the other 50% does not have a chance and non muslims cant even talk about muslim women for fear of being accused of interefernece.
You dont comment on the second class citizen status of Mohajir or INDAIN MUSLIMS in PAKISTAN inspite of pak being a muslim state created out of India to give equal treatment to all INDIAN MUSLIMS why cant we call them back to India and have a special reservation quota for them in India?
MORE importantly you are SAYING that the PROFET MOHHAMAD PBUH will sleep peacefully when so many of his follwers are being mistreated by handful of his stronger, wiley and manipulative followers. (please refer to your quote above you have given sleepless nights or turning in their graves for NANAK PBUH and JESUS PBUH but are expecting MOHAMMAD PBUH to sleep peacefully).
One more instance of your bias
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I am not against any relegion, I am against racism (KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, casteism etc etc) and stupidity (Sharabi, IndiaToday, zapaddam etc)
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here again you remeber KKK, castiesm, aryan brotherhood but you forgot to mention Students Islamic movement of India SIMI, LAskare Toiba, Harkat ul Ansar Hezbollah islamic jehad and all those who killed daniel pearl, the Indian Kashmiris , the airline passenger rupan Katyal, the kashmiri sikhs, the israeli civilians, and the americans at world trade center
This selective memory of yours betrays a lack of objective outlook
Finally you have still not agreed that **e·gal·i·tar·i·an religions you were singing praises about, are NOT **e·gal·i·tar·i·an as they claim to be and in practice they are same if not worse than castiest hinduism.
three Instances of Biase against Hinduism and in favor of Islam One may find this statistically very significant.
if you agree to biase dont read further because it will be waste of your time however if you disagree go on may be i am wrong in my hypothesis.
as far as your following comments are concerned
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Now we are getting somewhere. My point is : NO discriminatory system should be allowed to survive within the framework of a secular democracy. Casteism and reservations are two sides of the same coin. One is discrimination - the other one is reverse discrimination. You legitimize one, you legitimize the other. My point is to demolish the infrastructure and then you have equal opportunities for all.
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castes are not legitimate in India except when you want to claim reservation benefits ! are you an Indian or a a pakistani posing as Indian if you dont know this basic fact?
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Actually another point I was trying to make is after 1950 it is the constitution (not God or any relegious diktat) that determines the rights of its citizens .... Here is the solution - ban the caste system altogether (and anything that depends on that institution).
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Now on to your 'solution of BANNING CASTE' system.
nowhere in the free and democratic India caste has any official backing. at no time one is banned or allowed on the basis of caste (except in case of reserved seats in institutes of higher learning and governemnt jobs. In fact my minority and backwards are are free to compete in the open category too) AND STILL I DO NOT WANT RESERVATIONS TO DISCONTINUE.
the question waytoolong is are YOU ready to stop dividing and subtracting on the basis of religion caste gender subsect language.
one question to which i expect an honest answer.
do you or Pallaniappam Rajaraman can say with confidence that in your personal or private life you never discriminated against anyone (however passively or subtly). Can you say that you stood up against it in India and here even if you were to lose personally or professionally.
If the answer is NO dont bother to answer
However if the answer is YES please quote instances as to how you set examples even though it cost you something. it will be worth thousand times more than the lipservice a lot of indian americans pay to the causes of backwards or muslims back in India while discriminating against african americans here in US.
we still await PRACTICAL and REAL solutions not a token solution like banning caste system. it is like SAUDI arabia and Pakistan banning terrorism. Islam and Christianity banning conversions based on force, deception or money and politicians around the world banning money laundering and bribing.
I dont think majority of Hindus are so cynical.
Waytoolong if you are a follower of Islam in my opinion you may want to consider the following
DONT DONATE to ISLAMIC CHARITIES without knowing the final destination of your donations (that money may be used for terrorist training and attacks on US or INDIA or SHIAs and SUFI muslims) and if you have already donated cash without checking the account books pl report it to local authorities (DONT FORGET)
NEVER discriminate against anyone on the basis of subsect (shia sunni sufi bahai ahmedia bohra etc) or Gender (allow ladies in your family and relation and religion to go out without burka if they want to, let them take education and jobs based on their capability and dont come in the way of their mixing with men folks of your religion freely) in fact fight for the equal rights of the ladies or never use the word **e·gal·i·tar·i·an you will look like a two headed serpent.
DO NOT drink and indulge in adultery or LEND money to earn Interest
MOST IMPORTANT stop your priest if he is preaching any form of hatered or discrimination between your race religion and others
YES STOP HIM RIGHT THERE so what if expels you from the community ? ARNT you a true SECULARIST TOLERANT UPRIGHT INDIA LOVER?
ANd yes In case you missed the point
I repeat that constitution was drawn up and authorised and voted in by the majority of Indians and whether one likes it or not that majority is made up of people following the 'hindu religion'
Majority Indians VOTED for reservations, freedom and equal rights to everyone. it did not come as a fatwa from haroun al rashid or vatican or some palace in arabistan aping the wastern lifestyle or some immam living off the petro dollars . If these freedoms and equal rights and reservations are enjoyed by people of India,( And they include those who were cheated by promises of paradise or jannat of equal treatment - **e·gal·i·tar·i·an - lest we forget- )then it is thanks to that 10000 year old culture of caring and sharing (not killing and cheating in the name of **e·gal·i·tar·i·an religion just to remind again)
try sampling Pakistani Muslims. Many will prefer to be in India and live a free life and prosper rather than live in Pakistaan. i was shocked by these reactions of pakistani students. conversely ask Indian muslims whether they would prefer to live in Muslim pakistaan or good old india. after 55 years they are more sure that they want to live in INDIA and never think of pakistaan. (and these are sunni wahabi Indian muslims i am alking about
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HAVE fun , open your eyes, a mirror does lot of good for a preacher and a critic and a friend of India. Should i be looking for two mirrors instead of only ONE for myself?
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Since your posts strongly suggest your bias for Islam, henceforth i wont be replying to any of your posts because i wont like to spend time arguing with religios bigots and zealots whether they are clothed in secularist garb or intellectual liberal faces.
thanks anyways and my best wishes ifor success in your mission
regards
olman
ps:
Hindus are open about their faults including caste system so they could do introspection and improve themsleves (something like zappaddam who i am sure is improving everyday)
the " new improved" recently branded religions sold old whisky in the new bottle of **e·gal·i·tar·i·an to gain market share but forgot that their fundamental business model or shall i say brew was flawed and hence could not sustain the ad jingles of new imporoved **e·gal·i·tar·i·an equality to their followers. so they had to resort to hardsell,bribing and diversionary tactics (like you know who
) and when the all out war for market share breaks out between the new brand owners you get the problems that we are seeing in todays world.
