Happy Ganesh Chaturthi

now let see latin and samskrit

FYI.. zero is available only in samskrit not in latin


Latin
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1 unus, una, unum
2 duo, duae, duo
3 tres, tres, tria
4 quattuor
5 quinque
6 sex
7 septem
8 octo
9 novem
10 decem

Samskrit
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Numerals, Cardinal numbers s:öKy:a v:ac:kaH
S:Üny: (shuunya) = number 0, zero
Ok (eka) = number 1, one
An:ðk (aneka) = many:Î
OkH (ekaH) = (m) number 1, one
Oka (ekaa) = (f) number 1, one
Okö (ekaM) = (n) number 1, one
e¾ (dvi) = (m) number 2, two
¾:ò (dvau) = (f) number 2, two
¾ð (dve) = (n) number 2, two
e*: (tri ) = number 3, three (See notes in the end)
*:y:H (trayaH) = (m) number 3, three
et:+H (tisraH) = (f) number 3, three
*:ieN: (triiNi) = (n) number 3, three
c:t:ØrÎ (chatur.h) = number 4, four
c:tv:arH (chatvaaraH) = (m) number 4, four
c:t:+H (chatasraH) = (f) number 4, four
c:tv:aer (chatvaari) = (n) number 4, four
p:Wc:n:Î (paJNchan.h) = number 5, five
p:Wc: (paJNcha) = number 5, five
\:\:Î (shhashh.h) = number 6, six (See notes in the end)
\:XÏ (shhaT.h) = number 6, six
\:RÏ (shhaD.h) = number 6, six
\:N:Î (shhaN.h) = number 6, six
s:pt:n:Î (saptan.h) = number 7, seven
s:pt: (sapta) = number 7, seven
AÄn:Î (ashhTan.h) = number 8, eight
AÄ (ashhTa) = number 8, eight
AÄ:ò (ashhTau) = number 8, eight
n:v:n:Î (navan.h) = number 9, nine
n:v: (nava) = number 9, nine
dS:n:Î (dashan.h) = number 10, ten
dS: (dasha) = number 10, ten
 
Pingpong nice garbage on Indo- european languages

and about throwing (immersion is the right word guys i never saw anyone THROWING the idols ) its to remind us all about the ephemeral nature of existence. With or wihout Ganesha's blessings everything and everyone of us is designed to disintegrate sooner or later.
so dont take yourself seriously if you got approved (that includes me) and dont take it too personal if you are still waiting
enjoy those mooncakes dont bother about the bombers here (like 9-11) or in Najaf or in mumbai (last week) Gods send them to remind us about how important it is to live every moment we have here by hastening the disintegration of some of us.

Lets hope lord Ganesha blesses us all with wisdom
 
Those who wish to criticise Hinduism hardly ever fail to highlight the point that Hinduism breeds social inequality and, tries to justify it with its religious code.

I donot think that it is proper to see and evaluate the caste system exclusively in terms of social inequality or social injustice. The system is so complex and multifaceted that it usually defies its comprehension in totality to an outsider. No social system, especially a system which is based on or which aims at exploitation of a group of its members can last so long and be so firmly rooted in the psyche and behavior of the people as the Indian caste system has been, withstanding all historical changes and strong and social upheavals; nor can it be said to be only negative and disadvantageous to the society. Its role in preserving the social and ethnic identity of a group, in building resistance against foreign religious and cultural influences has also to be taken into account.

It is not widely known that a sort of strong "family relationship" transcending the caste barriers existed and still exists among the members belonging to different castes and different castes and different social groups in the village society where the persons belonging to different castes are brothers and sisters, maternal and paternal aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces, etc, to each other and this relationships is zealously maintained in personal behavior and in social interactions.



Megasthenes lists "seven" castes and not "four," and from the provision in the law books themselves that in times of crisis (apaddharma) one could adopt the mode of livelihood of the lower varna. This phenomenon is dramatized by the fact that the kings and dynasties of ancient India hail from all the four varnas: the Shungas and Kanvas were Brahmins; the Guptas were Vaishyas and the Nandas were Sudras.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/09/25/stories/13250541.htm

Caste in modern times has been a potent weapon in the hands of enemies of
Hinduism, both external and from within. Hindus readily go on the
defensive whenever, the word 'Caste' is uttered by the combine of Hindu-baiters. Unfortunately,
till date there has been lacking a Hindu perspective on this issue. What
is needed is a Hindu School of Thought on this issue (among many others),
which can put the whole issue in proper perspective, so that the stifled
Hindu society can move on into the future. Even more importantly, proper
justice to our Hindu brethern who have been denied opportunities over the
centuries of mlechha (alien) political domination, can be awarded only
when a proper Hindu perspective on this issue is developed. In its
absence, power-hungry politicians have caught the Hindu society off-gaurd
and have put it into a quagmire of politics of casteism, politics of
subtraction and politics of division. This is a minimum and the foremost
requirement for laying the foundation of a resurgent Hindu society. Also,
such perspective should form the basis of a viable policy and program for
the Antyodaya (self-upliftment) of the Dalits.

There have been many white lies perpetrated by Hindu-baiters over caste.


"The humble sages, by virtue of true knowledge, see with equal vision a learned and gentle Brahman, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater." (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 5.18)
 
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Maharshi Valmiki

The Adikavi, the Poet of Poets, of India, who gave the world the immortal epic, the 'Ramayana'. By profession a highway robber, he came under the spell of Maharshi Narada and became a 'Brahmarshi' . He not only sang the matchless greatness of Sri Rama, but gave shelter to his wife Seetha Devi, and taught the epic to Sri Rama's sons.
 
Originally posted by pingpong02
Maharshi Valmiki

The Adikavi, the Poet of Poets, of India, who gave the world the immortal epic, the 'Ramayana'. By profession a highway robber, he came under the spell of Maharshi Narada and became a 'Brahmarshi' . He not only sang the matchless greatness of Sri Rama, but gave shelter to his wife Seetha Devi, and taught the epic to Sri Rama's sons.
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So we should be happy that we had HIGHWAY before others could even think of surface road. Really Cool!!!!!
 
Pingpong02/Olman :

So what are you two saying ? The status quo remains or should it be demolished like apartheid in South Africa was ?

The answer is obvious, isn't it ? If the system gives you a sense of belonging, a sense of identity and security, maybe a little advantage and nepotism at the workplace, then you would want it to stay. On the other hand, if you had nothing to gain from it but abuse, you would want it to go.

Therein lies the basic problem, you can quote 5000 years of scriptures from here to eternity to justify it, as long as you are a Boer, you would want apartheid to stay. You can always quote western journalists who spent a lifetime "studying" the virtues of the system, but the bottomline is that you have to be at the receiving end to know what it REALLY is like.

You would not undertand his sheer frustration at the system unless you were in Dr. Ambedkar's shoes.
 
On the other hand, if you had nothing to gain from it but abuse, you would want it to go.
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And you want today's casteism to continue so that you can benefit from the reservations ?? Aren't you doing the same mistakes that you claim/blame that someone's forefathers may have done ?? what a hypocrisy!!!


Therein lies the basic problem, you can quote 5000 years of scriptures from here to eternity to justify it
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And what were you doing when you qoute Manu ?? Aren't you living in history.

Before you point a finger at others , please realize that four of your fingers point towards you.
 
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Yaksha : Q.21 What makes one a real Brahmin? Is it birth, good conduct or learning? Answer decisively.

Yudishthir : Birth and learning don’t make one a Brahmin. Good conduct alone does. No matter the person may be from any class in society, it is his conduct that raises or lowers the person. However learned and knowledge a person may have but he will not be a Brahmin if he is slave to Bad habits. Even though he may be learned in the four Vedas, a man of bad conduct falls to a lower class

http://www.gmu.edu/org/hsc/YakshaPrashnas.html
 
Pingpong

Your posts are interesting. Your statement about Megasthenes is right but not in this context. While he made the observation that there were 7 "varnas" that was pre manu. there were still the same four varnas as we have now but there were several subdivisions at the lower end.
Anyway your point isd good. Ancient India was a tolerant society. It was not puritanical either. Sexual expression was more open. It changed in he midle ages, under the muslim rule and under the victorian British.
 
I don't get it - the only way one can defend the system is by quoting 5000 year old references. Doesn't it even strike anyone that the damn system is obsolete ? How can you defend the system and also complain about reservations ?
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5000 years old scriptures say that the people are to be measured by their deeds/actions/conduct while the 50 year old constitution claims you can apply/procure a job through reservation based on birth in a family (hereditary).

Now tell me which is obsolete..

Don't reject something just because it is old.
Don't accept something just because it is new.
 
Originally posted by pingpong02
5000 years old scriptures say that the people are to be measured by their deeds/actions/conduct while the 50 year old constitution claims you can apply/procure a job through reservation based on birth in a family (hereditary).

Now tell me which is obsolete..

Don't reject something just because it is old.
Don't accept something just because it is new.
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That is beautiful - so you want to keep the caste system because of whatever reasons but want to aviod the side-effects. I don't think that kind of Uotpia is possible any more (post 1950).

If you want to champion the caste system, fine - then stop whining about reservations which depends on the caste structure to survive.
 
waytoolong,


http://www.vedanet.com/Biography.htm

People like Dr. David Frawley (Pandit Vamadeva Shastri) have become a Hindu Brahmin by virtue of their deeds/actions/conduct.

While people like you still want to wrongly project hinduism as rigid and based on hereditary even though all the proof points to contrary because it gives you a sense of belonging, a sense of identity and security, maybe a little advantage and nepotism at the workplace and you would want it to stay.
 
Castes

waytoolong, i read repeatedly about your complaints that upper castes and Hinduism are not treating lower castes (harijans) properly and that's the reason you hate Hindus. Let me explain my side of the story.
Hinduism is not an organised religion. It is not defined by any specific parameters. Look at this: There is no christianity without Jesus and Bible, there is no Islam without Allah and Koran, there is no Sikhism without Gurunanak and 'GurgrandhSahib' book. The same thing applies to Jainism (no Jainism without Mahaveer Jain) and Budhism(no Budha, No Budhism). But there is Hinduism without Rama and Krishna (there are millions of pure hindus who might have never prayed to them). Almost any one and anything can be God to Hindus(you might have known that some people worship Snake). It is just a matter of personal selection. Samething is true with respect to Books. There is Hinduism without Ramayana and Bhagavadgita. These are certainly important books but Hinduism did not start with these books or with these Gods. Can any one tell me when did Hiduism start ?
Nobody in the world has ever said any date as a starting point of Hinduism. Why ? Because Hinduism is nothing but "way of life of people in the land called India". You might know that how the word Hindu is came into existence. Outsiders (Arabs etc) referred us as Hindus because we lived on the otherside of "Indus" river. Hence our country came to be called as Indians and we came to be known as Hindus (Arab pronouncement of "Indus"). That's why India is called as "Hindustan" by most of Arabs.
This is the reason i call "waytoolong" as anti-national because Hinduism means "Indianism". Any one who follows indian way of life is a Hindu. Caste system does not define Hinduism and Manu's book is not the basis of Hinduism. So you can't blame Hinduism because you don't like caste system. I don't think any educated person believes in Caste discrimination. Nobody , not even educated Brahmins of today(atlest majority of them i know) do not believe in Manu's book or it's theories. Unfortunately it is being followed in our land because of selfishness of the ruling classes .
waytoolong, i know that i had been a little harsh to you before, but i hope you can see the reason behind what i say here.
1. You say that Hindu temples do not permit Harijans into temple.
This is not correct. This type of practice might be still followed in some remote dusty roadside temples, but it is not followed in any temple in towns or at any of the famous Hindu temples. I visited some temple or other , some 2000 times in my life, and i have never seen the priest asking for anybody's caste. Don't base your opinions based on practises of a tiny village temple. FYI, i lived some time in two different villages, both have temples, and i have never visited any of them, even though i am very devotional.
2. You say that Upper caste Hindus treat Lower castes very badly.
My answer is "It's the economy that's stupid". Remember one golden sentence "THERE IS NO PLACE FOR WEAK PEOPLE (or) WEAK RACES IN THIS UGLY HORRIBLE WORLD" . Is not this the reason(being weak) for India being conquered by Muslims and Christians ? I don't think any Harijan who made it good economically (due to reservations) has ever faced problems. These so called upper castes will come to this harijans house with sweets and handshakes if he is having money and political power. Our newspapers are to be blamed for the kind of impression that people like you carry and propogate. If upper caste men beat lower caste man, then it's called caste issue. If a Harijan or a lower caste person rapes a upper caste women, then they never report that a Harijan has raped a brahmin or what ever. Now don't tell me that Harijans don't do rapes.

Finally, i would say that give up negative ideas about caste system and Hinduism. No educated Hindu will follow discrimination and hatred for others. Caste system is already dying and by the time your children become adults, i hope that it(caste syastem) will be gone into history.
 
Oracle command

Let's apply the following oracle command : "delete from India where caste is not null" . How do you like it waytoolong ? :D :D
 
For all those who say that casteism is not there in Hinduism, how many of you have gone out and married an educated/employed person, who belongs to a Harijan caste? When you are on the lookout for marriage alliances why do the classified specify the caste?

Why are there two organizations TANA and ATA for those of you who are from AP? Why does one political party always represent only one caste? I can give a lot of examples like this. I am not saying things are not improving, but there is a long way to go.

When you talk about temples, is there any temple that has a non-brahmin priest? Don't give me that crap - anyone that learns the mantras can become one. Let's talk reality here - even if one learns those mantras, that temple will be abandoned.
 
For all those who say that casteism is not there in Hinduism, how many of you have gone out and married an educated/employed person, who belongs to a Harijan caste? When you are on the lookout for marriage alliances why do the classified specify the caste?
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The so called caste system that is being followed today is flawed. It has nothing to do with Hinduism.

Marriage is more broader than today's so called caste system.

It takes into account

-- Medical History of the family
-- Horoscope matching
-- language and dilect
-- Region
-- Religion
-- caste
-- Sub-sect/ subcaste
-- Rich/poor
-- Education
-- Profession
-- Thinking and compatibility
etc etc

I think mixing marriage and caste is not accurate.
 
Holy mother of God !!! And I proposed to my wife just because I thought she is hot and smart !!!! It's got to be a miracle that we are still married. I have a feeling if we check our "horrorscopes" they will say that we are doomed :D :D :D

Originally posted by pingpong02
The so called caste system that is being followed today is flawed. It has nothing to do with Hinduism.

Marriage is more broader than today's so called caste system.

It takes into account

-- Medical History of the family
-- Horoscope matching
-- language and dilect
-- Region
-- Religion
-- caste
-- Sub-sect/ subcaste
-- Rich/poor
-- Education
-- Profession
-- Thinking and compatibility
etc etc

I think mixing marriage and caste is not accurate.
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