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Happiness for millions of people in the world

This is good news for Dv winners expecially 2008 and may be 2009 but unfunately illigal immigants already in the will be very sad.My heart goes out to all.
 
For those of us who are awaiting DV2008 interviews this is indeed good news. I am happy to know that the process will continue. On the other hand I am sorry for those who are in the US illegaly and were hoping that this bill would be passed. I know someone who is going to be so terribly disappointed.
 
For those of us who are awaiting DV2008 interviews this is indeed good news. I am happy to know that the process will continue. On the other hand I am sorry for those who are in the US illegaly and were hoping that this bill would be passed. I know someone who is going to be so terribly disappointed.

It is a shame, there are many thousands of illegal Irish people in the US too, I feel sorry for them, this bill was the first chance in along time for them to get legal status. But this is still a major issue in the US political arena, its stalled for now, but it will have to be sorted out eventually. Although such a compromise between the republicans and the democrats supported by bush was definitely a unique opportunity.
Who knows what the future will hold for these people, we will just have to wait and see.
 
On the other hand I am sorry for those who are in the US illegaly
Why are you are sorry for those people? We are working hard to get a working permit or try to win the lottery and they did nothing and should become legal?
 
Why are you are sorry for those people? We are working hard to get a working permit or try to win the lottery and they did nothing and should become legal?

I agree with you. If that bill would pass by Senate millions of people around the world that are playing by the rules, that want to make every detail in their migration process to USA legally will be affected and never will have opportunity to get a green card. That bill was not approved and I Thank God once more time for this.
 
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Unfortunately DV Lottery is still on track for cancellation via House of representatives bill. :(

As some of you may know that one of the very first people to get behind cancelling the lottery was Bob Goodlatte (House of Rep)
and he has come up again with bill to cancell lottery this time with a 'sneaky way' of eliminating the program.

He added ammendment to Appropriations bill H.R 2764 to stop funding for DV Lottery hence bring the programme to a halt
Since appropriations bills deal with financial spending/budgeting, this is another way of killing the lottery.
The bad news is that this bill has already been passed by House of Representatives and is currently in Senate for their vote. And this very well advance din its stages compared to the Senat Immigfration bill which was still being debated on let alone being voted and sent to House of Rep

Since this is a financial bill with no major immigration issues embedded in it, this bill will go thru quite easily without time wasting debate by Senate

DV2008 should still be fine even though the current effective date in proposed bill is 1st Oct 2007 since this date will likely change during conference committee 'ironing out'

And even if this bill ends up being law without the Lottery elimination, another bill is in House of Rep By Bood Goodlatte
which specifically targets just lottery elimination ( H.R 1430) this is still in infant stage. Based on a similar one introduced by Bob last time which died
last time due to Congress session finising end of 2006, this may get voted and sent to Senate by Sept/Oct 2007.

But realistically DV lottery will suffer the total cutoff of funding as per H.R 2764 and this will hence eliminate lottery or at the very least
the processing fee for lottery will SKYROCKET.

So while a comprehensive immigration looks dead for rest of this year and possibly next year DV Lottery is still very much on track for cancellation via the above 2 bills - however DV2008 being virtually safe but DV2009 looking to die together with DV Program

Cheers


Below is Bob Goodlatte reasoning of elimination of lottery


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This month, the House of Representatives passed an amendment, by voice vote, introduced by Congressman Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) to stop taxpayer money from funding the Diversity Visa Lottery program. This bipartisan amendment was included as part of H.R. 2764, the State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Act for FY2008, and would eliminate funding for the visa lottery program, a controversial program through which 50,000 aliens are chosen at random to come and live permanently in the United States.



"The visa lottery system poses a serious national security threat. Under the program, each successful applicant is chosen at random and given the status of permanent resident based on pure luck," Goodlatte said. "Usually, immigrant visas are issued to foreign nationals who have an existing connection with a family member lawfully residing in the United States or with a U.S. employer. These types of relationships help to ensure that immigrants entering the country have a stake in our nation's continued success, and have needed skills to contribute to our nation's economy. However, under the visa lottery program, visas are awarded to immigrants at random without meeting such criteria."



The State Department's Inspector General testified during the 109th Congress that "the Office of Inspector General continues to believe that the Diversity Visa program contains significant risks to national security from hostile intelligence officers, criminals and terrorists attempting to use the program for entry into the U.S. as permanent residents."



An example of the system gone awry, and thereby posing a security threat, is the case of Hesham Mohamed Ali Hedayet, the Egyptian national who killed two and wounded three during a shooting spree at Los Angeles International Airport in July of 2002. Hedayet was a beneficiary of the immigration lottery. He and his family earned permanent resident status after his wife won the federal visa lottery, despite Hedayet's own admission to the INS that he had been accused by the Egyptian government of being a member of a known terrorist organization.



The visa lottery program is also wrought with fraud. A recent report released by the Center for Immigration Studies states that it is commonplace for foreign nationals to apply for the lottery program multiple times using many different aliases and other false personal information. In addition, the visa lottery program has spawned a cottage industry featuring sponsors in the U.S. who falsely promise success to applicants in exchange for large sums of money. Ill-informed foreign nationals are often willing to pay top dollar for the 'guarantee' of lawful permanent resident status in the U.S.

The visa lottery actually discriminates against law-abiding citizens of a number of countries including Mexico, the Philippines, Canada and the United Kingdom who are prohibited from participation in the visa lottery because their countries have sent high numbers of immigrants to the U.S.



The State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Act for FY2008 will be referred to a Conference Committee with the U.S. Senate
 
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My own take

Unfortunately DV Lottery is still on track for cancellation via House of representatives bill. :(

As some of you may know that one of the very first people to get behind cancelling the lottery was Bob Goodlatte (House of Rep)
and he has come up again with bill to cancell lottery this time with a 'sneaky way' of eliminating the program.

He added ammendment to Appropriations bill H.R 2764 to stop funding for DV Lottery hence bring the programme to a halt
Since appropriations bills deal with financial spending/budgeting, this is another way of killing the lottery.
The bad news is that this bill has already been passed by House of Representatives and is currently in Senate for their vote. And this very well advance din its stages compared to the Senat Immigfration bill which was still being debated on let alone being voted and sent to House of Rep

Since this is a financial bill with no major immigration issues embedded in it, this bill will go thru quite easily without time wasting debate by Senate

DV2008 should still be fine even though the current effective date in proposed bill is 1st Oct 2007 since this date will likely change during conference committee 'ironing out'

And even if this bill ends up being law without the Lottery elimination, another bill is in House of Rep By Bood Goodlatte
which specifically targets just lottery elimination ( H.R 1430) this is still in infant stage. Based on a similar one introduced by Bob last time which died
last time due to Congress session finising end of 2006, this may get voted and sent to Senate by Sept/Oct 2007.

But realistically DV lottery will suffer the total cutoff of funding as per H.R 2764 and this will hence eliminate lottery or at the very least
the processing fee for lottery will SKYROCKET.

DV2008 should be safe but DV2009 looks very dead for now.

Cheers


Below is Bob Goodlatte reasoning of elimination of lottery


=========================================================

This month, the House of Representatives passed an amendment, by voice vote, introduced by Congressman Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) to stop taxpayer money from funding the Diversity Visa Lottery program. This bipartisan amendment was included as part of H.R. 2764, the State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Act for FY2008, and would eliminate funding for the visa lottery program, a controversial program through which 50,000 aliens are chosen at random to come and live permanently in the United States.



"The visa lottery system poses a serious national security threat. Under the program, each successful applicant is chosen at random and given the status of permanent resident based on pure luck," Goodlatte said. "Usually, immigrant visas are issued to foreign nationals who have an existing connection with a family member lawfully residing in the United States or with a U.S. employer. These types of relationships help to ensure that immigrants entering the country have a stake in our nation's continued success, and have needed skills to contribute to our nation's economy. However, under the visa lottery program, visas are awarded to immigrants at random without meeting such criteria."



The State Department's Inspector General testified during the 109th Congress that "the Office of Inspector General continues to believe that the Diversity Visa program contains significant risks to national security from hostile intelligence officers, criminals and terrorists attempting to use the program for entry into the U.S. as permanent residents."



An example of the system gone awry, and thereby posing a security threat, is the case of Hesham Mohamed Ali Hedayet, the Egyptian national who killed two and wounded three during a shooting spree at Los Angeles International Airport in July of 2002. Hedayet was a beneficiary of the immigration lottery. He and his family earned permanent resident status after his wife won the federal visa lottery, despite Hedayet's own admission to the INS that he had been accused by the Egyptian government of being a member of a known terrorist organization.



The visa lottery program is also wrought with fraud. A recent report released by the Center for Immigration Studies states that it is commonplace for foreign nationals to apply for the lottery program multiple times using many different aliases and other false personal information. In addition, the visa lottery program has spawned a cottage industry featuring sponsors in the U.S. who falsely promise success to applicants in exchange for large sums of money. Ill-informed foreign nationals are often willing to pay top dollar for the 'guarantee' of lawful permanent resident status in the U.S.

The visa lottery actually discriminates against law-abiding citizens of a number of countries including Mexico, the Philippines, Canada and the United Kingdom who are prohibited from participation in the visa lottery because their countries have sent high numbers of immigrants to the U.S.



The State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Act for FY2008 will be referred to a Conference Committee with the U.S. Senate
It will be interesting to find out how much the US taxpayer actually pays to fund the lottery. The OIG/DOS report from some years back indicated that the DV visa fees were actually increased to $375 in order to cover the cost of the program- so I doubt if there is any Govt. subsidy to this program. Since the lottery is still US law [has not been repealed], the DOS will probably continue it and pass on the cost to lottery-winners [which it is already doing anyway].
I suppose Bob just wants to kill the lottery; otherwise, there is already strict security screening for winners before they get visas [some security checks take up to 6 months to complete] and the DOS has all these fancy gadgets to eliminate duplicate entries.
Why does Bob want to include UK,Mexico,Canada,Phillipines in the lottery?
The lottery only gives out 50,000 visas annually to the rest of the world.
In 2004, Mexico alone got 167,000 new green cards and India got 77,000.
Why does Bob want to take away the crumbs from the rest of us?:confused: :eek:
 
Well said Baba Aladura. Lottery winners have been paying their costs already and for US based winners they will be paying even more come July 30th. I don't particularly agree with Bob's reasons for wanting to canel the program. There are many security checks existing to ensure safety already, though there is always the possibility of some unwanteds getting through, but this can also happen via family based and employment based immigration as well.

I also do not agree with his discrimination theory either. How is it discriminatory when those countires he mentioned already have hoardes of immigrants entering the US on a yearly basis? To allow them to participate in the DV Lottery while they already send so many immigrants every year, in my humble opinion will be discriminatory to the rest of us.
 
I'd also made some analysis on it but not sure the current status of H.R.2764

I'd found out two simliar bills in 109th Congress:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.03057:
An act making appropriations for the Department of State, foreign operations, and related programs for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006, and for other purposes

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.05522:
Making appropriations for foreign operations, export financing, and related programs for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007, and for other purposes

The first one become law, but I don't understand what is the meaning of
the second one, H.R.5522, if the last status is Placed on Senate Legislative
Calendar under General Orders, does it mean that it cannot become bill?

I would also like to ask, if the bill placed into calendar, what is the conditions
to let the bill start the debate? It seems that most of the bill do not schedule
to debate

For the simliar case in H.R.3057, it become law on November 2005,
if the same case occur in H.R.2764, does it mean that DV2009 can be
start?

Finally, even DV2009 cannot be start, does it mean that the next year,
ending September 2009, it need to make a bill again to stop the funding
of DV2010? Thank you
 
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