H1B- Advanced degree quota

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asulikeit49

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The candidate below has finished

1. Bachelors of Dentistry from India (Equivalent to DDS in the US)
2. Advanced training in Pediatric Dentistry from a large US University Hospital - this is a common two year residency program for Dentists in the US to specialize further in Pediatrics. They give a "Advanced Education in Pediatric Dentistry" certificate (not a Masters)

So I have two questions:

A. Is this candidate eligible to apply in the Advanced Degree Quota for H-1B?
B. If he applies in the Advanced Degree Quota and BCIS decides that because he does not have a Masters degree will that make him in-eligible for the general quota as well? How does BCIS treat such kind of cases.

Based on the response I will decide whether to apply for this candidate in the general quota (Bachelors pool) or the Advanced Education quota (where I think the chances will improve significantly)

Please advise.
 
I would definitely apply under general quota as the advanced degree quota is for Masters degree holder from U.S. universities only. Regarding your second question, a lottery was performed (last year) for the H-1B general quota. The adjudication of the Masters will be well after the lottery. So, I wouldn't take the risk.
 
Masters quota

Well yes--though the adjudication of Masters will be well after the lottery, but once an application is sent it stays sent. And since I cannot apply for both General quota and the Masters quota, I was getting inclined to apply in the masters quota because the probability of getting through in the lottery with the masters quota will be much higher than the probability of getting through in general quota. But I agree with you that if the USCIS determines that my "Advanced education in Pediatric dentistry" is not enough to be called an advanced degree, then off course my best bet is the general quota. Is there a ruling, or a Memo or any document by the USCIS that calls these trainings of doctors, dentists and other health care professionals as not equivalent to masters or for that matter equivalent to masters.
Anyone who has any information on this issue---please enlighten....the time is running out.
Thanks a lot Manwhithnoname for your input
 
Do you have unconditional state license to practice dentistry?

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asulikeit49 said:
The candidate below has finished

1. Bachelors of Dentistry from India (Equivalent to DDS in the US)
BDS is not at all eqt to DDS. Bachelor degree is never going to be eqivalentt to a doctorate degree in dentistry. To get a DDS degree minimum qualification is 4 year BS degree with very good GPA and good grade in DAT entrance, but get BDS is just 12 th grade in High school.
Most of the BDS degree holders must go to US Dental school to do 2 or 3 years (international program) to get DDS to practice as dentist in most of the cases even to get a license to practice,

2. Advanced training in Pediatric Dentistry from a large US University Hospital - this is a common two year residency program for Dentists in the US to specialize further in Pediatrics. They give a "Advanced Education in Pediatric Dentistry" certificate (not a Masters)

So I have two questions:

A. Is this candidate eligible to apply in the Advanced Degree Quota for H-1B?

To be eligible for H1 for a dentist you must have an unconditional state license to practice not the degree. What is the requirements for getting unconditional license to practice, it differ state to state.

B. If he applies in the Advanced Degree Quota and BCIS decides that because he does not have a Masters degree will that make him in-eligible for the general quota as well? How does BCIS treat such kind of cases.

Do you have state un- conditional license to practice in dentistry, this document is very important before applying for an H1b?
Based on the response I will decide whether to apply for this candidate in the general quota (Bachelors pool) or the Advanced Education quota (where I think the chances will improve significantly)

Please advise.
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License

Yes great guru.
I have a full unconditioned license to practice dentistry in the State of TX.
Will this be of any help to me.
Please reply.
 
Advanced training- Not a masters

To help you more on that, I need to know full contents of the Texas Dental Board License. Which Board exam did you take to qualify for licensure?

What courses (List it) did you take during the residency?
Why are posting you have limited license? Unless you give full details, I can not do guess work. or send me a PM.

Previously you posted 3 years residency, but you are posting GPR, GPR is nothing to do with dentistry. So this residency is not considered in immigration purpose but useful in your clinical side.


If you give your institute name and exact name of your residency I can verify the course credentials through my resources and come with a solutions.

I remeber you compare BDS with DDS without knowing the difference, most of the state with your residency without DDS/DMD from an US dental school you are not eligible to get an un conditional licence to practice thus no H1.


Hi great guru.
This is the first reponse I have got from several forums that I have posted my querry on which seems to be a silver lining in the dark cloud.
As a result I want to be very sure about it.
Do you know of any cases or any memo to this effect. Or for that matter is there any information about this anywhere in this frum that I can explore.

Just to give you an even better background---I have done 2 different residencies
1) One year GPR- General practice Residency ( I took just a couple of courses during this residency, that I have transcripts of. Rest of the training was all clinical under the supervision of a faculty, and I had a limited license)
2) 2 year - pediatric dentistry residency. During this residency/training, I was involved with didactics for the whole 2 years with transcripts issued for each course with grades. There was also a requirement of a research completion. I could have asily completed a Masters, but Katrina happened and I had to move from New Orleans and though was able to complete my training in time, but was not able to complete my Masters.

Also could you suggest how should I make my application ---just broadly outline to make a solid case out of this.
Your help will be greatly appreciated and I know a bunch of people out there who are stuck with this question. I have also posted this question for Mr. Khanna for his March 13th Live conference. I sincerely hope he gets to my question.
Thanks a lot
 
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Which one did you take: WREB, CRDTS, NERB or SRTA?
asulikeit49 said:
To help you more on that, I need to know full contents of the Texas Dental Board License. Which Board exam did you take to qualify for licensure?

What courses (List it) did you take during the residency?
Why are posting you have limited license? Unless you give full details, I can not do guess work. or send me a PM.

Previously you posted 3 years residency, but you are posting GPR, GPR is nothing to do with dentistry. So this residency is not considered in immigration purpose but useful in your clinical side.


If you give your institute name and exact name of your residency I can verify the course credentials through my resources and come with a solutions.

I remeber you compare BDS with DDS without knowing the difference, most of the state with your residency without DDS/DMD from an US dental school you are not eligible to get an un conditional licence to practice thus no H1.


Hi great guru.
This is the first reponse I have got from several forums that I have posted my querry on which seems to be a silver lining in the dark cloud.
As a result I want to be very sure about it.
Do you know of any cases or any memo to this effect. Or for that matter is there any information about this anywhere in this frum that I can explore.

Just to give you an even better background---I have done 2 different residencies
1) One year GPR- General practice Residency ( I took just a couple of courses during this residency, that I have transcripts of. Rest of the training was all clinical under the supervision of a faculty, and I had a limited license)
2) 2 year - pediatric dentistry residency. During this residency/training, I was involved with didactics for the whole 2 years with transcripts issued for each course with grades. There was also a requirement of a research completion. I could have asily completed a Masters, but Katrina happened and I had to move from New Orleans and though was able to complete my training in time, but was not able to complete my Masters.

Also could you suggest how should I make my application ---just broadly outline to make a solid case out of this.
Your help will be greatly appreciated and I know a bunch of people out there who are stuck with this question. I have also posted this question for Mr. Khanna for his March 13th Live conference. I sincerely hope he gets to my question.
Thanks a lot
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Great Guru,
Please see my responses in red.To help you more on that, I need to know full contents of the Texas Dental Board License. Which Board exam did you take to qualify for licensure?

Following is written on my TX State Board License-
Texas Licensed Dentist
Dr. XYZ
Is legally qualified to practice dentistry in this State under the laws of Texas governing such practice
Expiration date -------08
License no. 12345​
Anesthesia Permits:
Enteral
Nitrous Oxide
Intranasal
Subcutaneous
Submucosal
Intramuscular
Intravenous

Anesthesia Portability: Yes
Signed by- Presiding officer.

I received this full unconditional license from TX because TX allows a foreign trained graduate (like BDS from India) who has completed at least 2 yrs. Of advanced training in CODA (Commission on Dental Accreditation) and ADA (American Deal Association) accredited advanced training program in ADA accredited specialties (Oral Medicine, Oral Pathology, Oral Radiology, Endodontics, Prosthodontics, Pediatric Dentistry, Orthodontics, Oral Surgery and Dental Public Health) to take the licensing exam. And to answer your question, I took WREB. Once I cleared WREB, I took TX Dental Jurisprudence Exam, following which I received the above license.
What courses (List it) did you take during the residency?

Advanced Radiology, Pulp and periodontal pathology, Research Methodology, Pediatric Oral Pathology, Cephalometrics, Minor tooth movement clinics, Craniofacila Morphology, Advanced Pediatric Dentistry Research, Dental Pediatrics, Advanced Clinical Pediatric Dentistry, Case analyses and treatment planning, Advanced pediatric dentistry seminars and presentations, General Pediatric Rotations, General anesthesia rotations.
I have been enrolled in the above mentioned courses at different periods of the 24 months of training fulfilling the required no. of credit hours and also taking the tests and assignments for which I received grades at the completion of these courses. I have the transcripts from the University which lay these out in details.
The Certificate the I received from the Louisiana State University Health Science Center at New Orleans says-
This is to certify that XYZ
Has been enrolled in the postgraduate program in Pediatric Dentistry from
Mm/dd/yyyy to mm/dd/yyyy and has fulfilled all of the requirements
And accordingly hereby awarded this
Certificate in Pediatric Dentistry
In testimony whereof, the signatures and the seal have been hereunto affixed.​
Chancellor, Dean, Post graduate program Director, Head of the department. These four people have signed my certificate.
The points to note are that it says that this is a post graduate program and one of the persons has signed off as a post graduate program director who was my immediate boss.
Again on the transcript it is written that the degree I have received is a Certificate in Advanced Specialty Program in Pediatric Dentistry.

Why are posting you have limited license? Unless you give full details, I can not do guess work. or send me a PM.
Well I HAD limited license when I used to see patients while in my trainng program, which meant that I could not work outside or moonlight while I was in the training program, whereas my American colleagues who already had full licenses because they graduated from the American Dental schools, could work outside even while in the residency….just to explain limited and full license.
Previously you posted 3 years residency, but you are posting GPR, GPR is nothing to do with dentistry. So this residency is not considered in immigration purpose but useful in your clinical side.
Let me explain GPR- General Practice Residency is Dental Residency in a Hospital set-up, but again the hospital I did this residency in was a University Hospital. This residency helped my credentials so that I may apply to advanced training program like –Pediatric Dentistry which is fiercely competitive.

If you give your institute name and exact name of your residency I can verify the course credentials through my resources and come with a solutions.
GPR- form- University of Missouri, Kansas City
Advanced Postgraduate Certificate in Pediatric Dentistry- Louisiana State University Health Science Center at New Orleans

I remember you compare BDS with DDS without knowing the difference –Well I know the difference, and the only reason I said that was because when you apply to these post graduate programs, they say that you should either have completed a DDS/DMD from an ADA accredited dental school or a foreign equivalent. And my evaluation reports always said that it was equivalent to a DDS or DMD program of study in the US. ,

most of the state with your residency without DDS/DMD from an US dental school you are not eligible to get an unconditional license to practice thus no H1.
You are correct but there are about 15 states which also allow the foreign trained dentists with advanced education in these specialty to get licensed in their states in some way of the other depending on their own rules and regulations and Texas is one of them.
And my issue is not about not getting an H1B. I have an H1B but from a Community Health Center, as a non-profit cap exempt entity. I am doing pediatric dentistry in its pure clinical form. But because my application last year for cap subject H1B was not picked in the lottery, I wish to apply this year in the Masters quota.

So please help me out great guru.
I will really appreciate it.
Do you still want to PM you
Thanks
 
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Great guru, still waiting for your response. Please help, or anyone else who has some idea about this particular issue
 
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