H-1 B workers paid less than locals with similar jobs

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Pretty disappointing article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1967955.cms
(From Times of India)

WASHINGTON: H-1B visa holders are "taken advantage of" and, contrary to claims by US industry, are paid less salary than similarly qualified American citizens, says a new study.

Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) vice president Phiroz Vandrevala even admitted that his company enjoys a competitive advantage because of its extensive use of foreign workers in the United States on H-1B and L-1 visas, according to the study by IEEE-USA, a unit of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc.

"Our wage per employee is 20-25 per cent less than US wages for a similar employee," Vandrevala said.

"Typically, for a TCS employee with five years experience, the annual cost to the company is $60,000-70,000, while a local American employee might cost $80,000-100,000.

"This (labour arbitrage) is a fact of doing work onsite. It's a fact that Indian IT companies have an advantage here and there's nothing wrong in that. The issue is that of getting workers in the US on wages far lower than the local wage rate."

IEEE-USA president Ralph W. Wyndrum, Jr. said proposals now before Congress to raise the H-1B visa cap should be scrapped until significant workforce protections for US and H-1B employees are instituted.

"Not paying market wages to H-1B holders is unfair to both foreign and domestic high-tech workers," Wyndrum said.

"H-1B employees are being taken advantage of, and some US workers' salaries are likely suppressed by the influx of thousands of additional job competitors. The wage problem is one symptom of how deeply flawed the H-1B programme is."


Findings showing H-1B holders earning less than the market wages paid to US technology workers include:

1) Immigrant engineers with H-1B visas may be earning up to 23 per cent less on an average than American engineers with similar jobs, according to documents filed with the US Department of Labor (DOL). Salary data from Labor Condition Applications (LCAs) lends credence to arguments that lower compensation paid to H-1B workers suppresses the wages of other electronics professionals.

2) In spite of the requirement that H-1B workers be paid the prevailing wage, H-1B workers earn significantly less than their American counterparts. On an average, applications for H-1B workers in computer occupations were for wages $13,000 less than Americans in the same occupation and state. Applications for 47 per cent of H-1B computer programming workers were for wages below even the prevailing wage claimed by their employers.

3) Some (H-1B) employers said they hired H-1B workers in part because these workers would often accept lower salaries than similarly qualified US workers; however, these employers said they never paid H-1B workers less than the required wage.

According to IEEE-USA vice president Ron Hira, the concept of "prevailing wages" is worthless as a safeguard for US and H-1B workers.

"Proponents of the H-1B programme say that by law H-1B workers must receive prevailing wages, but this is a legal façade so full of loopholes that it is frequently gamed by employers to pay below-market wages," Hira said.

"This is another myth of the H-1B programme, that prevailing wages are the same as market wages."

A review of the DOL's LCA database for FY 2005 shows some of the well-below-market wages employers have been certified to pay H-1B workers.

For example, Teja Technologies received permission to pay a software engineer $10,900. Infosys Technologies was authorised to pay a programmer analyst $20,030. TCS was certified to pay a computer programmer $20,571, and Syntel Inc. was permitted to pay a computer programmer $31,304.

Under law, US employers have three options for determining an H-1B employee's prevailing wage. According to the DOL, an employer can request a "prevailing wage determination from the appropriate State Workforce Agency; use a "survey conducted by an independent authoritative source"; or use "another legitimate source of information".

Despite the law's intent, Hira enumerated a few ways companies circumvent the law's prevailing wage requirements when hiring H-1B workers:

* By selecting a survey source with the lowest salaries;
* By misclassifying an experienced worker as entry level;
* By giving the person a lower-paying job title than one reflective of the work to be performed;
* By citing wages for a low-cost area of the country, then sending an employee to a higher-cost area.

One reason it is so easy for employers to underpay H-1B holders is they know how to exploit the loopholes and have almost no chance of ever being investigated, the study noted.

Even if they were investigated, the loopholes are so large most of the employers would likely be found following the letter of the law.

First, DOL's automated review of LCAs is limited to looking for missing information or obvious inaccuracies; no human looks at the applications.

Second, if a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) review finds that an H-1B worker's income on the W-2 form is less than the wage on the original LCA, DHS does not have a way to report the discrepancy to DOL.

"It's a self-policing system that is never actually checked," Hira said. "The law itself is written in a way to invite exploitation. It should be no surprise that firms take advantage of the loopholes."

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I think the lower salary is justified if the H1 worker received all his education in a developing country.

With the exception of India's IITs and a few good Korean/Chinese universities, US universities definitely have much more dedicated faculty and well organised programs. At the Master's and PhD level, the difference is even more marked.

Secondly, in terms of soft skills development, American universities without question provide a more rounded education. "Portability" of accented english is also an issue.

So, from the overall perspective I think an H1B coming directly from India or China cannot be paid as much as an American graduate.

Of course, if there is a discrepancy between Americans and Foreigners who have graduated from the same US university in the same program, that is a much more serious issue.
 
energydude said:
I think the lower salary is justified if the H1 worker received all his education in a developing country.

With the exception of India's IITs and a few good Korean/Chinese universities, US universities definitely have much more dedicated faculty and well organised programs. At the Master's and PhD level, the difference is even more marked.

Secondly, in terms of soft skills development, American universities without question provide a more rounded education. "Portability" of accented english is also an issue.

So, from the overall perspective I think an H1B coming directly from India or China cannot be paid as much as an American graduate.

Of course, if there is a discrepancy between Americans and Foreigners who have graduated from the same US university in the same program, that is a much more serious issue.

A nice well rounded racist aren't you. If you are hired for a job, you have the same/similar qualification as the other guy, so why is it ok to discriminate? But the US job market does not pay everyone equally (even among US citizens/PRs), so the disparity is just the market forces and not necessarily due to discrimiation by the companies (to 20-25% disparity should be marked as discrimination).
 
Well, I am from India. I have been to both IIT and an American university for graduate school.

Quite honestly, I can see many areas where IITs too are severely lacking. IIT's technical education and the quality of students are second to none, no doubt. But -

1. There is almost no emphasis on independent inquiry and a rounded education through humanities, arts etc.

2. The course structure at IIT is very command control - most of the time you do the courses you are told to do and that's that, until the final year. Doesn't exactly encourage students to explore different areas.

3. Worst of all, people are ordered into programs which might have nothing to do with what their intrinsic interests are. It is by RANK in IIT-JEE. And by the way I was in the top 100 so I didn't have any choice issues, but I could see there were many people who did for no good reason. I saw many really talented programmers who could not get into the CS program simply because they were not good at the JEE Physics and Chemistry exams. And there were people dumped into pure Physics and Chemistry programs because they had a low JEE rank which was in turn because they weren't that good at either subject! What an irony!

The situation in the rest of the Indian institutions such as RECs etc is even worse.

So, nothing racist about acknowledging where the faults lie...

Sc3 said:
A nice well rounded racist aren't you. If you are hired for a job, you have the same/similar qualification as the other guy, so why is it ok to discriminate? But the US job market does not pay everyone equally (even among US citizens/PRs), so the disparity is just the market forces and not necessarily due to discrimiation by the companies (to 20-25% disparity should be marked as discrimination).
 
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Hey energydude,
An excellent point by you. It takes courage to accept faults within. We need to change our system back home.
However, this does not justify the excessive discrimination tht's happening. Salary is just one aspect, but there are other issues such as being bonded to one employer all along. I knw, H1 can be transferred, but if you want to apply for Green Card, you might as well stick to your employer.
You might argue that since we are getting a Permanent Residency for USA, we should be ready to accept the bonded labor thing (like you argue in case of lower salary with better education in USA). However, this just leads to more n more discrimination. The employers in USA have realized that the best thing for them is to have foreigners on H1. Once you get GC, you are free to move around and market yourself. As long as you are on H1, they can take full advantage of you, and many employers are already doing that.

Manoj
 
@Energydude: I am not saying education in India is the best (probably far from it). I am not from IIT, nor am I from RECs. There was period of time in my college, where the comp-sci HOD did not allow us enough time on the computers thinking we will damage the new computers if we use them excessively !!. I am sure there were/are worse colleges where a computer department may not have a good bunch of computers (at least 8-10 years back this was the case). But then this topic is not about the quality of education in Indian colleges, it is about discrimination.

You said that it is ok to pay less because we are from "developing countries", well, at least you did not use 3rd world country. And that is what I call racist views. Just because we did not come from a college that does not measure up to the colleges here, does not mean we are lacking abilities and/or knowledge. As I said before if we are working a particular job which requires a particular level of skill, and if we are doing a job just as well as anyone else - we should be paid at the same level.


@@manjotjain:: No one should argue that getting a GC should make us accept the bonded labor thing, in business as in life we make choices. Most of us stick with lower pay because we want to get our GCs (thinking about the "brighter future"). Once we have that, we start to flex our muscles and get what we want. No one if forcing us to continue working in a low wage situation. Everyone has a choice - move out for a better paying job at the cost of GC (you can't have the best of everything, well maybe if you are lucky) -- It sucks, but that is life.
 
Guys, I personally think H1 should belong to the employee and not to the employer. If there is any discrimination, that will end it.

Situation with programming jobs is quite subtle IMO. There are two types of jobs:

(a) "Blue Collar IT": Commoditised jobs lacking a career path to management. Expensive 4-yr American degrees are overkill for this and six month diploma is sufficient.

(b) "White Collar IT": True software engineering jobs which are the first step in the IT corporate ladder. Here soft skills, salesmanship, leadership quality and ability to develop relationships in an American environment are important for future development.

In group (b) generally an Indian or Chinese (or Brazilian for that matter) is less qualified, even if his/her resume looks identical to an American graduate. This is because education in developing countries doesn't encourage soft skill development, there is a natural language or accent barrier and finally the simple fact of being a foreigner.

All this implies a social learning curve...which means present value is lower. That's all I'm trying to say...
 
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That is certainly not correct.

All the best American technology companies sponsor H1s such as General Electric, Chevron, Exxon, Schlumberger, Microsoft, Sun, Apple, Accenture and any wall street giant you care to name such as Goldman Sachs, Citigroup or whatever else.

Not only that, most of these have recruiting operations in India at various levels, ranging from IITians to grunt programmers.

Some are local operations, while others are brought directly to the US. Even the local people are deputed to the US every now and then on L-1 visa.

[I do agree that body shoppers are using quite a few H1s, btw]

unitednations said:
Not to burst your guys bubble, but

Typical American companies don't sponsor h-1b, and they especially don't go to India to find you.

Majority come through bodyshoppers. If it wasn't for them, the h-1b quota would not even come close to being used.

Employers who are non body shoppers who sponsor h-1b generally do so because they are small and can't find someone in their budget who will work for them. In USA, the smaller company it is, the tougher it is to attract candidates. You actually have to overpay to get the right talent. Even then they still won't come. It is then left to h-1b.

If you feel you are being underpaid then it is a free market economy and you should then try to compete with the American's for their jobs.
 
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