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HaveMercy

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I140 revoked Gurus Please Help

I just now spoke to a rep in VSC. Whatever i had feared has come true.

On Nov 4, 2004.. there was a lud change on both I140 and I485

So i asked her why there was a LUD change on I140 which was approved on Mar 8, 2004.

She said we received a revoking letter for I140. So it is now in clerical section so that we can send u a letter. She said it could take 30-60 days before we receive letter because of backlog we have.

My old employer did send a revoking letter for my I140.. But i changed the employer only after 280 days and with I140 approved

Also i did send AC21 letters as soon as i changed the company but she said she has no record of it.

Now my question is will i get DENIAL for both I140/I485 or NOID or RFE

Please give me ur valuable suggestion

Thank u all in advance
 
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HaveMercy said:
I just now spoke to a rep in VSC. Whatever i had feared has come true.

On Nov 4, 2004.. there was a lud change on both I140 and I485

So i asked her why there was a LUD change on I140 which was approved on Mar 2, 2004.

She said we received a revoking letter for I140. So it is now in clerical section so that we can send u a letter. She said it could take 30-60 days before we receive letter because of backlog we have.

My old employer did send a revoking letter for my I140.. But i changed the employer only after 280 days and with I140 approved

Also i did send AC21 letters as soon as i changed the company but she said she has no record of it.

Now my question is will i get DENIAL for both I140/I485 or NOID or RFE

Please give me ur valuable suggestion

Thank u all in advance

Probably NOID. But keep your papers ready for appeal on 485 too. Most of the papers will be same.

You need to get all AC-21 paperwork done again and keep an eye on your mail - NOID has only 30 days to reply.
 
HaveMercy said:
I just now spoke to a rep in VSC. Whatever i had feared has come true.

On Nov 4, 2004.. there was a lud change on both I140 and I485

So i asked her why there was a LUD change on I140 which was approved on Mar 8, 2004.

She said we received a revoking letter for I140. So it is now in clerical section so that we can send u a letter. She said it could take 30-60 days before we receive letter because of backlog we have.

My old employer did send a revoking letter for my I140.. But i changed the employer only after 280 days and with I140 approved

Also i did send AC21 letters as soon as i changed the company but she said she has no record of it.

Now my question is will i get DENIAL for both I140/I485 or NOID or RFE

Please give me ur valuable suggestion

Thank u all in advance
Did your on-line messaged changed?
Only Nov 4th was the last LUD?
Nov4th was last LUD, then 60 days of period is over right?
Do you have any proof that, you sent ac-21 paper work to USCIS on so and so date?
 
Today article on murthy about this issue.

4. Risk of GC Rescission for Failure to Notify Change of Job / Employer!

A question frequently asked of The Law Office of Sheela Murthy, P.C., is whether a person with a pending I-485, Application for Adjustment of Status, should notify the USCIS if s/he wishes to change jobs or employers under the American Competitiveness in the Twenty First Century Act (AC21)'s portability provisions. The answer and practice at our Office, practically since the October 2000 enactment of AC21, has been that it is safest to notify the USCIS of the job change. Regardless of the fact that the AC21 law does not specifically require this, our belief has been solidified over time that it is the safest course in most cases. For more information on AC21 and additional reasons to file a notification, see our August 12, 2003 MurthyBulletin article, BCIS Memo on I-485 Portability After I-140 Revocation, available on MurthyDotCom.

The wisdom of this practice was confirmed again recently in a Notice of Intent to Rescind (NOIR) on an approved permanent residence (I-485) case. The NOIR was based upon failure to notify the USCIS of an AC21-qualifying position. Rescission is an action on the part of the USCIS to take back an approved green card. It can be based upon mistake, fraud, or similar matters. This action is rarely taken since it has serious adverse legal consequences and the USCIS is required to follow certain due process procedures. The few cases we have heard about over the years have involved egregious fraud. We hope and trust that this NOIR is an isolated incident and not a trend of any kind, especially since the USCIS failed to provide personal service, notice by certified mail, or to follow any of the other procedural due process requirements for a rescission. To our knowledge, there have not been any new USCIS or DHS memos on this topic or other announcements that warrant an increase of this step for failure to notify the USCIS of a change in employers or jobs under AC21's portability provisions. Since this case involves AC21 and notification, however, we bring it to the attention of MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers as yet one more reason to notify the USCIS with due diligence when changing jobs under AC21.

The particular case has been issued a NOIR on the basis that the employer revoked the I-140 petition and there was no information on record indicating a qualifying position under AC21. In fact, in this case, the documentation pertaining to the new, qualifying position and portability eligibility under AC21 had been timely filed with the USCIS. The NOIR was issued many months after the I-485 approval after the individual had already become a permanent resident and it is unclear what may have generated this secondary review. It is not clear why this AC21 filing was either overlooked or not in the file at the time of the issuance of the NOIR several months later. The fact that the AC21 notification was filed, however, provides a basis to respond to and refute the NOIR, along with a number of legal and procedural issues. Therefore, the AC21 notification is vital to the ultimate success in this case. Moreover, notification and proof of AC21 eligibility may be vital to avoid NOIRs in future cases.

Our purpose in relaying the circumstances of this case is not to spread panic but to advise MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers of the potential risk in failing to notify the USCIS of the new employment as expected by the USCIS under AC21. We again emphasize that this appears to be an isolated instance at this point. This report is provided for those persons who may be considering use of AC21, who are debating the issue of whether or not to inform the USCIS of the job change. In this era, when in doubt, it is best to follow the most cautious path of notifying the USCIS of any change in job or employer to be eligible to obtain the approval of permanent resident status and to maintain that status.
 
Havemercy,

In fact, in this case, the documentation pertaining to the new, qualifying position and portability eligibility under AC21 had been timely filed with the USCIS.

Therefore, the AC21 notification is vital to the ultimate success in this case. Moreover, notification and proof of AC21 eligibility may be vital to avoid NOIRs in future cases.



How come she say, she dont have record when you had allready submitted the AC21.

Do you have proof of Ac21 submission.

I dont think it is going to be a problem, but just another type of USCIS pain in ass...
 
Thank u for this valuable information

I have sent my AC21 papers right after getting three pay checks from my new employer

Here is the lis of what i sent
1. Proof of new employment letter with same title and skills with same salary as in LC (ie i am getting paid same as in lc)
2. Paystubs (3)
3. Letter explaining why i am eligible for Portabiliy AC21

I have all the proof with me including the receipt for register mail. I have made all the copies of what i sent.

My only concern now is why there has been no letter or change in status message or approval
 
kamvp said:
Did your on-line messaged changed?
Only Nov 4th was the last LUD?
Nov4th was last LUD, then 60 days of period is over right?
Do you have any proof that, you sent ac-21 paper work to USCIS on so and so date?
Hi Kavmp

Yes my lud change was in Nov 4, 2004 for both I140 and I485..But the status message still says I140 approved blah..blah And my I485 fp received and processing resumed blah blah..

I did talk to my lawyer he is saying nothing to worry since i perfectly qualify for AC21 and he is saying in the worst case i may get a NOID or rfe and so far either me nor the lawyer received any letter

Also the lady to whom i spoke to in USCIS did not say it was already mailed.. She said both I140 and I485 are in clerical section and it would take another 30-60 days to send because of backlog it seems

The funny thing is they have backlog even for sending letters....
 
HaveMercy said:
Hi Kavmp

Yes my lud change was in Nov 4, 2004 for both I140 and I485..But the status message still says I140 approved blah..blah And my I485 fp received and processing resumed blah blah..

I did talk to my lawyer he is saying nothing to worry since i perfectly qualify for AC21 and he is saying in the worst case i may get a NOID or rfe and so far either me nor the lawyer received any letter

Also the lady to whom i spoke to in USCIS did not say it was already mailed.. She said both I140 and I485 are in clerical section and it would take another 30-60 days to send because of backlog it seems

The funny thing is they have backlog even for sending letters....
I am similar situation, when i called to findout, they told that my I-485 suppose to be denial. then again in 10 minutes, while talking with same guy, he said its still on hold waiting for final decision. he told that he telling me to prepare for MTR, since I get only 30 days of time, after notice was issued. Notice was not issued yet. what I couldnt understand is what is meaning of 'suppose to be denial'. Is it really denied and waiting for mailing section? or just He thought it may deny the case, due the situation and he was telling his opinion. I was really confused. i called on Jan 10th. so far no news me or my attorney.
 
kamvp said:
I am similar situation, when i called to findout, they told that my I-485 suppose to be denial. then again in 10 minutes, while talking with same guy, he said its still on hold waiting for final decision. he told that he telling me to prepare for MTR, since I get only 30 days of time, after notice was issued. Notice was not issued yet. what I couldnt understand is what is meaning of 'suppose to be denial'. Is it really denied and waiting for mailing section? or just He thought it may deny the case, due the situation and he was telling his opinion. I was really confused. i called on Jan 10th. so far no news me or my attorney.
kamvp, if a 485 is denied by junior officer then it is supposed to be review by a senior officer ..senior officer may revert the decision ..i know a case posted on this forum where a RFE was issued, applicant never received the RFE ..and case approved !! ( applicant came to knew later that RFE was withdrawn )

it might happen that you get approval ..best of luck
 
MD_Rockville said:
kamvp, if a 485 is denied by junior officer then it is supposed to be review by a senior officer ..senior officer may revert the decision ..i know a case posted on this forum where a RFE was issued, applicant never received the RFE ..and case approved !! ( applicant came to knew later that RFE was withdrawn )

it might happen that you get approval ..best of luck
MD_Rockville,

Thanks for goodwords, its giving me some relief.

You know bilibalaboob2 id guy sent me the below Personal message. Now I was feeling that some poeple also happy that others are suffering..

bilibalaboob is back.....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

how's ur stupid LUD theory....
how many LUDs you've collected???

I've told u earlier, stop giving those craps to other folks, u just dont get it.

haha... it seems u will never get approved now with 485 denial.. go home......
BTW, mine was approved a month ago now i am back in Mumbai for my vacation... hahaha...
 
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Or is it possible this way

Is it possible these reps in VSC are taking us for a ride for calling them. So far they have told like this for three to four people but none of them got any letter
 
HaveMercy said:
Is it possible these reps in VSC are taking us for a ride for calling them. So far they have told like this for three to four people but none of them got any letter
to me if 140 dates has changed then i would not suscpect rep...140 should not change at all after approval ( unless you explicitly update the address on that even after approval )..some exception possible
 
MD_Rockville said:
to me if 140 dates has changed then i would not suscpect rep...140 should not change at all after approval ( unless you explicitly update the address on that even after approval )..some exception possible

My I-140 was approved on 09/28/0,the I-140 LUDs were changed on 10/8, 10/10, 10/13 and 10/14 on I-140 and I-485. Then we got RFE on I-485.
 
HaveMercy said:
I have sent my AC21 papers right after getting three pay checks from my new employer

Here is the lis of what i sent
1. Proof of new employment letter with same title and skills with same salary as in LC (ie i am getting paid same as in lc)
2. Paystubs (3)
3. Letter explaining why i am eligible for Portabiliy AC21

I have all the proof with me including the receipt for register mail. I have made all the copies of what i sent.

My only concern now is why there has been no letter or change in status message or approval
Don't worry. Your lawyer's assessment is right. Many times the online status is not updated. Besides you have all documentation ready - so half the work is already done. Keep updated on the progress.
 
kamvp,

If the guy says perhaps you will recv denial, belv me most likely you won't. Even if you get one - trust me - it will clear up easily. Cases of denial on 485 are clear-cut and 90% do not get approval after going for MTR. These cases can be very easily spotted. If your case is of acquisition - it will be easy to clear. A case of merger could have been a problem. You have the link to Murthy website already.

http://www.murthy.com/news/UDinsgui.html

For bilibalaboob2- just ignore him/her - I have recd much worse pms and emails in the past. Some people are born like that - it is their birth defect. ;)
 
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Jharkhandi said:
kamvp,

If the guy says perhaps you will recv denial, belv me most likely you won't. Even if you get one - trust me - it will clear up easily. Cases of denial on 485 are clear-cut and 90% do not get approval after going for MTR. These cases can be very easily spotted. If your case is of acquisition - it will be easy to clear. A case of merger could have been a problem. You have the link to Murthy website already.

http://www.murthy.com/news/UDinsgui.html

For bilibalaboob2- just ignore him/her - I have recd much worse pms and emails in the past. Some people are born like that - it is their birth defect. ;)
Jharkhandi,

Thanks :)
 
dbwr said:
Today article on murthy about this issue.

4. Risk of GC Rescission for Failure to Notify Change of Job / Employer!

A question frequently asked of The Law Office of Sheela Murthy, P.C., is whether a person with a pending I-485, Application for Adjustment of Status, should notify the USCIS if s/he wishes to change jobs or employers under the American Competitiveness in the Twenty First Century Act (AC21)'s portability provisions. The answer and practice at our Office, practically since the October 2000 enactment of AC21, has been that it is safest to notify the USCIS of the job change. Regardless of the fact that the AC21 law does not specifically require this, our belief has been solidified over time that it is the safest course in most cases. For more information on AC21 and additional reasons to file a notification, see our August 12, 2003 MurthyBulletin article, BCIS Memo on I-485 Portability After I-140 Revocation, available on MurthyDotCom.

The wisdom of this practice was confirmed again recently in a Notice of Intent to Rescind (NOIR) on an approved permanent residence (I-485) case. The NOIR was based upon failure to notify the USCIS of an AC21-qualifying position. Rescission is an action on the part of the USCIS to take back an approved green card. It can be based upon mistake, fraud, or similar matters. This action is rarely taken since it has serious adverse legal consequences and the USCIS is required to follow certain due process procedures. The few cases we have heard about over the years have involved egregious fraud. We hope and trust that this NOIR is an isolated incident and not a trend of any kind, especially since the USCIS failed to provide personal service, notice by certified mail, or to follow any of the other procedural due process requirements for a rescission. To our knowledge, there have not been any new USCIS or DHS memos on this topic or other announcements that warrant an increase of this step for failure to notify the USCIS of a change in employers or jobs under AC21's portability provisions. Since this case involves AC21 and notification, however, we bring it to the attention of MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers as yet one more reason to notify the USCIS with due diligence when changing jobs under AC21.

The particular case has been issued a NOIR on the basis that the employer revoked the I-140 petition and there was no information on record indicating a qualifying position under AC21. In fact, in this case, the documentation pertaining to the new, qualifying position and portability eligibility under AC21 had been timely filed with the USCIS. The NOIR was issued many months after the I-485 approval after the individual had already become a permanent resident and it is unclear what may have generated this secondary review. It is not clear why this AC21 filing was either overlooked or not in the file at the time of the issuance of the NOIR several months later. The fact that the AC21 notification was filed, however, provides a basis to respond to and refute the NOIR, along with a number of legal and procedural issues. Therefore, the AC21 notification is vital to the ultimate success in this case. Moreover, notification and proof of AC21 eligibility may be vital to avoid NOIRs in future cases.

Our purpose in relaying the circumstances of this case is not to spread panic but to advise MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers of the potential risk in failing to notify the USCIS of the new employment as expected by the USCIS under AC21. We again emphasize that this appears to be an isolated instance at this point. This report is provided for those persons who may be considering use of AC21, who are debating the issue of whether or not to inform the USCIS of the job change. In this era, when in doubt, it is best to follow the most cautious path of notifying the USCIS of any change in job or employer to be eligible to obtain the approval of permanent resident status and to maintain that status.

Hi DBWR

I did send my AC21 papers right after getting 3 paystubs.. I told the rep about it? I think she did not understand what AC21 is. she asked me do you have a receipt or a number for it.. I said we dont get any number for it... then she said i cannot find it...

So my question is do we get anything in proof that says AC21 had been filed.. To my knowledge i have not heard about it..
 
Kamvp,

as I maintain you will get it cleared soon. As the fate of all good people you just have to go thru a trying time but you will get it soon.

Rgds,

Yeppo
 
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