Giving up U.S citizenship, getting Indian citizenship back

ramaneek

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Hello,

I am in the middle of my N-400 application in CA. The fingerprinting was done last month and I am waiting for the interview letter.

However I am having second thoughts about giving up my Indian citizenship and getting American citizenship. Mainly because my parents are a bit upset about my decision. I didn't realize how much it would affect them and what my decision meant to them.

Ovviously I need more time to think about this before appearing for my U.S citizenship interview - which might happen in the next month or two. I would appreciate any feedback from others on this forum.

1. Can I just not show up for my interview when I get the letter? I know that USCIS will consider this as an abandonment of my naturalization application. What will this do to my application if I re-apply a few years from now?

2. If I go ahead with the interview and get my U.S citizenship, can I give it up at any point later on? And, how can I become an Indian citizen again? I mean, if I give up my U.S citizenship, then I will have no passport, and I will not be able to travel. I cringe at the idea of having to deal with the paperwork and bureaucracy involved in this option !!

But I seriously need some advice. I have been reading the forums here for quite some time, but haven't seen anything like my dilemma.

Thank you,

RK.
 
ramaneek said:
Hello,

I am in the middle of my N-400 application in CA. The fingerprinting was done last month and I am waiting for the interview letter.

However I am having second thoughts about giving up my Indian citizenship and getting American citizenship. Mainly because my parents are a bit upset about my decision. I didn't realize how much it would affect them and what my decision meant to them.

Ovviously I need more time to think about this before appearing for my U.S citizenship interview - which might happen in the next month or two. I would appreciate any feedback from others on this forum.

1. Can I just not show up for my interview when I get the letter? I know that USCIS will consider this as an abandonment of my naturalization application. What will this do to my application if I re-apply a few years from now?

2. If I go ahead with the interview and get my U.S citizenship, can I give it up at any point later on? And, how can I become an Indian citizen again? I mean, if I give up my U.S citizenship, then I will have no passport, and I will not be able to travel. I cringe at the idea of having to deal with the paperwork and bureaucracy involved in this option !!

But I seriously need some advice. I have been reading the forums here for quite some time, but haven't seen anything like my dilemma.

Thank you,

RK.


why dont you just withdraw your application?
 
bobby350z said:
Where do your parents stay? And they ok with you staying in US but not with getting US citizenship?

Well, my parents are in India. And they feel that me giving up my Indian citizenship means I am never coming back! To them, it feels like betrayal on some level and a denial of who I am.

I first came as a student, and then got my H1, then my G.C; at each stage, they reluctantly accepted my decision to continue staying here. In their mind, they always felt I would go back, and to some degree I felt the same way too.

I too have thought about going back but I am not ready yet. And after living here for all these years, I thought applying for the citizenship would be the right thing. I mainly wanted it so I could vote; also I can travel more freely and stay outside the country if needed as long as I need to; something that is a little harder when you have an Indian passport and a G.C.

For e.g my work requires me to travel to Europe, and each time, a lot of time and paperwork is needed to get the visa of that country because I have an Indian passport. My company folks said it would be easier if I had a U.S passport. Also, I can stay outside the country longer than 6 months if I had to without any problems if I was a citizen versus a G.C holder.

I feel obligated to respect and consider my parents wishes and so I am in a dilemma. I am sure most Indians can relate to this feeling.

- RK
 
ocworker said:
why dont you just withdraw your application?

Hello,

If I withdraw my application, will there be an issue if I re-apply a few years from now? I don't know that I will. But I imagine it would get flagged in the computer database.

I have already completed the fingerprint stage.

I have been agonizing over this for the past few days, and I am unable to sleep.

- RK
 
You have all the good reasons to apply for US Citizenship. Citizenship can be an emotional matter for a lot of people. In your case, US Citizenship will provide a lot of conveniences, and it is ok to still have a special place for India in your heart. Most of us still do after becoming the US citizenhip. You have a country of birth and an adopted country. You will have to come to terms with the fact who you are and what you plan to do. Have a frank talk with your parents and explain the reasons. I can understand that Indian parents can be stubborn in these situations.

If it helps, get a PIO card, and when they start Overseas Indian citizenship, get that if it's useful and helps. Actually, getting a US citizenship and PIO/OIC will help you in staying in India for a longer period of time, if needed for any reasons with the worries of jepardizing your status in the US.

You can withdraw your application now, and it will not affect your case in the future. You will NOT have to elaborate on your reasons to withdraw your application. You can just state due to "personal reasons or situations" I would like to withdraw my application.

At the end, the decision is yours to make. Good luck!
 
In this globalized economy and particularly when US-India have friendly relations, it makes a convincing case to go for Dual citizenship. Hopefully GoI will soon offer a real OIC.

To the elder generation particularly your parents, it may seem like first they lost their son to US and now India is loosing with you taking up US citizenship. Talk to them and see what their concerns are. Try to convince them particularly when you are convinced about US citizenship that taking up USC does not require you to live here permanently.

Not sure whether you are from a business or a political family in India, if that is so, they have a valid concern.
 
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Thank you.

sg_orl said:
You have all the good reasons to apply for US Citizenship. Citizenship can be an emotional matter for a lot of people. In your case, US Citizenship will provide a lot of conveniences, and it is ok to still have a special place for India in your heart. Most of us still do after becoming the US citizenhip. You have a country of birth and an adopted country. You will have to come to terms with the fact who you are and what you plan to do. Have a frank talk with your parents and explain the reasons. I can understand that Indian parents can be stubborn in these situations.

If it helps, get a PIO card, and when they start Overseas Indian citizenship, get that if it's useful and helps. Actually, getting a US citizenship and PIO/OIC will help you in staying in India for a longer period of time, if needed for any reasons with the worries of jepardizing your status in the US.

You can withdraw your application now, and it will not affect your case in the future. You will NOT have to elaborate on your reasons to withdraw your application. You can just state due to "personal reasons or situations" I would like to withdraw my application.

At the end, the decision is yours to make. Good luck!


Thanks for the good advice. I feel better.

I also combed the internet last night for information about PIO cards etc. I have more information now to make the decision, and I am leaning towards withdrawing my application for now. I do wish India would implement true dual citizenship as Australia, Israel and Philippines have. With the PIO card, I am still technically a foreigner in India and have to register with some office of foreign nationals if I stay more than 6 months in India.

I just need some more time to analyze my options I guess. I am going to go home later this month, and will speak with my parents in person. Perhaps I can get them to see my point of view.

- RK
 
gaurav2005 said:
In this globalized economy and particularly when US-India have friendly relations, it makes a convincing case to go for Dual citizenship. Hopefully GoI will soon offer a real OIC.

To the elder generation particularly your parents, it may seem like first they lost their son to US and now India is loosing with you taking up US citizenship. Talk to them and see what their concerns are. Try to convince them particularly when you are convinced about US citizenship that taking up USC does not require you to live here permanently.

Not sure whether you are from a business or a political family in India, if that is so, they have a valid concern.


No, I am not from a business or a political family - just a simple lower middle class family. I think the changes in my life have happened rapidly in the last 10 years and my parents are having a difficult time accepting them. When someone like me - or some of you in the U.S - is in the midst of things, we don't see the bigger picture or outside the box. And from 10,000 miles away, our parents are just watching and waiting.

I am going to go home later this month, and will speak with them in person. Discussing serious matters over the phone and emails is always harder.

Thank you.

- RK
 
You may want to wait on withdrawing the application until after you had the chance to talk to your parents in person, and then finally decide what to do.
 
“Can I just not show up for my interview when I get the letter?”

You can do so. This will put the pause on your citizenship application as well because it will be considered ‘abandoned’ then if you won’t show up at the interview. However, you may also choose to go to your interview and tell the officer about withdrawing it. It’s not a problem. A lot of people change their mind at very last moment.


“What will this do to my application if I re-apply a few years from now?” + “If I withdraw my application, will there be an issue if I re-apply a few years from now?”

Abandonment or denial of a citizenship application won’t cause any problem to an applicant when s/he would file next citizenship application in the future. INS doesn’t keep the record of previously filed citizenship application as they throw it in the garbage after a year later, nor previously filed citizenship application influences a decision on a new application in any fashion even if INS would know about the previously filed application. So obviously, the question of having red flag in their computer system about it is completely out of question. Matter of fact, they don’t even ask whether or not applicant has previously filed for a citizenship application, nor this question is asked anywhere on a citizenship application for them to know.


“If I go ahead with the interview and get my U.S citizenship, can I give it up at any point later on?”

Yes. You can give it up anytime you want. But giving the US citizenship means-you cannot ask for US permanent residency as well unless you file for US permanent residency from the beginning.


“if I give up my U.S citizenship, then I will have no passport, and I will not be able to travel”

Yes. You won’t have a document to travel because you will be stateless until you would become a national of a country again.


“how can I become an Indian citizen again?”

Obtaining an Indian citizenship is not easy. You have to live 9 yrs in India before filing for naturalization there. I’m not sure whether this rule of living 9 yrs in India applies to former Indians, but I believe so. You would need to file naturalization application with Ministry of Home Affairs in Lok Nayak Bhavan in New Delhi. My uncle is a Deputy Secy. in Indian Citizenship Section with MHA. This office located on first floor and it is in Khan Market, close to Golf Link. If time will come, I would be able to help someone in this regard as I know many decision makers in that section.


“In their mind, they always felt I would go back, and to some degree I felt the same way too” + “I feel obligated to respect and consider my parents wishes”

If you are double-mined on obtaining US citizenship, AND feel that you would go back forever to your country then I guess you should withdraw your pending application for US citizenship. Further, it is more reasonable to back out of your decision of becoming a US citizen if you feel obligated to respect your parents’ wishes on this at this time.


“And after living here for all these years, I thought applying for the citizenship would be the right thing”

Just because you have been living here for so many years, doesn’t mean you should obtain US citizenship. Nor it is a matter of doing right thing. Rather the decision of becoming a US citizen depends on each person’s individual circumstances, such as some people like to sponsor their loved ones being a US citizen, while others want to immune themselves from deportation especially when immigration laws are kept getting tougher and tougher. I know so many people who are living here for more than 40 yrs, but they don’t want to become a US citizen. They are happy to be a permanent resident. So, the length of time living in this country has nothing to do with the decision of applying for US citizenship.


“I mainly wanted it so I could vote”

I know that you have mentioned other reasons as well to be a US citizen, but you have said that the MAIN reason for you to be a US citizen is-so that you could vote. Vote? Tell me you are kidding. You may say here about voting, but I’ve personally never heard an immigrant having becoming a US citizen mainly for voting right. You really made me laugh. Mostly immigrants don’t even care about voting in their home country, and you want me to believe that you want to be a US citizen so that you could vote in American election? When is the last time you have voted in your home country and how many times did you vote in your home country despite of living there whole your life (obviously after the voting age)? Anyway, it is your business, but I thought I should tell you that I’ve never heard any immigrant caring about voting in context of obtaining US citizenship.


However, if I were you, I would go for US citizenship for various reasons. First, being a US citizen, you would immune yourself from possible deportation in the future especially when immigration laws are getting tougher and tougher every day in respect of deporting an alien. I mean-you can never guarantee that you won’t get involved in a traffic accident or an argument with someone which might considered as a 3rd degree assault and a crime of domestic violence, which will make you deportable under immigration laws. Unless you don’t want to care about living here, you would try to immune yourself from any possible deportation. So, as a naturalized US Citizen, criminal infractions will not automatically result in deportation, as they may with a permanent resident

Second, since you travel a lot because of your job then it is more reasonable to have US citizenship. This way, not only you will save time and energy in dealing with those foreign embassies for a visa, but you would save a lot of money as well. Being a US citizen, you don’t need visa to most countries in the world, which means saving of tons of money and time/efforts in obtaining visa. Further, there is no guarantee foreign embassies will surely issue you a visa despite of having traveled to their countries many times in the past because they can still refuse a visa to you at anytime. But traveling on US passport means-no need to deal with those embassies anymore.

Third, the Internal Revenue Service in matters regarding inheritance and estate taxes treats US Citizens differently than permanent residents.

Fourth, retaining citizenship in your home country may involve continuing responsibilities regarding taxation or military service.

Fifth, worldwide protection to you from US government.

Sixth, of coursing voting right (your main reason to be a US citizen) :p :rolleyes: :cool: :) :eek: :D .

Seventh, there are many more advantages of being a US citizens, few of them are-be a juror in the criminal process, apply for employment in areas reserved for Citizens, and obtain a US passport.

In addition, don’t forget that you can easily obtain PIO thru Indian govt. after being a US citizen, and Indian govt. is going to allow dual citizenship very soon as it is a main talk right now in Indian Congress (Sansad-Parliament). I witnessed this as I'm in India right now. This way, you could have a dual citizenship in the future.

However, I just don’t understand that on one hand your parents allowed you to live here and make money while staying away from them, but on the other hand they are reluctant for you to get US citizenship. I’m totally lost here. Isn’t you are living away from them anyway for a long time? Besides, obtaining a US citizenship doesn’t mean that you will have to live here for your whole life, rather you could choose to live in India as long as you want unlike being a permanent resident.

Further, I don’t see Indian parents complaining when their sons go out with American women or change their name-from ‘Muhammad’ to Michael or Mike, or from ‘Shamshooding’ to Sam. Nor they mind when their daughters live without wearing Hijab in US, or their children live by American styles. Anyway, obtaining a US citizenship is a matter of personal choice. You need to evaluate your own personal and family circumstances before deciding what is best for you.

Good Luck.
 
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JohnnyCash said:
Anyway, obtaining a US citizenship is a matter of personal choice. You need to evaluate your own personal and family circumstances before deciding what is best for you.

I think it is very true of what you said. the person has to do what the best for himself, (or for his family).

I might not have strong bonding with my family. In fact, my grandmother kept asking me when I would become a citizenship in US. :confused:

My parents do not really care as long as I am happy with what I am doing.

In fact, I wanted to be a US Citizen so bad so I could get married with my gf, who lives in oversea, and get her in US.

And, of course, the vote is one of the items for myself being an US Citizen, however, it is on the bottom of my list. :D
 
JohnnyCash said:
Abandonment or denial of a citizenship application won’t cause any problem to an applicant when s/he would file next citizenship application in the future. INS doesn’t keep the record of previously filed citizenship application as they throw it in the garbage after a year later, nor previously filed citizenship application influences a decision on a new application in any fashion even if INS would know about the previously filed application. So obviously, the question of having red flag in their computer system about it is completely out of question. Matter of fact, they don’t even ask whether or not applicant has previously filed for a citizenship application, nor this question is asked anywhere on a citizenship application for them to know.
I also have double mind with going ahead with the U.S. citizenship. This is mainly because of some policy I would like to take advantage of by maintaining Indian citizenship (in India). I am due to get finger print next week, which I am still going to attend.
It is comforting to hear that withdrawal of application will not impact applying for citizenship in the future. Does INS allow postponing the oath, and give a person some more time before they withdraw the application (assuming I also go to the interview)? I am still trying to figure out some laws in India based on which I will decide pretty soon on my citizenship (US or India), but I am afraid it might take me a while to get all details and I might actually have to attend my interview before I figure it all out!

Thanks!
 
sponsoring sister and her kids

i am on the verge of getting my green card.after green card how long does it take to get citizenship and after getting citizenship can i file gc for my sister and her kids.there is one more thing her kid will be 12 years old when i get my citizenship and i am from retrogressed countries .but my spouse is not so will the kid get the gc before he is 21.
 
thanks for the info

JoeF said:
Depending on the route to the GC it takes 3 years (marriage to US citizen) or 5 years before becoming eligible for citizenship. It takes another 6 months to 1 year to get it.
It will take 12+ years for her to get the GC, because there is a quota, and a huge backlog.

IS THERE ANY WAY THE PROCESS OF THE KID GETTING GREEN CARD CAN BE FASTER SAY BY HIM COMING HERE ON B2 VISA AND THEN APPLYING FOR ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS.WILL IT BE DIFFICULT TO SPONSOR A KID FOR GC IF HE CROSSES 21 YEARS .ANY INPUTS? AND MY GC IS THRU EMPLOYMENT WHAT IS THE NORMAL TIME TO GET CITIZENSHIP ?
 
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