For all Ye H1B haters

Originally posted by green_gator
"In my own experience, a IT director in one of the Fortune 1000 companies was amazed to see that our programmers were supporting them at 3 AM their time"

I guess he'd heard about time zone and it is high noon in India while it is 3am EST.

How come his job didn't get outsourced? :D

"while they had hard time keeping employees working from 9 AM to 4.30 PM."

Himself included?! But didn't you read the article, there will be a labor shortage and pretty soon employee will have the upper hand, which means he will have an even harder time to keep them from working from 10am to 3pm.
:D

I realized my typo after I hit 'Enter'. What I meant was the programmer's time 3 AM and not the director's.

Yeah.. yeah.. labor shortage.. and labor surplus.. I heard it all.. I guess smart people will make money anyway... :D :D :D
 
The Americans and the Japanese decided to engage in a competitive boat race.

Both teams practiced hard and long to reach their peak performance. On the big day they felt ready. The Japanese won by a mile.
Afterward, the American team was discouraged by the loss. Corporate management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found, so a consulting firm was hired to investigate the problem and recommended corrective action.

The consultant's finding: The Japanese team had eight people rowing and one person steering; the American team had one person rowing and eight people steering. After a year of study and millions spent analyzing the problem, the consultant firm concluded that too many people were steering and not enough were rowing on the American team.

So as race day neared again the following year, the American team's management structure was completely reorganized. The new structure: four steering managers, three area steering managers and a new performance review system for the person rowing the boat to provide work incentive. The next year, the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American corporation laid off the rower for poor performance and gave the managers a bonus for discovering the problem....
 
With all due respect zztop, that is just a joke and the reality is far from it. My stinct with American management is that they are very good in executing a project. They achieve the project before the deadline and people working the normal hours, because they have a very good plan.
 
Originally posted by zztop
The Americans and the Japanese decided to engage in a competitive boat race.

Both teams practiced hard and long to reach their peak performance. On the big day they felt ready. The Japanese won by a mile.
Afterward, the American team was discouraged by the loss. Corporate management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found, so a consulting firm was hired to investigate the problem and recommended corrective action.

The consultant's finding: The Japanese team had eight people rowing and one person steering; the American team had one person rowing and eight people steering. After a year of study and millions spent analyzing the problem, the consultant firm concluded that too many people were steering and not enough were rowing on the American team.

So as race day neared again the following year, the American team's management structure was completely reorganized. The new structure: four steering managers, three area steering managers and a new performance review system for the person rowing the boat to provide work incentive. The next year, the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American corporation laid off the rower for poor performance and gave the managers a bonus for discovering the problem....

That's the secret of America's economical power. They don't keep money in their bank accounts. They circulate it. They spend what ever they earn. Consumer spending accounts for 2/3rd of America's economy where as Japan is completely dependent on Export economy. American economy will be more powerful and more stable than any other economy in the world because of their internal strength. So their(american) acts might seem foolish to others, but they definitely have the last laugh.
 
Originally posted by dsatish
That's the secret of America's economical power. They don't keep money in their bank accounts. They circulate it. They spend what ever they earn. Consumer spending accounts for 2/3rd of America's economy where as Japan is completely dependent on Export economy. American economy will be more powerful and more stable than any other economy in the world because of their internal strength. So their(american) acts might seem foolish to others, but they definitely have the last laugh.

Don't ever mention that Management style mentioned by ZZTOP is the secret of America's economical power. Such management style works fine when the economy is booming. I don't think they follow the same style during recession.
 
During the boom times many big consulting companies have charged around $400/hr. When the boom is gone they have laid off upto 80% of workforce. Where has all that money gone.

Into the pockets of white elephants called management....

Surely this is a very planned project.



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Top-paid US CEOs are from firms with most worker layoffs: Survey



Press Trust Of India




Washington, August 27: The typical chief executive of a major US company earned $3.7 million last year, with the largest paychecks going to those whose firms had the most worker layoffs, under-funded pensions and tax breaks, a new report stated.

Chief executive officers at the 50 corporations that announced the largest layoffs in 2001 saw their pay rise 44 per cent in 2002—a year when overall CEO salaries rose 6 per cent, said the report by Research and Advocacy Groups Institute for Policy Studies and United for a fair economy on Tuesday. ‘‘All told, the top 50 job-cutting CEOs pulled down more than $570 million in 2002, the year after they collectively slashed over 4,65,000 jobs,’’ it said.

At the 30 companies with the greatest shortfall in their employees’ pension funds, chief executives made 59 per cent more than the average chief executives, added the report, the tenth in an annual series.

‘‘Meanwhile, many companies are protecting executives with guaranteed golden retirement packages,’’ it said. At the 25 major companies with the most subsidiaries in offshore tax havens, chief executives garnered an average of $26.5 million in pay between 2000 and 2002, compared with an average of $14.2 million for all chief executives at the 365 largest US companies surveyed annually by Business Week magazine, the report said.

Overall, average chief executive earnings rose 279 per cent between 1990 and 2002, far outstripping the Standard and Poor’s 500 stock index, which rose 166 per cent during that time, and corporate profits, which increased by 93 per cent.
 
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why worry so much?

Guys,
I guess we should not worry too much about IT outsourcing. What will happen will happen. We have no control.

But I would say that things will stablize soon (year or 2). Just try to survive till then, we will have a better life. US economy is too big for outsourcing. What is happening now is just to meet the budge crunch that lot of corporations are facing. Once the budge crunch is over, things will look better.

IT jobs need a lot of human interaction and management skills which will be a straining issue once jobs get outsourced. Who will manage projects/people from the US client side, given the time difference/communication problems/cultural difference? I guess only few Americans will do so until they find better jobs. And with time the number managers who can manager overseas IT project from the US will drop down since there won't be too many people in the US who understand IT to climb up the ladder to fill the IT manager's position since there won't be any ladders to climb up (assuming that lower-end programmer jobs are moving outside and lower-end programmer jobs are the building block of tomorrow's managers who understand IT). Then we might face a situation when non-tech people are trying to drive IT projects and hence the client can take them for a ride shooting the cost up..another burst..let me call it outsourcing burst.

So guys, in my opinion, let's do whatever we can do survive and update our tech and non-tech skills.

Thanks,
 
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