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Fingerprinted 9 years ago with a different identity

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Zabra

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Hi
I am inqurying on behalf my brother a Dv lottery winner for 2013( Principal winner)
His interview is scheduled in September next month with his japanese wife and 2 kids, Tokyo Japan
he just did medical and waiting police records from Africa

He had appleid for a US visa 9 years ago using different names due to political reasons but was not granted
a visa. His upcoming interview are with his really names.

My questions are as follows,:
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1)will his former fingerprints be detected at the embassy here in Japan even though he was fingerprinted back in Africa 9 years ago? and incase his former prints are detected, should he be honest with the Consular officer?

2)if he is successfully issued a visa , can he successfully enter to the US at the the POE (port of Entry ) because at POE, the Homeland security runs a back ground check on all visiting immigrants from their database.

3) Incase he isnt issued a visa, can this affect the his wife and 2 kids whom are Japanese citizens from ever entrying into the US as they are just mere benefaicaireis to the Dv lottery?
Japanese citizens by law do have a visa waiver policy for entrying most countriesin the world.

Hoping to read suggestions and advices on this thread.
Thanks
 
I think it could create problems for your brother if he gives his fingerprints once again with different identity. I suggest he should approach an immigration lawyer and prepare a detailed case where he would explain why he had different identity 9 years ago. I suggest he should be 100% honest with the Embassy this time, and hide nothing from them. He should tell them the truth! He should explain to them his reasons why he was forced to change his identity for political reasons!!! That way I think he will succeed in getting the DV visa.
 
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I have a question regarding your brother's case above.
Did he fill the names used nine years ago in the question 2 and 37 "other names used or aliases" on DS-0230?
 
Sushihanako said:
I have a question regarding your brother's case above.
Did he fill the names used nine years ago in the question 2 and 37 "other names used or aliases" on DS-0230?
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Hmmm... he said NO
he just filled questions 2 and 37 on DS 230 using his really names .
 
raevsky said:
He could still do it the first thing at the interview
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When in Sept is his intvw.?

He should have just filled those up at the beginning and taken his chances.
If he do it at the intvw. I'm 99% sure he will be put in AP and how it ends is anyone's guess!

I'd rather take the chance and send in new set of forms to KCC NOW asap with an explanation.


Best!
 
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NuvF said:
When in Sept is his intvw.?

He should have just filled those up at the beginning and taken his chances.
If he do it at the intvw. I'm 99% sure he will be put in AP and how it ends is anyone's guess!

I'd rather take the chance and send in new set of forms to KCC NOW asap with an explanation.


Best!
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What is AP?
 
Zabra said:
Is it a good idea to call KCC and informed them directly about this issue?

He thought of sending new forms D-230 but i guess that might take more time since his interveiw is in 3 weeks from today.
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KCC can't do anything for you. You have to be prepared at the time of the interview, and explain everything to the consular officer. Your brother will have to explain to him why he had previously applied for a US visa with different name and identity. Your brother must honestly tell everything to them, I am sure they will understand his problem. Like I said before, and you are not listening to us, go and get an immigration lawyer and discuss the matter with him, he will surely find a way out for your brother. Best of luck!!!
 
Also what no-one else is mentioning here : you say he is waiting for police records from Africa, these tend to be done on a fingerprint basis. Are you sure there is nothing "hiding" that was done under a different name but will be picked up on the records? In any case - if his fingerprints were taken by US for visa purposes they will be shared on a common database. I'm presuming that this will come up when they do biometrics at the interview already but if not there then certainly at POE so his only chance is to be completely honest.

By the way do I recall (or am I getting mixed up with the UK) that there is a question on one of the forms asking if a visa has ever been denied? If so was it answered honestly?

And yes if the interview is already scheduled then the consulate has the file and KCC is no longer involved. Everything will have to go via the consulate.
 
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SusieQQQ said:
Also what no-one else is mentioning here : you say he is waiting for police records from Africa, these tend to be done on a fingerprint basis. Are you sure there is nothing "hiding" that was done under a different name but will be picked up on the records? In any case - if his fingerprints were taken by US for visa purposes they will be shared on a common database. I'm presuming that this will come up when they do biometrics at the interview already but if not there then certainly at POE so his only chance is to be completely honest.

By the way do I recall (or am I getting mixed up with the UK) that there is a question on one of the forms asking if a visa has ever been denied? If so was it answered honestly?

And yes if the interview is already scheduled then the consulate has the file and KCC is no longer involved. Everything will have to go via the consulate.
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We've missed your logical answers...
 
Hi ;)

Just checked the ds230. The question is about being refused at a POE, however, one of the check boxes is about having sought a visa based on fraud or misrepresentation, which it is possible was the case - if we had the reason for the visa being refused it might clarify stuff (in other words did the embassy pick up on his name being wrong or was there another reason the visa was refused?)
 
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SusieQQQ said:
Hi ;)

Just checked the ds230. The question is about being refused at a POE, however, one of the check boxes is about having sought a visa based on fraud or misrepresentation, which it is possible was the case - if we had the reason for the visa being refused it might clarify stuff (in other words did the embassy pick up on his name being wrong or was there another reason the visa was refused?)
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A friend said, its better he says nothing to confront or contradict the information on his forms
that usually fingerprints taken at all embassies are not verified against other prints in the data base ,unless there is something suspicious

If that the case ,certainly his prints will be detected only at POE and he will have to battle that with the immigration
is this a possible option?
 
Zabra said:
A friend said, its better he says nothing to confront or contradict the information on his forms
that usually fingerprints taken at all embassies are not verified against other prints in the data base ,unless there is something suspicious

If that the case ,certainly his prints will be detected only at POE and he will have to battle that with the immigration
is this a possible option?
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I think it would be suicidal, how can you solve this issue at the port of entry with the immigration!!!!!!! Don't hide anything from the consular officer, if they find it out that you were lying, you could even be banded from getting US visa for the next ten years.
 
Zabra, As has been suggested, your brother needs an immigration lawyer to sort this out sooner rather than later. Stop listening to "friends" and even information here posted with the best of intentions - this needs sorting out properly. Right now your brother might not have a problem, but if he does he is looking at disqualification from the DV program, possible restrictions on travel to the USA and even possible legal action for fraud. Don't fool around with this....
 
britsimon said:
Zabra, As has been suggested, your brother needs an immigration lawyer to sort this out sooner rather than later. Stop listening to "friends" and even information here posted with the best of intentions - this needs sorting out properly. Right now your brother might not have a problem, but if he does he is looking at disqualification from the DV program, possible restrictions on travel to the USA and even possible legal action for fraud. Don't fool around with this....
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Exactly
 
Zabra said:
A friend said, its better he says nothing to confront or contradict the information on his forms
that usually fingerprints taken at all embassies are not verified against other prints in the data base ,unless there is something suspicious

If that the case ,certainly his prints will be detected only at POE and he will have to battle that with the immigration
is this a possible option?
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Does your friend work at a US embassy, dealing with immigration visas? Why exactly do you think they bother taking prints at the embassy if they are not cross-checking them? What do you think the consular officer is doing when he is looking at the screen in the minute or so between when the scan has taken place and he moves on to doing the next thing? Also how can you be absolutely certain even if your friend is right, that the CO will not find something 'suspicious'?

gabam said:
I think it would be suicidal, how can you solve this issue at the port of entry with the immigration!!!!!!! Don't hide anything from the consular officer, if they find it out that you were lying, you could even be banded from getting US visa for the next ten years.
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What Gabam says is right. If this is at all solvable it will be at the consulate. By the time the POE picks it up it will in their eyes be a fraudulent visa application and then he has no chance at all.

To be honest the fact that he seems to be leaning towards hiding it as long as he can rather than being truthful makes me think there is something more to the story. The embassies are not unused to dealing with people who have been on the wrong side of a political issue in Africa. If it is as simple as that they will understand.
 
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