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My dad was born in India in 1945 in Aligarh. His family then migrated to Pakistan. I tried to get a NABC from India and was unable to do so from the district. I tried thru yourmaninindia.com and they said certain districts in the UP don't provide it.

My question was in absense of the NABC, should affidavits from 2 relatives, matriculation certificates, and passport be enough? The 2 relatives will be the oldest living cousins since my all my dad's uncles, aunts have passed away, along with his parents.

I wanted to know if this will be sufficient.

Thanks!
 
It is always up to the discretion of the immigration official you end up with. Having said that, it sounds like you have done your homework and that will go a long way to convincing the interviewer that you did your best. The one thing that I worry about is that US consular officials from outside of Asia have little idea of how much fun it is to get anything official from Indian officials. The more you can show the better off you are. How is your dad entering the US, via consular or adjustment of status?
 
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I am about to try YourManInIndia for my mom who was born in Saharanpur. I suspect thatwill run into the same problem as if Aligarh didn't register, so won't Saharanpur.

But my question is that even when you give two letters from relatives, you have to provide a non-availability certificate. Have you tried getting that?
 
Actually that is exactly what I was trying to get, but they said its hard to get that in Aligarh.
 
The non-availability certificate is almost impossible to get. Start by looking on the website of the area where mom was born, some areas have birth records online. Unfortunately the birth records were primarily registered by the families of the children. I only have checked out the Hyderabad website and they have births that have been voluntarily registered. If you can bribe someone then you might have a shot at the unavailability letter, otherwise get the affidavits and as much additional info as possible (in your affidavits if possible). The older the documents or other info you have, the better. My father is at the scheduling stage w/o a b/c, no letter just one affidavit. If you live in India or your mom does, the USCIS figures you can get it or appear before a magistrate with two affidavits and register the birth if it has never been registered. Talk to the USCIS people and explain the situation, they can suggest what to do.
 
Question related to Date of Birth:
My parents have received package from NVC and are filling DS230-I for consular processing. My father (born in 1941) does not have the actual date of birth of his mother or her place of birth. She passed away in 1974. There is no older relative who has any information. Have you faced this situation and if so, what have you filled in #18 on DS 230-I?
 
Be like a Boy Scout and DYB, DYB, DYB

I was told by the NVC to do your best in filling out the forms. If you know that your grandmother was born in India (for example) but nothing else then you can either put in unknown or "guess" (to the best of your ability) a date of birth and place of birth as India. It's not too germane if, at the interview, your father says "I think that's what it was, but I don't remember for sure." The interviewers are, from what I've heard, quite understanding. Your father is, after all, a senior citizen. Even in the US before WW2 most people were born at home and many people didn't register their birth or "officially" record it. Just look at old headstones and you'll see circa or ? for a date of birth. When was the great pitcher Satchel Paige born? Nobody knows the answer. Not even the US government. So don't sweat it. Just be honest about it.
 
Thanks!
I had been thinking on those lines, so it is good to have confirmation on that. canuckbro, good luck with your father's application. Keep us posted.
Good Luck
 
Update:

My father is waiting for my mother's case to be processed. The NVC has stated that my mother needs a b/c, but my father's case has gone through to scheduling. I've sent another sworn affidavit since my mother's file seems to be missing the affidavit I sent back in March. The affidavit that went with my father's application was received but my mother's is missing, go figure! For all I know my mother's case affidavit is sitting in my father's file. Just remember that we're dealing with a monstrous bureaucracy, sit back, relax and take it easy. There's only a few more steps to go.
 
My father's situation is reverse. He in now in Bombay. India but was born in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Is there a way I can get a birth certificate not available letter for him. I do not know anyone in Pakistan.
 
Looks like you'll need to go the affidavit route. Contact the Pakistani Consulate in Mumbai first and see what they say. If you get no results then start gathering all the evidence that proves your father's DOB. Any documents, papers, forms, etc. will help. Get older relatives and/or friends (if available) to swear that such and such date is the only date they have known as your father's birthdate. Just get as much evidence as possible and keep your fingers crossed. If you're in the US then you should make inquiries of the local Pakistani Consulate. Send an e-mail and be vigilant. Keep e-mail responses as evidence in lieu of the non-availability letter. Document everything!
 
Update:

After much distress (I should take my own advice and relax!) and haranging of USCIS personnel I was able to determine that my mother's affidavit was in fact lost, so now that I sent out a new affidavit everything should proceed as planned. I was told by the folks at the NVC that if there is an affidavit in lieu of a b/c then they just send the case on to its destination (in my case the consulate at Montreal which the USCIS people keep calling the embassy, I guess geography isn't their strong suit!) and let the embassy or consular officials make the call. I hope this is of some use to the rest of the people who are having trouble with the procurement of the b/c. I'll keep you updated if I hear anything else and I will definitely let you know how things go in Montreal once we get scheduled.
 
Update 2: Things are starting to look up. I mailed out my fourth package with copies of both affidavits and copies of the documentation that I sent before. That was at 4PM EDT. I also made sure that I enclosed a bar code sheet with the package since one USCIS clerk told me that much of what is received w/o the bar code page is discarded. It doesn't explain what happened to the affidavit I sent in April with the barcode and the rest of my documentation but I guess that's the USCIS for you! I was starting to dispair, when I thought I'd phone the NVC this evening. I got through at 11:20 and lo and behold was informed that they received something today. I don't know which affidavit it is but since the last three were sworn, it shouldn't be too long before I take the parents to la belle province! Right now I'm getting all the medical stuff out of the way (x-rays, vaccinations, blood tests, etc.) so when I take them to the panel physician everything will already be done. How is everybody else doing with their cases?
 
canuckbro,

Good to hear things are moving along (hopefully!). I just mailed my AOS packages on July 5. So far haven't heard anything back and not even the checks have been cashed. Anxiously waiting.
 
Keep holding on! USCIS may be slow but I'm sure they'll cash your check one of these days. A government agency that doesn't want to steal your money right away, imagine that!
 
Actually got the receipt about a week ago and then soon got the appointment for fingerprinting as well! Now just hoping that we don't get an RFE cuz I have no idea how to produce more docs than I submitted.
 
That's great news! I think if they give you a hassle keep bugging them until they relent and see things your way. If you don't try it, who will?
 
Update: Phoned in today and as of July 27 Mom's finally been listed to be scheduled for the interview at Montreal. Only several months and a few million letters later and we're on our way. At least I won't have to phone Portsmouth anymore. Hope Mom and Dad get an early interview!
 
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Thanks canuckbro for your message on the other thread.

I-130 for parents is approved. Next stage is to file I-485 since they are in US now. But we don't have any record of birth certificates. What kind of affidavit I can get? No relatives living to give us any affidavit.

Please advise. Thanks.
 
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