Error on GC leading to denial?

You know when your GC is approved. You supposed to correct the date on your GC, instead you applied early. It's pure misleading and clearly providing wrong information. No justifications. Period.
 
smartkid said:
If I may ask, did you get your green card through asylum? Asylees always have this problem on their green card.
please reply and I can advice you more


To clarify some point those are mentioned here:

1) Under NO circumstances I intended to lie, according to my GC I was a resident for 5 years, I called CIS tall free number to confirm – their computer showed 2000, I schedule an appointment with INS – officer told me to apply, so I did.
2) Lawyer was not crooking me, it was my intent to file he warned me of possible outcomes and I was the one making decision to proceed with application.
3) No, I did not receive my GC through asylum, but through H4 (dependent) visa.

Sounds like I would just have to wait for denial letter since I was not denied on spot, and then re-apply in June.

Question that I cannot get a straight answer for:

Is this Ok to have duplicate application in the system if, when June comes I have no answer from CIS in regards of my past N400 case? Will this new application treated separately or will it just simply complicate things even more and delay me further?

Thanks!
 
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Duplicate is fine. By the time they process your second application you will have received a denial letter. It will be treated as a totally separate application and will not complicate things at all.


N400TriState said:
Question that I cannot get a straight answer for:

Is this Ok to have duplicate application in the system if, when June comes I have no answer from CIS in regards of my past N400 case? Will this new application treated separately or will it just simply complicate things even more and delay me further?

Thanks!
 
JoeF said:
Well, first off, never believe anything they tell you, unless it is in writing. The 800-number is completely unreliable. The people there are not even CIS employees. That "service" is outsourced.
And even CIS officers are not required to advise you correctly. There have been lots of instances where they have given wrong, and sometimes even dangerous advice.
The best way is always to go to a good lawyer. Now you had a lawyer, but obviously, he isn't all that good. Unfortunately, there are lots of bad lawyers out there. While he may not have intentionally misled you, any decent lawyer should know that the only thing that matters is the date on the I-485 approval. On the paper. Somebody within CIS may have had a slip of the finger when they entered the date in the computer, that's why the paper file is the one that counts.
If he said there would be a 50/50 chance, as you mentioned, he either is a rookie, or he was misleading you. The date they have on file, on paper, is the only date that matters, and as I said above, any decent lawyer should know that. A good lawyer would have told you that, and possibly would have requested a copy of the file.
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So my lord,we should not beleive CIS 800-number customer support as they are outsourced and as per JoeF(??) they are useless as they are outsourced(??) what a great logic!! I am impressed and then on top of that don't beleive CIS officers as they are not required to give correct advice( haa haa...) and don't ever beleive lawyers as they intentially mislead everybody in the world( GREAT, nobody argue that RIGHT) But BUT BUT always beleive JoeF and other Jonny(joef's alias) as they sucks BIG time. Ha ha Ha.

DO you know what ,YOU are a REAL CrackPOT.. And need some serious medical attention ASAP. Can you get some medical HELP First and then advice poor immigrants here . Thank you VERY MUCH.


I am considering advices of my legal councel to take legal action againest JoeF for spreading misinformation about outsourcing, CIS officers and lawyers. Details soon. PM me for your support
 
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Ok, here is the update – just got a denial letter 1 day after the interview stating that I do not satisfy residency requirements. Funny part is that CIS apologizes for the error they made on my GC and with new date of March 8 when I am eligible to re-apply. :D

Have to wait until Wednesday of next week to re-apply… Thank God, line moves quickly here in TriState…
:cool:
 
N400TriState said:
Ok, here is the update – just got a denial letter 1 day after the interview stating that I do not satisfy residency requirements. Funny part is that CIS apologizes for the error they made on my GC and with new date of March 8 when I am eligible to re-apply. :D

Have to wait until Wednesday of next week to re-apply… Thank God, line moves quickly here in TriState…
:cool:

well, doesn't sound like you should lose much sleep over this, :).

it is a good outcome for you and quite frankly you shouldn't have been scared by some self-proclaimed legal experts here.

I would wait until the June date to refile, if I were you.
 
CIS 800-number customer support

I think this practice holds true for most government agency support, not only the CIS 800-number customer support. Other than immigration, many people have been hurt/suffer from the confused/inconsistent information given by IRS helpline support (depending on the day/time you call them) and got into a big mess with their tax filing. My personal opinion is that you should get everything in writing, if those information is important to you!!

When my company sponsored my H1 visa and my GC, I requested all the correspondence in writing between my company's HR immigration personnel and the appointed immigration lawyer for my case. It's not that I don't trust them 100%, I just need to protect myself.

N400TriState, you can submit your application 90 days before your 5-year residency. There's a flowchart on the application manual that walk you through your eligibility.

Good luck!

My timeline
DO: DC/Arlington, VA
Mailed N400 to VSC - 01/27/06
PD - 01/30/06
FP notice received - 02/10/06
FP - 02/23/06
IL - ?
ID - ?
 
Funny all this talk about outsourcing the helpline, because I was at my oath cerimony last week (yeah! :) ) and the District Office Manager was doing his speech prior to the oath and that is one thing he very explicitly mentioned! He said that the helpline people's advice should not be trusted completely as they essentially "read from a script" is the way he put it. You ask your question and they look up the answer in a book they have and tell you what it says there. They are NOT immigration law experts and should not be treated as such. His comment came as a result of a lady asking him whether she could travel to England immidiately after getting her citizenship certificate (travel the same day). She said she called the helpline and they told her it would be OK to do this without a passport! The district manager told her the only way she was travelling that day was to re-route through DC and get her passport done with same-day service the following day. He even gave her the choice of not doing the oath that day and traveling instead.

So, take whatever the helpline says with a grain of salt and confirm any questionable advice with a lawyer!

Cheers,
Brian


cw2001 said:
I think this practice holds true for most government agency support, not only the CIS 800-number customer support. Other than immigration, many people have been hurt/suffer from the confused/inconsistent information given by IRS helpline support (depending on the day/time you call them) and got into a big mess with their tax filing. My personal opinion is that you should get everything in writing, if those information is important to you!!

When my company sponsored my H1 visa and my GC, I requested all the correspondence in writing between my company's HR immigration personnel and the appointed immigration lawyer for my case. It's not that I don't trust them 100%, I just need to protect myself.

N400TriState, you can submit your application 90 days before your 5-year residency. There's a flowchart on the application manual that walk you through your eligibility.

Good luck!

My timeline
DO: DC/Arlington, VA
Mailed N400 to VSC - 01/27/06
PD - 01/30/06
FP notice received - 02/10/06
FP - 02/23/06
IL - ?
ID - ?
 
If I recall correctly the USCIS ombudsman had mentioned in his report that very often wrong/misleading information is given out by the USCSIS help line. I think they are good just for receiving address change information. I must admit here that I have never called the help/inquiry line ever:) I got my green card in 9 months through CP, and thus did not go through the grueling 485 process. There is no escape this time around - no CP option here!
 
I think you should withdraw.
The is the scenario....suppose you get approved...and you get your citizenship. When that happens...you will no longer have your green card.

At some point in the future, you are in some legal trouble...and somebody investigates your USCIS file, they can determine that you were not eligible for your Citizenship ane denaturalize you.
At that time in the future, you will have no green card to go back on...and have to leave the country.

So I would suggest you wait and apply 5 years after your approval.
 
harvydonald said:
I think you should withdraw.
The is the scenario....suppose you get approved...and you get your citizenship. When that happens...you will no longer have your green card.

At some point in the future, you are in some legal trouble...and somebody investigates your USCIS file, they can determine that you were not eligible for your Citizenship ane denaturalize you.
At that time in the future, you will have no green card to go back on...and have to leave the country.

So I would suggest you wait and apply 5 years after your approval.

Harvey,
I was going thru the USCIS website the other day and read that, when they de-naturalize, they will revert the status back to one's previous status...so, that would be to the GC status...I wish I could do a quick search and find that link...this one stuck to my mind, since my thinking was like the one you stated above, prior to me going thru the USCIS website...
 
A few pages ago on this thread, very first reply to the OP, JoeF posted this:

JoeF said:
Actually, you will get a denial.

and he was right. Again. As always!
 
aashn said:
and he was right. Again. As always!

if you put a monkey in front of a typewriter long enough, he will generate a master piece. maybe two if you are lucky.

just an observation.
 
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