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English knowledge at POE

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slb123

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I am the DV winner and hope to go alone initially and my son and wife will be coming to USA after about few months (before expiration of the visa period)

But their english knowledge is not sufficient to communicate at the POE.

How this type of situation is handled by the authorities at the POE.

I think this is applicable to winners who haven't much knowledge in English language
 
You mean has he already received his immigrant Visa? Thats besides the point. I will assume from your line of questioning that you have your Visa(s). I am quite sure that they will be able to get a translator for your wife and son. They deal with people from so many countries that are not English speaking each day. So am sure they will be fine. Can't be expected to travell with a translator of your own... All the best.
 
Bentlebee what you say is really true. Its a huge help indeed. I guess it pays to take English lessons at all costs. Imagine the divide when you in an English speaking nation.. Must be hard.
 
If the wife and child don't speak one word of English they might even get rejected because of the issue of becoming a "liability to society" which is a reason to be rejected, unless the winner of the DV has so much funds available and proof that he can provide for a certain period for all of them...

People have been rejected for that reason, so I have heard and I did hear from a person who won and got the GC years ago that speaking English is one requirement....it doesn't have to be perfect but the basics can be expected to be succesful in the USA, specially for the winner.
 
bentlebee said:
If the wife and child don't speak one word of English they might even get rejected because of the issue of becoming a "liability to society" which is a reason to be rejected
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No, they cannot be rejected, because knowledge of English is not required for permanent residency in the US.
 
Rejection for not being able to speak English is not true. All I was saying or rather highlighting is how difficult it would be to fit into society. Even no the dv requirements they ask for translation of documents that are not in English. Rejecting someone because they can not speak English would be discrimination. This is why the word DIVERSITY is used. We can still all get along in this world. Hell come to think of it most products we use are probably manufactured by non English speaking nations. We all need each other somehow. I would not be barred from entering China because I can not speak their language.. Same thing with the States. I hope this helps the person who started this thread.
 
If you want to see this in action just walk into USA via an entry point on the Southern boarder, or a PoE in FL, CA or TX!!

Nonsense of....... 'Liability to Society'
 
Thanks all of you who responded to my question. I am the DV winner and there is no problem about my knowledge in English.

Since I am planning to get my son and wife on a later date, I wonder whether I have to come back to my native country to take them.

And English is not a problem at POE , I can ask them to travel to USA while I am in USA without coming back to my home country.

After finding a new job in USA , I suppose it is not good for asking a long leave as a newly recruited employer.

Anyway I have planned to have some tution and get improve their knowledge.
 
There has been a winner who got rejected since his job would require a license in the US and according to the embassy he would have a hard time passing the exam, so he was rejected. If a winner has papers that are not looking great but just barely allow him to go to the US with his family that hardly speaks English, this family can be rejected since one requirement is " not to become a liability" which is up to the decretion of the USCIS to determine...and a family can and will be rejected.

I recently spoke with a very good immigration lawyer who handled a case (not a DV) of a very famous person and it took 4 years and he won the case, but he state that becomin a liability is one of the highest thing they will look at.

So if this family has lots of money, they probably won't have an issue, but if they have barely the requested amount it could end up being a denial.
 
NuvF said:
Nonsense of....... 'Liability to Society'
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Indeed Bentlebee was talking nonsense. :rolleyes:. I can't post links until I make 15 posts, but if you want to search for the term "Public Charge" on the USCIS site it'll explain it to you. The term US immigration uses for it is "public charge", if they think you're likely to become a burden on the US government, technically you can be denied a green card.
 
ak27 said:
Indeed Bentlebee was talking nonsense. :rolleyes:. I can't post links until I make 15 posts, but if you want to search for the term "Public Charge" on the USCIS site it'll explain it to you. The term US immigration uses for it is "public charge", if they think you're likely to become a burden on the US government, technically you can be denied a green card.
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Exactly! If you can become a burden on society...if a person needs a license for their job and can't speak or read English but has the job requirement, say "goodbye" to the GC because the USCIS can deny it and has done it in the past....if you can't pass the exam, how can you get the job without a license (some jobs do require a license over here but not in other countries)...so you will become a burden.
 
bentlebee said:
if a person needs a license for their job and can't speak or read English but has the job requirement
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There is no such thing as "job requirement." Of course, a job offer is a nice addition to the AOS package, but it is in no way a binding contract. In other words, a job offer (or any plans for fiture employment) does not guarantee that a person who has it will not become a public charge upon receiving a GC. That is the reason why people send job related documents together with affidavits and bank statements. Anybody with money (or with an affidavit of support) can decide not to work at all, hence there is no need in certification and employment for him.
 
Actually his problem was to know whether his wife can procced at the POE without knowing english. That was his question.

My idea about this

1. If English is necessary (I know it is helpful if you speak english) , how do people who are not familiar with english pass at POE

2. See the following taken from the M-618.pdf (A guide for new immigrants issued by UCIS). According to that even you don't know english you can find a job and english speaking is not mandatory for that job , the emplyer can't refuse of giving the job.

What I wnat to show is knowing english is helpful , there is no argument , but not mandatory


Speaking English at Work

If you do not speak English, try to learn it as soon as
possible.You can find free or low-cost English language
classes in your community, often through the local public
schools or community college. Knowing English will help
you in your job, your community, and your daily life. See
page 60 for more information on learning English

If your employer says you must speak English at work, he
or she must show that speaking English is required for
you to do your job correctly. Your employer must also
tell you that English is required before you are hired.
If your employer cannot show that speaking English is
required for your job, he or she may be breaking a
federal law. If you need assistance or more information,
you can contact the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity
Commission (EEOC). Call 1-800-669-4000 or 1-800-669-
6820 (hearing impaired) or go to http://www.eeoc.gov.
 
If the OP has eough mone it won't be a problem, if he has barely enough it can be an issue if he doesn't have a job offer in writing on a companies letter head and notorized...not just a hand written note that any one could have written...

Having a job isn't a requirement, but the USCIS will handle case by case...and many can end up with a different reason for the end result....

Not speaking or hardly being able to speak English will require other things than speaking English and proving you will be able to find a job easier...it isn't like "the USCIS thinks you are nice and help you find a job"....this is reality and you enter on a GC and you are on your own....you make it or not, and some people don't make it and go back to their home country, the USCIS wants to make that last percentage as small as possible...
 
Madu12, I share the same opinion with you. His wife and son will have no problem with getting through the POE. When they get to the US they do not have to work. Clearly he is the bread winner. He has already indicated that he will be starting on a new job. You would wounder how they would become a public charge??? He also indicated that he would get them educated in English. Bentlebee don't confuse this guy..
 
Yes ,I suppose his problem is whether his wife and son get through from the POE without english knowledge. Suppose thay will provide a translator at POE
 
It isn't about entering the country...they will have no issue if the GC is granted....but the father might have a harder time with his interview. If the father has a good paying job it will make things easier but if it is a job that is paying a minimum wage and the wife and son don't speak English, it might be difficult to get the GC, since USCIS/embassy know the father won't be able to provide for the whole family without risking to become a liability if he will loose his job...if the father has a lot of savings, his chances are way better.

At the POE they won't decide if English is good enough to enter....that has nothing to do with getting the GC and passing the interview....

I thought the OP was asking the question because of the interview....sorry...if i was mistaken, but still the issue at the interview will be there, so I hope this family has more savings or the man a great paying job, otherwise he might not get the GC....
 
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