Don't feel so bad, even me, a US Citizen is now removed from the US

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rrmaron

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Abuses from Customs and Border Patrol have risen to the point where even US Citizens are not allowed back into the USA, 8 border guards manhandled me into a taxi and forced me to go into Canada, which is not my home.

At approximately 10pm on Monday 10 Jan 2011, I was returning home from Toronto, Canada to New York by Greyhound Bus, and we stopped for Immigration and Customs at Buffalo. I showed my US passport card (at which point, I legally should have been admitted into the US), I was then asked if I had items other than mine in my luggage, to which I said yes, as I had some used women's clothes to give to someone. I said that I was not interested in them and they could be seized/thrown away, however, they refused to let me do that and insisted that I took them back to Canada and I refused as I am a US Citizen, who was willing to relinquish the offending goods, but they insisted and 8 officers marched me into a taxi with my arms locked to go and jettison these used clothes in Canada. Since when did this become legal to treat US citizens this way, I want to go home, but I am scared of being assaulted again, so am stuck in a country that is not mine.
 
Visa number retrogression began to start in employment-based categories in Feb. 2005. This poster (or is it pozer?) indicates in his signature that an I-140 was to be filed or had been or would be filed around in Dec. 2004. There is no mention of an I-485 or anything else after that. The entry "I140 Ad -- forecasted to be 18dec04" is perhaps a projection of an anticipated I-485 but but that is unclear. An EAC-number is indicated but not identified with any particular form type.

In comparison to all the other proud naturalized citizens on this forum, that strikes me as ODD to say the least. Might this person have obtained a passport card unlawfully? Was it actually his?

The incident described sounds like a pack of lies.

OP's signature:
Rd --10/09/03
Nd --10/14/03
Ead - 02/06/04
AP - 02/23/04
FP1- 10/19/04
I140 Ad -- forecasted to be 18dec04 :)
Eac -04-009-546XX
 
BigJoe5 said:
Visa number retrogression began to start in employment-based categories in Feb. 2005. This poster (or is it pozer?) indicates in his signature that an I-140 was to be filed or had been or would be filed around in Dec. 2004. There is no mention of an I-485 or anything else after that. The entry "I140 Ad -- forecasted to be 18dec04" is perhaps a projection of an anticipated I-485 but but that is unclear. An EAC-number is indicated but not identified with any particular form type.

In comparison to all the other proud naturalized citizens on this forum, that strikes me as ODD to say the least. Might this person have obtained a passport card unlawfully? Was it actually his?

The incident described sounds like a pack of lies.

OP's signature:
Rd --10/09/03
Nd --10/14/03
Ead - 02/06/04
AP - 02/23/04
FP1- 10/19/04
I140 Ad -- forecasted to be 18dec04 :)
Eac -04-009-546XX
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well if you live in the US then you are very well aware that around 200+ people in the last decade or so got deported from US even if they been actualy born in this country !!..so what this forum memebr is saying it makes sense since I witnesed one incident myself on the border with canada when person with GC was sent back to canada to get rid of the botle of liquer ?!

this country is pretty funny to begin with .. everything depends here on individual luck rather then norms and lwas like in other countries ..here everyone has opinion on the law and how to enforce it ..there is no strainght line but rather rule of the thumb ..thats why we have this forum and so many subjects covered here ....because this country is not in existence for very long so it seems ptretty chaotic and unruly at the times ..
 
PRAHA said:
....because this country is not in existence for very long so it seems ptretty chaotic and unruly at the times ..
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Actually the US government is one of the longest lasting, most stable forms of government in the world. One would be hard pressed to find another country in the world where the same system of government has been in place since 1789 (the year the US constitution was ratified).

In fact I would argue that the problem with the USA is actually the exact opposite of what you say. It is not that it hasn't been in existence for long enough. It is more that the government has been in existence for TOO long and there has been time for a lot of corruption has set in despite the high ideals of the constitution.
 
PRAHA said:
well if you live in the US then you are very well aware that around 200+ people in the last decade or so got deported from US even if they been actualy born in this country !!
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I don't actually think this statistic-oid is especially common knowledge for everyone living in the USA, actually.

But there can be several reasons why a person born in the USA might legitimately be deported:

1. When they were born (as opposed to their current status) their parents had diplomatic immunity and so the children do not qualify for US citizenship.
2. They were citizens at birth but subsequently renounced citizenship.
3. The person has dual citizenship and intentionally conceals their place of birth (perhaps they want to travel to the USA but don't want all the responsibilities of US citizenship eg US taxes or criminal responsibility for something that is a crime only for US citizens).

I'm not sure how common deportations in the above situations are, but 200 people in a decade--eg 20 in the entire country per year--actually amounts to a fairly rare occurrence.
 
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/detention-reform/pdf/usc_guidance_nov_2009.pdf

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...VUa9nB&sig=AHIEtbR4xf8iYgWZt8O4lBJ2utg32lD51Q

From CBP Inspector’s Field Manual at:https://www.checkpointusa.org/DHS/docs/CBPIFMFeb2008.pdf [FOIA Redacted.]

An example of a subsequent regulatory change is that: "[E]ffective January 31, 2008, CBP Officers will no longer generally allow travelers claiming to be U.S., Canadian, or Bermudian citizens to establish citizenship by relying only on an oral declaration. Beginning on that date, all travelers, including those claiming to be U.S., Canadian, or Bermudian citizens arriving by land and sea will generally be expected to present some form of documentation to satisfy the CBP Officer of his or her identity and citizenship." See 72 Fed. Reg. 72744 , December 21, 2007.

And see Chapter 12 (a small excerpt):

12.1 Inspection of U.S. Citizens.

When you are convinced that an applicant for admission is a citizen of the United States, the examination is terminated. This is not to say that your role as an inspector is always completed at that time. Listing of the subject in a lookout system may dictate further action, such as notifying Customs or another agency of the person’s entry.
 
CalGreenCard said:
Actually the US government is one of the longest lasting, most stable forms of government in the world. One would be hard pressed to find another country in the world where the same system of government has been in place since 1789 (the year the US constitution was ratified).

In fact I would argue that the problem with the USA is actually the exact opposite of what you say. It is not that it hasn't been in existence for long enough. It is more that the government has been in existence for TOO long and there has been time for a lot of corruption has set in despite the high ideals of the constitution.
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well maybe you are right :D NOT !!..
well lets SEE ..UK exists about 200+ years more then US in present form of governing ..(constitutional monarchy )...SWISS federation since 14 th century exists in almost the same frame as federal republic today ..Sweden exists since 1600 same as UK as constitutional monarchy etc ..so by that analogy ..all those countries should be corrupted beyond repair ...EH..ARE YOU SERIOUS DUDE ??

I think you lack some very basic history lessons and you need to travel maybe some more ..and live in those countries so you can probably sound less bombastic in you forum posts ...I MEAN COME ONE ..what kind of theory is that ????..who told you that ..are you 13years old ??
 
yesb agree but ..US is THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE THAT HAPPENS WITH NO REPERCUSION TO ANYTING ..?!...I can only imagine what would happen if say polcie decide to deport some say bona fide german citizen from germany ..OUCH ..HEADS WOULD ROLL for sure ..ministers would be booted off or even maybe the whole govermant would fall..those kind of stuff would not pass in EU anywhere ...i remember story about some family deported from norway (naturalizes citizens by decent from somalia )..ugh ..they had to send the plane to bring them back ..!!chief of police was kicked off...
 
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