Does USCIS get a record of where you lived from USPS?

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husotx

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Hi everyone

I was just wondering if USCIS pulls a record of where you lived (i.e., you addresses) since you became a resident for N400 application? I am asking this question because I am thinking of moving out of my apartment for summer and opening a PO box to get forwarded mails. When I come back from a 3 month vacation, I will move to a new place.

When I file my application, I will list my current address as if I lived there before moving my future address. By this way, there will not be any break between my moves.

Do you think that USCIS checks your answer in Part 6A against your USPS record?

Thanks
 
husotx said:
I was just wondering if USCIS pulls a record of where you lived (i.e., you addresses) since you became a resident for N400 application? I am asking this question because I am thinking of moving out of my apartment for summer and opening a PO box to get forwarded mails. When I come back from a 3 month vacation, I will move to a new place.

When I file my application, I will list my current address as if I lived there before moving my future address. By this way, there will not be any break between my moves.

Do you think that USCIS checks your answer in Part 6A against your USPS record?
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I did not understand all of it, as you are talking about a) new place, b) current address, c) future address and d) a PO box. However, I am sure there are a max of 3 addresses involved in this whole chess game.

At the same time, seems like you are banking on USCIS not discovering something which you know is factually incorrect. Is that correct?
 
husotx said:
Hi everyone

I was just wondering if USCIS pulls a record of where you lived (i.e., you addresses) since you became a resident for N400 application? I am asking this question because I am thinking of moving out of my apartment for summer and opening a PO box to get forwarded mails. When I come back from a 3 month vacation, I will move to a new place.

When I file my application, I will list my current address as if I lived there before moving my future address. By this way, there will not be any break between my moves.

Do you think that USCIS checks your answer in Part 6A against your USPS record?

Thanks
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So essentially, you're considering lying on your application and are trying to figure out your chances of getting caught?

But to answer your question, USCIS doesn't check your address history, the FBI does. (And the FBI does check previous addresses)

Just understand the stakes you're dealing with here. If you do get caught, it'll be with your pants down - having essentially severed your links with the US immediately before filing the N400 (i.e. quitting your apartment, putting your stuff in storage, moving bills to a PO box and leaving the country).
USCIS will accept your donation of $675 (the filing fee) , get you to the interview and then tell you to cool your heels for 4yrs+1 day...
(Is that worth 3 months rent? You'll spend more on the lawyer fighting the denial)
 
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husotx said:
Hi everyone

I was just wondering if USCIS pulls a record of where you lived (i.e., you addresses) since you became a resident for N400 application? I am asking this question because I am thinking of moving out of my apartment for summer and opening a PO box to get forwarded mails. When I come back from a 3 month vacation, I will move to a new place.

When I file my application, I will list my current address as if I lived there before moving my future address. By this way, there will not be any break between my moves.

Do you think that USCIS checks your answer in Part 6A against your USPS record?

Thanks
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USCIS doesn't check USPS records.

Is the new place in the same district area? If it is, your residency ties carry over. If you're moving to another district area , you'll have to reestablish residency for at least 90 days before you can apply, regardless of if you use a PO box in between moves.
 
GungaDin said:
So essentially, you're considering lying on your application and are trying to figure out your chances of getting caught?

But to answer your question, USCIS doesn't check your address history, the FBI does. (And the FBI does check previous addresses)

Just understand the stakes you're dealing with here. If you do get caught, it'll be with your pants down - having essentially severed your links with the US immediately before filing the N400 (i.e. quitting your apartment, putting your stuff in storage, moving bills to a PO box and leaving the country).
USCIS will accept your donation of $675 (the filing fee) , get you to the interview and then tell you to cool your heels for 4yrs+1 day...
(Is that worth 3 months rent? You'll spend more on the lawyer fighting the denial)
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Well said, GungaDin....this "smells" Immigration fraud, lying in N-400 and then to Federal Iimmigration Officer under oath.. If you do not qualify, do not file.
 
I think DreamUSA and GungaDin misunderstood me. I am not trying to trick USCIS or lie to them. My concern is if it is ok to list the places I lived with some break between them.

Let's say I live in Place A from january 2009 to june 2009. Then I move my stuff to storage for summer. I come back and move to Place B in September 2009. In this case, should I list the places I live as

Place A January 2009-June 2009
Place B September 2009-present

or

Place A January 2009-September 2009
Place B September 2009-present

For your information, I will qualify to apply before I leave the country for summer. But I want to file my application when I come back.
 
husotx said:
I think DreamUSA and GungaDin misunderstood me. I am not trying to trick USCIS or lie to them. My concern is if it is ok to list the places I lived with some break between them.

Let's say I live in Place A from january 2009 to june 2009. Then I move my stuff to storage for summer. I come back and move to Place B in September 2009. In this case, should I list the places I live as

Place A January 2009-June 2009
Place B September 2009-present

or

Place A January 2009-September 2009
Place B September 2009-present

For your information, I will qualify to apply before I leave the country for summer. But I want to file my application when I come back.
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No Gaps. This information is used for background checks and any gap is going to cause issues.

Place A January 2009-June 2009
Vacation in XXX (country name) June-September 2009
Place B September 2009-present

This is the safest course of action and will invite the least amount of scrutiny.
 
husotx , Yes, you need to disclose your residency data as it is. Rporting GAPs is a red flag and may result in delay and potential denial if USCIS determines you withheld information ... You can be almost certain that IO during the interview will raise this..Although you have nothing to hide, it reporting gaps creates a potential presumption that there is something going.

Look at residency info in N-400 sames as the job history in a job application....Similar to HR department of hiring company, you will likely get an inquiry to explain any gap in your application.
 
In fact, don't worry about it. USCIS consider less than 3 month totally irrelevant. When I filed my I485, I listed
all past addresses and one of them is less than 3 months my lawyer crossed it out and absorbed that period into the previosu address
 
WBH said:
In fact, don't worry about it. USCIS consider less than 3 month totally irrelevant. When I filed my I485, I listed
all past addresses and one of them is less than 3 months my lawyer crossed it out and absorbed that period into the previosu address
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My experience (during permanent residence app filing) was exactly the opposite. My lawyer even had me list the few weeks between graduation and starting a job as From <date> to <date> - Address. (Visiting with family)
There was also a corresponding entry in the Employment section with 'Unemployed'.
 
WBH said:
In fact, don't worry about it. USCIS consider less than 3 month totally irrelevant. When I filed my I485, I listed
all past addresses and one of them is less than 3 months my lawyer crossed it out and absorbed that period into the previosu address
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Can you please provide a reference document for USCIS policy about your statement ? Personal experience can be useful to know but it could be an exception as the other IO may apply different approach (unless there is a policy or regulatory document). Also N-400 is at issue here, not I-485.
 
husotx said:
I think DreamUSA and GungaDin misunderstood me. I am not trying to trick USCIS or lie to them. My concern is if it is ok to list the places I lived with some break between them.

Let's say I live in Place A from january 2009 to june 2009. Then I move my stuff to storage for summer. I come back and move to Place B in September 2009. In this case, should I list the places I live as

Place A January 2009-June 2009
Place B September 2009-present

or

Place A January 2009-September 2009
Place B September 2009-present

For your information, I will qualify to apply before I leave the country for summer. But I want to file my application when I come back.
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Again, are you moving to a different service district area?
 
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