Do I have the option for a mandamus lawsuit?

Thanks for everyone's input and encouragement.

My 120 days will be up around 7/22/05. So I still have quite a while to wait. But please keep us posted on your developments, especially on which lawyers are good at these kind of legal actions.

I have already waited 14 months for my interview here in Atlanta. My FP will expire in June. So most likely I will be called for another FP in the near future.

Frustrated but hopeful.
 
120 days?I am going on to like more like 160 right now. My blood is going to start boiling soon in about the next 2 weeks if I don't hear something. I went to the DO day before and they told me the officer I interviewed is doing over 700 cases so I just have to wait. She was nice enough to give me a form to leave a written request for the officer as he was out on oath and put it in his drop box. She couldn't tell me if my name check was cleared for some reason though. I wrote up on that sheet good an proper so hopefully something will happen. I swear the amount of stress you go through with this, can't you put in a request under special circumstances that you have high blood pressure and can't deal with having a stroke or heart attack? :p
 
I passed the 120-day benchmark a long time ago. My interview was on August 31, 2004, in San Diego, I'm coming up on 8 months since the interview, and I'm still sitting and waiting to hear about the name check. I wrote three letters to them, got a boilerplate letter back complaining how busy they are because of these dang immigrants. I wrote a letter to Hardy, got a letter back saying that they received my request and assigned a number to it, something very long, like in that movie "Beetlejuise" where he died and then ended up in line to Heaven, and his number in line has something like 25 digits.

My immigration attorney has never even brought up a possibility of the lawsuit. But knowing the legal system of the US, what are the chances of us even winning it in court? I've seen these arrogant judges discriminating in court against a guy with a foreign accent, been a victim of it myself. How long does the process take? Thanks. Should I do it myself , or should I hire an attorney to do it?
 
Since immigration is a federal matter, so obviously a lawsuit can be filed anywhere in the country, and an attorney can represent anyone from any part of the country.

A lawyer may file a 'class action' lawsuit on behalf of all the willing parties who are intrested in this action. But I must tell you that such a lawsuit might probably be thrown out ( dismissed) if FBI has not yet responded on applicant's background check as USCIS is not allowed to proceed on a case without having first FBI clearance on applicant as per the law made after 9/11/2001. So, 120 days rule is not applicable here. However, it is also true that USCIS is required to make a decision on an application within 120 days after the interview, and they should conduct the interview after the completion of all these requirements. By the way, these kind of lawsuits do not bother to USCIS, otherwise they would have already decided a case within 120 days after the interview. That's why attorneys never advise in filing this kind of lawsuit unless applicant pushs for it.

There are some positive and negative impacts of filing this kind of lawsuit against USCIS. The positive one is- though USCIS can easily drag the matter in a court for months or may be years, but usually they make a decision on an application within 60 days after a case is filed in the court. In most cases, they make a favorable decision- the approved one. You should know that once a case is filed in a court, USCIS has at maximum 60 days to submit their answer with the court in response to a lawsuit, but they always answer at the end time, the 59th day after a case is filed. The negative part is- they will behave with hostile attitude towards the applicant. I've read some places that USCIS even found some grounds to deny the application. Sometimes, they even send out another interview letter for a second-interview, wherein applicant will be highly scrutinized. Sometimes, as a result of lawsuit, USCIS has approved cases on one hand, but on the other hand-they hung the applicants up in uncertainty for many-many months for an oath ceremony. So proceed on this route with your sense.
 
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JohnnyCash said:
Since immigration is a federal matter, so obviously a lawsuit can be filed anywhere in the country, and an attorney can represent anyone from any part of the country.

JohnnyCash, I respectfully disagree with you. The Lawsuit should be filed with the same district court where the plaintiff (applicant) resides. If you file with the wrong District Court, be assured that your case will be dismissed. The best thing to do is to go the court house and speak with the clerk. Ask her if that's the right court which has jurisdiction over your case.
 
JohnnyCash said:
A lawyer may file a 'class action' lawsuit on behalf of all the willing parties who are intrested in this action. But I must tell you that such a lawsuit might probably be thrown out ( dismissed) if FBI has not yet responded on applicant's background check as USCIS is not allowed to proceed on a case without having first FBI clearance on applicant as per the law made after 9/11/2001. So, 120 days rule is not applicable here. However, it is also true that USCIS is required to make a decision on an application within 120 days after the interview, and they should conduct the interview after the completion of all these requirements. By the way, these kind of lawsuits do not bother to USCIS, otherwise they would have already decided a case within 120 days after the interview. That's why attorneys never advise in filing this kind of lawsuit unless applicant pushs for it.

There are some positive and negative impacts of filing this kind of lawsuit against USCIS. The positive one is- though USCIS can easily drag the matter in a court for months or may be years, but usually they make a decision on an application within 60 days after a case is filed in the court. In most cases, they make a favorable decision- the approved one. You should know that once a case is filed in a court, USCIS has at maximum 60 days to submit their answer with the court in response to a lawsuit, but they always answer at the end time, the 59th day after a case is filed. The negative part is- they will behave with hostile attitude towards the applicant. I've read some places that USCIS even found some grounds to deny the application. Sometimes, they even send out another interview letter for a second-interview, wherein applicant will be highly scrutinized. Sometimes, as a result of lawsuit, USCIS has approved cases on one hand, but on the other hand-they hung the applicants up in uncertainty for many-many months for an oath ceremony. So proceed on this route with your sense.

Once again, JohnnyCash I must disagree with you. These lawsuits are very depressing to our lovely USCIS. If I can say it in one sentence it’ll be: USCIS hates mandamus cases. Because when you file a mandamus complaint, your case is now a matter of public record and is out in the open. Everybody from George Bush to your immigration officer knows about it. USCIS does not like this type of cases because they make them look bad in front of the President, the Attorney General, DHS, the Head of USCIS, etc....

Number 2, unless you have a criminal record, your case will be adjudicated after you file the Mandamus. The success rate for these cases is astonishing. Most cases are dismissed in the middle of the trial, because the plaintiff is either magically naturalized, or USCIS receives the clearance from the FBI and makes a commitment to complete the naturalization process within a certain period of time. Keep in mind that the Federal Court system is a slow process, and your case may take more than six months to be completed. Also by law, USCIS is forbidden from retaliation against the plaintiff. So put that fear to rest. Because once the case is with the court system, especially if the plaintiff asked the Court to make a decision regarding his case, USCIS has no more power over the case. It cannot deny it in the middle of the trial for example, because such act is considered retaliation. Remember being in contempt of the court is a federal offense.

I have never heard of a case where the plaintiff was asked for a second interview where they were highly scrutinized. JohnnyCash, if you have any cases that follow into this category please share them with us.

When you use the Court system, you are using the system of checks and balances of the U.S. government. It's what keeps our democracy healthy.

Sincerely,
 
sony55 said:
Hang tight Publicus,
Your dream of becoming an officer is not impossible. I see the light at the ned of the tunnel. And soon, you will become a wonderful, effecient immigration officer, with courtesy, and joyful attitude. God bless you and everybody!
Thanks Sony, I truly appreciate your soothing words and may God bless you as well my friend.

God forbid, I never planned and will never plan to become an immigration officer. Better work as an executioner than that. :D Just kidding. What I was trying to say is that I was planning on becoming a military officer. I was a Sergeant but wanted to become a lieutenant with more power and more responsibilities. Unfortunately one of the prerequisites for an officer is U.S. citizenship, which I was lacking, therefore my plans changed, and I left the military.
 
SlowJedi said:
I passed the 120-day benchmark a long time ago. My interview was on August 31, 2004, in San Diego, I'm coming up on 8 months since the interview, and I'm still sitting and waiting to hear about the name check. I wrote three letters to them, got a boilerplate letter back complaining how busy they are because of these dang immigrants. I wrote a letter to Hardy, got a letter back saying that they received my request and assigned a number to it, something very long, like in that movie "Beetlejuise" where he died and then ended up in line to Heaven, and his number in line has something like 25 digits.

My immigration attorney has never even brought up a possibility of the lawsuit. But knowing the legal system of the US, what are the chances of us even winning it in court? I've seen these arrogant judges discriminating in court against a guy with a foreign accent, been a victim of it myself. How long does the process take? Thanks. Should I do it myself , or should I hire an attorney to do it?


Dood, SlowJedi, file a complaint of mandamus. You can do it by yourself (per se) or hire an attorney. If you do it by yourself, it'll cost you $150 court fee. With an attorney, depending on this latter, it may cost over $1,000.
 
Publicus said:
Dood, SlowJedi, file a complaint of mandamus. You can do it by yourself (per se) or hire an attorney. If you do it by yourself, it'll cost you $150 court fee. With an attorney, depending on this latter, it may cost over $1,000.
Publicus,
Your way of thinking and you knowledge is admirable! I think you would be a great asset for America when becoming a US citizen!
Thank you for the awesome info.
I would also like to thank talkative for his extended search.
 
sony55 said:
Publicus,
Your way of thinking and you knowledge is admirable! I think you would be a great asset for America when becoming a US citizen!
Thank you for the awesome info.
I would also like to thank talkative for his extended search.

Thank you Sir. I am much obliged by your wonderful comments.
 
It’s true that a lawsuit must need to be filed within the jurisdiction where plaintiff resides, otherwise such a lawsuit will get dismissed because of court’s lacking of jurisdiction over the plaintiff. However, when I previously said that a lawsuit can be filed anywhere, I was just simply trying to mention that- (1) an immigration lawyer can represent anyone at any place because immigration is a federal matter; (2) a lawsuit of this nature can still be filed against USCIS in ANY district court if- (a) the lawsuit is a ‘class action’ lawsuit; and (b) only if a presiding judge will grant a motion in advance to pursue this kind of action in his/her jurisdiction where plaintiffs are not appeared to be residing in that particular jurisdiction. Earlier I was not talking about an individual plaintiff’s case here; instead I was talking about a ‘class action’ lawsuit on behalf of many plaintiffs. So, when we talk about a ‘class action’ lawsuit and if presiding judge will allow including all the plaintiffs in one complaint, then a case can surely be filed at any district court. Nevertheless, I do understand where is the confusion is coming from. I think I was not clear in explaining this as much as I should have been.

About other stuffs, then let me explain some of them. First off, yes- I am personally aware of at least 5 cases wherein USCIS asked for a second interview on those people who had filed this kind of lawsuit against USCIS. They were highly scrutinized. Three of them were denied because USCIS said that they found something “disturbing” in their green card file, while other two were kept in a limbo situation for at least 18 months by saying that their cases were being reinvestigated in the light of “new evidences”. By the way, none of these people had any criminal record. One more thing, if these lawsuits are intended to force USCIS to make a timely decision on a case, then I guess everyone will file such a lawsuit in order to have a quick decision on their case. Further, law only state that USCIS must need to make a decision within 120 days after the interview, but it doesn’t state that decision must has to be positive one. Law also doesn't state that USCIS must need to make a decision without having FBI report on applicant even though USCIS mistakenly interviewed the applicant without having complete FBI report on applicant first. Furthermore, if USCIS will reinvestigate the case or will ask for a second interview or something else then it cannot be construed that it is an act of retaliation. And even though laws say many things, such as that court system is a system of check and balance of U.S. govt., or keeping our democracy healthy, or not to retaliate against the plaintiffs, but yet still we all see how these retaliations or laws play out in our daily life. Most of times, even judges are involved in retaliations. No need me to mention that hundreds of immigrants are still detained without being charged even though law states very clearly that govt. cannot detain a person more than 7 days unless a person is charged for a crime first. And no need me to mention that many of those people’s hearing was held in “closed door” as per the Order of Attorney General even though law states that a court hearing should be in open court. I think I don’t need to mention more about retaliation, or check and balance, or democracy or nation of laws or other things. Life and things are not as fair as it should have been.

I, myself was a victim of ‘flaw judicial system’ of this nation. A judge previously made a wrong ruling in my case, which was completely without the basis in the laws and facts. I appealed that ruling, but lost. Then I filed the appeal in the Supreme Court of that State, but lost again. None of these courts ever made any finding even though laws require them to make a finding. I don’t want to write an essay here about my case, but in brief- the judicial system needs to be reformed here. As far as Terri Schivo's case goes, then her case doesn’t prove that America is a nation of laws. I personally don’t think anyone has spent as much time on Terri Schivo’s case over here as much I did. Actually Congress passed a law in the middle of night at that time to allow Terri’s case for a federal review as her case had only State courts review so far. But instead of reviewing her case from the start as per the intent of Congress, the federal judge just affirmed the decision made by a probate State judge. Besides, how come this federal judge was able to reach a conclusion on Terri’ case within 2-5 hours as a fresh review when it took almost 15 yrs for State Courts to review her case? When the Congress passed the law for Terri, they specifically noted for federal review. Congress did not give the authority to federal judge to review state’s courts decision as if it was an appeal. That said, federal judge should have reviewed her whole case from the start, which is almost impossible for anyone to do within 2-5 hours. And then, 11th circuit court did the same, means-reviewing the whole case within few hours. And then the Supreme Court of the United States refused to take the case. I meant- her life was on line, but Supreme Court did not even care to take the case. Am I missing something? If a court cannot intervene then what is the use of having such court especially when so much contradictory facts and conflicts of interests were involved in Terri Schivo’s case. Back to the initial point- I’m not here to comment on whether or not USCIS should have done such a thing against those who filed lawsuit against USCIS; instead I’m here to tell to people about what I know on this subject matter so that people can make up their own minds in the light of information that I came to know thru dealing with some people in the past.

By the way, mandamus cases are not only the cases subject to a public record; instead each and every case filed with any court is a public record. Further, if you check with any federal court across the nation then you will find that each federal court in this nation is overloaded with thousands of pending cases against USCIS. So obviously, these lawsuits don’t intimidate or bother to USCIS, otherwise they would not have let those cases to be ended up in courts at first place if they even cared a little bit about having these lawsuits as a public record, or a depressing matter to them, or make them look bad in front of others. That being said, if you honestly believe that these kinds of lawsuits make USCIS looks bad in front of the President of the United States, or Attorney General, or Immigration Commissioner then I’ve really nothing more to say on this. I cannot change your mind on this, nor I’m here to change your opinion as well.

Besides, no need me to mention what our Army did in Abu Garib Prison in Iraq, but instead of firing those who ordered to do so, our govt. furiously defended “big guys” even if it looked so bad in front of President and to the President. Neither I need to mention that nobody cared how things looked bad in front of President on many occasions. For example, the former Secy. of State- Collin Powell, made a speech in United Nation before the Iraq war wherein he said that “we have evidences that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction”, but later on it is found that Iraq doesn’t have. Similarly, the former CIA Director- George Tenant has said in the congress that “we have evidence beyond the reasonable doubt that Iraq is involved in building weapon of mass destruction”, but then later on it is found to be false. That said, did anyone from the govt. care how it would look in front of President or others? If not, then why USCIS would care how bad these lawsuits will look in front of President or in front of others? Matter of fact, President already has said many times that he doesn’t care about the public opinions or polls because he will do what he will believe a right thing to do.

I've only tried to help as much I could than judging right and wrong. If someone disagrees with my opinions, then it is their choice, but I would still stand by to the facts that I know for sure.
 
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Johnny, thank you so much for your extensive reply.

I would absolutely love to read about those cases where USCIS asked for a second interview. You say you know five of them. Can you post the case name and/or number in addition to the district court where they were filed?

I agree with you regarding the high volume of cases involving USCIS. But I believe you were talking about Habeas Corpus lawsuits which are different from Writ of Mandamus. The previous ones usually concern illegal immigrants detained for a long period of time. Although theoretically the United States Constitution protects everyone present on U.S. soil, practically, and through past court reviews, this rule only applies to U.S. Citizens and Lawful Residents. That’s why in the Jose Padilla case, the President made him an enemy combatant, to strip him from this right.

In the end, thank you for this great discussion, and I look forward to the name of those cases.

Respectfully,

Publicus
 
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