detailed CP exp. @ chennai - Part 1

vtcat

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Hi folks!

I write this in thanks to the wonderful people at immigrationportal and
cptracker. The information on these websites was invaluable to me during
my preparation for the CP process. In particular, thanks to srifx for
the detailed write-up about his experiences. However, I do point out
that the information on srifx's post is slightly dated, so I thought I
could help fellow CP'ers by relating my own experiences, which happened
recently, so the information should be a little more up to date. Also, I
believe I have a couple of insights that may add value.

As always, "caveat emptor".

Forgive me if this posting is a little verbose, I don't have anything
else to do at the moment.


Document preparation:

I received Packet 4 from Chennai, at my dad's home in India. I had my
dad scan the OF-171 and email it to me.

Basically I had two 1.5 inch folders, one for the documents actually
listed in the Packet 4, the second for supporting documents. I used a
transparent plastic "protector sheet" to hold each document. These are
available in your local office supply store: Staples, Office Depot, etc.
I used yellow sticky notes to list the status of "unfinished" documents,
to indicate whether I needed to get it, copy it, sign it, etc. Once a
document was ready, I removed the sticky note. The protector sheets help
keep the docs in pristine condition.

Marriage and birth certificates are important documents, so I made
copies and appended 1 copy to each original.


Folder 1:


Documents for me, the primary applicant.
  1. OF-171, appointment letter from consulate.
  2. Form G-28, notice of entry of attorney, signed by me. (This tells
    the consulate that the law firm of A, B, C & D are my attorneys in
    the matter of my petition for permanent residence)
  3. DS-230 Part 1, signed. I attached additional sheets to list the
    information for boxes 20, 20 and 25. (DS-230 Part 1 was "just in
    case". My lawyer told me that DS-230 Part 1 had already been sent
    to the consulate, as part of the procedure to request CP interview.)
  4. DS-230 Part 2, unsigned.
  5. Marriage certificate, original + 1 copy
  6. 4 Wedding photos
  7. Non-Availability of birth certificate, issued by the Government of
    Karnataka, (Form No. 10). Getting this takes from about a day upto
    a week. Depends on your ability to navigate the bureaucracy.
  8. Affidavit of birth facts from my mother.
  9. Affidavit of birth facts from my father.
  10. Police clearance certificate, issued from the Indian Embassy in
    Washington DC. The embassy took about 15 working days to get this
    certificate ready and send it back to me. Maybe the quick
    turnaround, shorter than the advertised 45 working days, was
    because my wife and I are from Bangalore. Maybe it would take
    longer if one is from a smaller city or rural area.
  11. Notarized letter of employment, stating my annual salary, and that
    I will be employed immediately upon entry into the US.
  12. Medical Reports. These to be inserted after the medical exam.
  13. Last 3 months bank statements
  14. Last 3 years tax returns
  15. Tax transcripts for the last 3 years. Getting this is really
    simple. Locate your local IRS office, visit them, and ask for the
    tax transcripts you need. The whole process took me about 1 hour.
    They will give you a printout for each year, and put an IRS seal
    on the first sheet of each transcript. I had them put the seal on
    each page of the transcript. I guess I'm paranoid. :). If you
    have enough time, you can request the transcripts by phone.
    Instructions for this are somewhere here on the CP threads on
    immigrationportal.
  16. IRS Form 9003.


Documents for my wife.
  1. Form G-28, notice of entry of attorney, signed by my wife.
  2. DS-230 Part 1, signed (just in case)
  3. DS-230 Part 2, unsigned
  4. Copy of marriage certificate
  5. 4 wedding photos
  6. Birth certificate from the Corporation of the City of Bangalore,
    original + 1 copy. This certificate does not state my wife's
    maiden name, but it does have the names of my wife's parents.
  7. Affidavit of birth facts from wife's dad.
  8. Affidavit of birth facts from wife's mom.
  9. Police Clearance Certificate from Indian Embassy in WDC.
  10. I-134, notarized affidavit of support. (I am the supporter, and my
    wife is the supportee)
  11. Medical Reports. These to be inserted after the medical exam.
  12. IRS Form 9003

After all the documents in this folder were ready, I made a second set
of copies and stored them separately, so that I would have an "exact
image" of the documents that we would present at the interview.

Our medical reports were not sealed. So I copied the medical reports
after we got them in Chennai.


Folder 2:


Supporting Documents for me.

  1. OF-230 Parts 1 and 2. The consulate sends OF-230 in the Packet 4.
    It states on the right corner of the form, that it expires on
    09/30/1995. Also, my lawyer told me that form DS-230 is the
    currently active version, and form OF-230 is obsolete. In any
    case, I filled out the OF-230 and had it available, just in case.
  2. Latest 3 biweekly paystubs.
  3. Previous H-1B and F-1 approvals and I-20.
  4. Couple of old paystubs, from a couple of years back.
  5. Old employment verification letters.
  6. My MS and BS degree certificates.

Supporting Documents for my wife

  1. OF-230 Parts 1 and 2.
  2. Previous H-4 approvals.


Travel & stay in Chennai

We took the overnight train to Chennai, a/c 2-tier sleeper. My wife,
parents, baby, and self. So we had 4 berths, which can be curtained off
to create a nice private area. The gentle rocking of the train helped me
to the best sleep I had had in weeks.

We stayed at the 3 star "Days Inn Shan" in "Koyambeedu". The 25% luxury
tax is atrocious, but the hotel staff gave us a discount. We ended up
paying Rs. 1600 total for an "executive room". We took 2 rooms. Decent.
Overall, my rating is "very good value for money", clean, very
comfortable, good service. Of course you can pay through your nose to
stay near the consulate, at a 4 or 5 star hotel.

By the way: autorickshaws in Chennai practice daylight robbery. The
moment they see you depart from a "fancy" hotel, their fare-meters will
fail. Then they quote atrociously high prices. And our lack of fluency
in Tamil seemed to be like a large "Sucker" signboard stuck on our chests.


Immigration style pictures

These pictures were probably the toughest step in my whole CP process.

My recommendation is to bite the bullet, and go to Camera Citi, near the
consulate. Some other posters say that these people understand how the
IV pictures must be taken. The location is mentioned in another post in
this forum. If you go to a studio other than Camera Citi, show them the
picture format, the one that shows the photogenic hispanic looking girl
in 3/4 frontal face pose. Make sure that the photographer understands
the pose, and that the picture must end up at 1.5" x 1.5" (40 mm x 38
mm). Get at least 4, preferably 8 copies.

We used a standard ball-point pen to write our name and case number on
the back of 3 of the pics. We signed on the front of 2 of these, making
sure that the signature does not go across the face. We stored the
remaining pictures as backup.



Day 1: Lister Labs

You will need 1 passport-style full-frontal picture here. You will also
need to take the Packet 4 with the medical form.

We hired a "non-ac" taxi, an Ambassador, for "full day/10 hours/100 km"
for Rs. 700. Went to Lister labs at around 9:30 a.m. Walked into the
reception area, and showed our appointment letter and passports. They
gave us 2 sets of forms to fill. Then they gave us a glue stick to fix
our passport-style picture on the form supplied in Packet 4. We paid the
Rs. 300 each for the lab work. Then we stepped out of the reception and
joined the group of about 8-10 people who were seated in the corridor.

My name was called, and the med-tech drew blood for the HIV test. Same
for my wife. I returned to the corridor-seat. I was called in again, for
the X-ray. The X-ray tech gave us a receipt each. We were done by about
11:00 a.m.

We returned to Lister at 4:30 p.m., showed this receipt, and collected
our medical reports. This is a sealed package that contains the X-ray.



The rest in the Part 2 of this post..
 
detailed CP exp @ chennai - Part 2

Part 2 of my CP saga...

Day 2: Medical checkup and immunizations

You will need 1 passport-style full-frontal picture for this step. You
will need the Lister Lab report. You will also need to take your
passports. And it won't hurt to carry along the packet 4 docs.

We had set up an appointment with Dr. Rajkumar as soon as we had our
interview date. My wife chose him, because he seemed to be very genial
and communicative. He answered some questions that my wife had, and
seemed to be very cooperative.

Around 9:00 a.m., we took an autorickshaw to Chetpet, and located his
office with the help of the auto-driver. Dr. Rajkumar's office is an
old-style independent house. We identified ourselves to the medical
assistant lady at the desk, and showed our sealed lab reports. She
looked up her appointments and found us on the list. She asked us to be
seated in the waiting area.

My wife and I were called to the front desk. The lady is very nice and
chatty. She took our height, weight, BP, pulse, and checked our vision.
She asked us for our immunization records. I had none. My wife had a lab
report from our doctor in the US, that showed the presence of MMR
antigens. (she had this done in 1999 because she needed proof of
immunization to enroll in college in the US). The lady looked at this
report, and attached it to the Lister lab report, ready to be reviewed
by Dr. Rajkumar. She cut our passport pictures to size, and pasted it on
to the medical exam form. We went back to the waiting area.

We were called in for the checkup by Dr. Rajkumar. He is very genial,
chatty and communicative. We talked about my work, the goriness of the
details that he has to fill out in his reports, my wife's post-partum
weight-gain, the US economy, his competence and qualifications in
comparison with our doctor in the US, Chinese economic competitiveness,
etc. In general, a very nice guy. I wouldn't mind having him for our
regular family doctor.

Dr. Rajkumar reviewed my wife's US lab reports, which verified the
presence of the MMR antibodies, and waived the MMR vaccinations for her.
I did not have any immunization records, so he ordered the MMR shot for
me. We paid Rs. 1050 for my shots, no charge for my wife. We waited in
his office while the vaccine arrived, and the nurse lady injected the
vaccine into my arm. "You may have mild fever for a day or two", she
said. Dr. Rajkumar had meanwhile completed filling out our medical
report, and handed us an envelope each. We remarked that the envelopes
were not sealed. "I don't have anything to hide from you", he replied.

We were done by 10:30 a.m.



Day 3: Buffer Day


We sent my parents off in a taxi, to tour the local attractions, while
we tried to catch up on sleep.

In the evening, I removed my documents from my Folder 1, and made a neat
pile of papers. I appended my passport, inserted the IV-style 2 signed
pics + 1 unsigned pic into the passport, and clipped them all together
using a large black clip. Repeated this for my wife's docs, passport and
pics.

So we now had 2 sets of (docs + passport + pics), one each for my wife
and me. We put the 2 sets and Folder 2 into a large Raymonds plastic
cover. (We had gone shopping earlier).

We were ready for the big day.



Day 4: Interview experience

We set off in an auto at around 7:15 a.m. Arrived at the consulate at
around 8, and got into the line. A shady type of character inquired
whether we had our DD's, our appointment letter etc. He seemed to be
peddling his services in case we had any last-moment problems. We
avoided him and got into the line waiting to enter the consulate. There
were about 20 people. As the line moved forward, we saw many people
approaching the guard directly, and were waved in, pre-empting the
queue. Later we realized that immigrant-visa applicants don't have to
wait in the same line as non-immigrant visa applicants.

We showed our passports and appointment letters, and entered the
consulate. Our Raymonds plastic cover was briefly examined, and we
walked through the metal-detector.

"Any cellphones, keys, coins?".
"No".

Lots of construction going on, guards at each corner directed us to the
consulate office, probably making sure that we did not stray. I observed
that there was no asbestos-roofed waiting area. Entered the building,
walked through another metal detector. We walked into an air-conditioned
hall with about a 100 seats, facing 8 glass-fronted counters. We later
observed that the seats in one half of the hall were generally occupied
by immigrant visa applicants, and the remaining were for non-immigrant
visas.

The guard tells us that only the primary applicant must approach the
counter when instructed, and begins calling people from the seats. When
my turn came, I approached the designated counter, and handed over our
documents. The officer scans through them quickly, and returns originals
that have copies, returns our wedding photos and tax returns. He gives
us a label to write the address where we want our documents delivered.
Then, "go to counter 1 and pay the fee". I go over to counter 1, pay the
fee, collect the receipt and return to my seat.

We pass the time observing people, and speculating about their
situations. "Look, there's a pretty girl", says my wife. "She's not
pretty, she's sexy" I counter. Then I point out a coy couple, and say
that they're probably newly married. She says no, they're not. I spot an
older character in classic white cotton Nehru T-shirt with a towel
around his neck. "Wow, I'd really like to know what he's going to do in
the US", I offer. "I'd give a lot to eavesdrop on his interview". "I bet
you would", my wife says.

A caucasian appears in front of the crowd. "I'm John Doe, I will be your
Immigration Officer today. Some of you will get your visa today, some
will not... these will be asked to produce further documentation, bla...
bla... bla. Now I'd like to see how many people can speak English here.
All who can speak English, raise your hands". Most of the hands go up.
Doe walks down the aisle, pointing at people, saying "English?...
English?..." at each one. They answer "yes". He asks us all to stand,
and administers the oath. "Hold up your right hand and repeat after
me... I swear that all the information stated in my immigrant visa
application is the truth... etc... so help me God". Then he disappears
into the building.

Now 2 Indian officers behind the counters start calling us by name. I am
the third or the fourth or fifth one called. We walk up, and stand
expectantly in front of the glass partition. It's somewhat hard to hear,
with the crowd noise behind us. He makes no attempt to speak up. "....
Programmer Analyst on EB-1 !!?.... are you a manager?"

"No, I'm a software developer, I write software" I reply. I had been
fearing some questions of this sort. This was taking a direction I did
not like. I now have an MS, but the degree had not yet been awarded when
the I-140 petition was filed.

He pulls out a large bundle of papers and flips the sheets through his
thumb. I recognize my papers and reports that were filed with my I-140
petition. ".... file is very large.... have to hand-carry it." Maybe
he's joking about having trouble moving the file through his office,
because of the size of the file? I'm in no mood for jokes.

"Yes, it contains all my papers and reports", I said.

An Indian lady appears next to the officer behind the counter, and they
seem to discuss my case. I'm thinking, dear God, they want to adjudicate
my case again. Do I have to go through this again? "Show me your I-140
approval", he barks.

"I don't have it", I said. "My lawyer sent me a package of documents,
and said that these are the documents that I will need".

The rest in Part 3. OK, OK, the next will be the last part...
 
detailed exp @ chennai - Part 3

Part 3 (Final) of my CP saga...

... and said that these are the documents that I will need".

The officer grimaces, he and the lady appear to discuss the lack of my
lawyer's competence. Classic bureaucracy. Later on, as I reflected on
the whole issue, they should have received notification of the I-140
approval from the NVC, right? If they needed to see it, why don't they
list the I-140 approval copy as one of the required documents in the
OF-171 list?

"Show me your latest pay slip". I extract the document and slide it across.

"Sign this". He slides the DS-230 Part 2 to me. I sign. Ditto for my wife.

Abruptly, he says, "give me the visa fee payment receipt, the courier
DD, and the address label." I hand these under the glass. "Ok, thank
you, we're done."

What!? done? I was not being given a chance to produce the I-140
approval? I had already been thinking of contacting my lawyer, and
having him FAX the approval to the consulate. I would have to extend my
stay or return to Chennai, I was thinking. "We're done!?" I stammer. "Is
it approved?"

He didn't hear me clearly. He had left his chair, and was stepping away.
He saw that I had said something, and said, "You can go home now". He
left his desk, and disappeared into his bureaucrat's cube-farm.

My wife and I are shell-shocked. We step away from the counter and look
around. "OK, I guess we're done, let's go", I said. Dumbly, my wife and
I left.

The interview put a damper on our whole trip. I withdrew my emotions,
locked them up in my shell, and prepared to review our plan of action. I
would call my lawyer later that night, appraise him of the situation,
and ask him to FAX the I-140 approval copy to the consulate. Then we
would return to Bangalore on the night train. Thankfully, we had mundane
logistical issues to keep us occupied, and our minds did not dwell. We
had to check out of the hotel. We were to spend the the intervening time
at a relative's non-airconditioned house, and wait for our train. And
taking care of our baby gave us plenty to keep us occupied. Like cats
after a failed mousehunt, planning thier next mousehunts, we returned
home to Bangalore.


The day after

Back in Bangalore. Ahhh! The cool, dry air. Like being in an
airconditioned room. Know the city, know the language, autos with meters
that work.

We reasoned to ourselves that the consulate would have asked us to
produce any document that they felt was lacking. So we resigned
ourselves to hearing from the consulate. They did have our passports,
they did ask for the fee receipt, and the address label, all these
things seemed to point towards things being ok. They did have to return
our passports, in any case. So we would know one way or another, when we
got our passports back from the courier. Then we would call our attorney
as needed.

Back home, wash, unpack our luggage, store consumables, discard junk,
breakfast, bed. If only life were this simple. Simple pleasures.

Blue Dart courier delivery at 11:00 a.m. We take delivery of a slim
brown box type package, from the Chennai consulate. We cut it open,
inside are 2 brown packages sealed inside a flimsy plastic cover. All
right! It looks like our green cards are approved. One package each for
my wife and me. My package is rather slim, and my wife's is fatter.
Stapled to the outside of each package, is a multicolored document
"Optional Form 155B", with our IV picture stuck on it. The packages are
marked, "To be opened only by the Immigration or Public Health Service
Officer. This is your visa. It must be surrendered at a port of entry
into the United States. Do not pack it. It must be hand carried."

Now I begin to understand what the consulate officer was saying. I
speculate that they had detached my somewhat voluminous papers and
reports from the I-140 petition, and included only the papers needed for
submission to the INS officer at the point of entry. So that's what he
had said, "This is a large package, you will have to hand carry it".



Contradictions and confusing stuff:

OF-230 / DS-230: Consulate sent us OF-230, which are clearly marked
"expires on 09/30/1995". My lawyer sends us DS-230.

Application fee / Issuance fee: A sheet in Packet 4 states in bold: "Fee
payable in equivalent local currency by way of 2 separate demand
drafts... One draft for application fee, one draft for issuance fee...".
However, the Chennai website states "One demand draft for the
application fees will be required", and does not mention any issuance
fee. I called the consulate before I purchased the DD's, and they
verified that only a single DD was required. I guess the application fee
and issuance fee have now been combined into a single non-refundable fee.

The requirement for police clearance certificate is not stated
precisely, and leaves a lot of ambiguity for people working in the US.

PCC is present in one list, not mentioned in another list. Both these
lists are contained in Packet 4.

Documentation requirements for employment based and family based
petitions are stated together, causing ambiguity, and lead us through a
circus-act to assemble the documents that we remotely perceive may be
required. In my opinion, bank statements and tax returns are needed only
from the sponsor of a family based immigrant, to provide evidence of the
sponsor's ability to support the immigrant. Employment letters are
needed only for employment-based applicants. I have similar suspicions
about the I-134 for persons following to join the primary applicant of
an employment-based petition. But, the guiding principle in this
situation is "BETTER BE SAFE THAN SORRY", so we are forced to do our
hoops in pursuit of the far more important goal of getting through the
green card procedures.

But, the inner terrier in me wants to clarify and make this process more
efficient, both for us petitioners and the INS (may they soon rest in
peace). It doesn't take a major reshuffle of the US federal government
to get these procedures down straight. Making a bureaucrat spend a few
hours clarifying the written documentation requirements will save
thousands of us petitioners' technical man-hours.

OK, that's all I have to say at this point. Later folks ...

vtcat
 
Congrats!. Thanks for your detailed
experience. My case is at consulate now.
I am expecting september interview.
 
Nice post

Congrats and good luck to the post GC life. That's a good post.
 
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