Death of a giant

i totally agree with Arizone Poet

SHAMSON shouldn't be expresing his feelings towards the Pope here..This is a forum about immigratio.n I personally don't know a lot about the Pope, but definetely did not simpythize with him. he may have done something for refugees, but he hated gay people and i am one. I got my asylum through my sexual orientation, so that means I am an asylee NOT LOVED BY THE POPE.
I really think we should keep religious issues away from this topic.
 
Just my 2 cents

I have no intention to get involved in the discussion, just to add a piece of information for you to think.

I've got my asylum approved because of catholic majority in my country. A "man of peace" said nothing against the crimes they comitted.

Alex

P.S. Don't get me wrong and think that I now hate all catholics because of it.
 
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Alex_e38 said:
I have no intention to get involved in the discussion, just to add a piece of information for you to think.

I've got my asylum approved because of catholic majority in my country. A "man of peace" said nothing against the crimes they comitted.

Alex

P.S. Don't get me wrong and think that I now hate all catholics because of it.
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Me too. My asylum application was also based on the behavior of certain Catholic "elites" in my country. The passing of John Paul II was a sad event, no doubt about it. But he was only the titular head of the Catholic Church and he never held real power. The media coverage of the past two days has been an overkill, in my opinion. The Pope was a symbol of opposition to Communism, but just a symbol. Without the courage of the people of East Europe and even more importantly, the firm policy of President Reagan and PM Thatcher that symbol would have been meaningless. And history will fault this pope for his failure to adapt to modernity: questions concerning women as priest, celibacy and so on.
 
???? Seriously I still don't understand what Hampton and Alex are sayign in this forum.
So you are saying guys that you were persecuted because of catholism in your countries??..I don't believe it, I know countries in europe and in latin America don't do that...I know countries in Asia neither..so which country are you talking about ??? somewhere in Africa?? That sounds really unbeliveable and imposible.

And if the Catholism doesn't allow marriage of gay people, or women to become priest is become they are trying to keep the old valeus and keep the church as conservative as possible. Why don't you tell hinduist to start eating meat if you feel there should be changes in religions then?.....Every religion is scared of changes I guess. Changes, will bring more people to split.
 
Who cares if you believe it or not

Arizona Poet,
who gives a damn if you believe it or not. I don't believe that your asylum claims are true either because they are so "unbeliveable and impossible' whatever they are. I don't even need to hear them, I just know (just like you).

I didn't post my message to make you believe something. Obviously even if the angel came down from haven in front of you , you would still not believe because it is "unbeliveable and impossible".
I didn't attack catholics or anyone and you don't have to be defensive and call me a liar, I just expressed my experience, and if it is so unbeliveable and impossible how was I then so successful in convincing USCIS officers in granting my asylum. And I'm not from Africa (do you imply that Africans are savages and that is why it can happen only in Africa?), I'm from a troubled part of Europe.

By the way, I wasn't persecuted in my country because of catholicism but by catholics and because (in my country) of their intolerance to other religions. Again, I have to add a disclaimer, I'm not talking about all catholics, many are decent and honorable people and I have many catholic friends.

Peace to all people of good will.

Alex
 
Well thats how it is..People think that their religion can never cause harm. Every religion has caused harm...EVERY SINGLE ONE to a different religion.

So nothing is "impossible or hard to believe"...
 
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Well thats how it is..People think that their religion can never cause harm. Every religion has caused harm...EVERY SINGLE ONE to a different religion.

So nothing is "impossible or hard to believe"...
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Throughout human history religion has been more a bane than a blessing. Much blood has been shed because of religion. For this reason the secularization of Europe is something to be commended.
 
hampton8844 said:
Throughout human history religion has been more a bane than a blessing. Much blood has been shed because of religion. For this reason the secularization of Europe is something to be commended.
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The idea of having a religion is counter to that of having a dialogue. Having a belief in one absolute truth, as religions dictates, means that other views are unacceptable and intolerable. No religion is immune from this criticism. I was not defending the pope’s religious position; rather, I was defending his humanitarian orientation to life and his character. When people mature they are able to have a "whole" perspective on everyone and everything they encounter. They see the bad, but they also see the good in every figure they deal with. Pope John Paul II certainly had his oppressive views about gays and women, but overall he was a man of peace. I also want to appreciate some member’s rejection of discussing this issue, but the amount of responses indicates that other members are interested in it. This is an asylum forum, but it can also be informative on issues that are important to asylees- in this case we are talking about a figure who fought for our rights.
 
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