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Comprehensive Immigration Reform-destiny of diversity lottery

The Senate has rescheduled the vote on immigration reform until next week. The reports say that Republican and Democrats are close to reaching an agreement and introducing a new bill, which would be voted on next week. They say chances the bill will pass are 80 to 20. Unfortunately, we still do not know details about this bill, but chances are extremely high that DV lottery would be cancelled. At least this is what the White House was trying to include in the new immigration reform bill. Link to White House proposal is in the post above.

Report indicates that the Senate has decided to delay the CIR debate at the request of Senator Kennedy and the Republican negotiators. Reportedly, the chance of reaching a compromise bill is 80:20 by Republicans accepting the legalization of illegal aliens. The 20% includes the overhaul of the legal immigration system adopting the point system.

If a new bill is not introduced, the senate will vote on S.1348. In this bill, the DV visas are decreased to only 18,000 per year. The full text of this bill can be found on this link.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1348:

Please use your energy and pray the senate does not cancel or decrease the DV lottery. It is pointless to discuss the police certificates and affidavits of support if the DV is cancelled. I am afraid that no one is watching closely what is developing in the US currently.
 
First of all, This Thread is for DV visas and not for comprehensive immigration reform. Second of all, as far as comprehensive immigration reform, there are a lot greater issues on table than a Diversity Visa. They are going to do something about H1B visa cap and EB backlog reduction which will help a lot of employers and employees in near future. I don’t think it is the best idea to plan a future on winning a DV or any other sort of lottery.
 
First, If the senate will cancel DV program or decrease the number DV visas, I dont think it will effect DV 2008 process because it is already started and almost all winners received the notification letters.

Second, sooner or later US will accept immigration reform that will cancel entire DV program or just to decrease the number of DV visas. I suppose that they will prefer to decrease the number of visas instead of cancellation of entire DV program.
 
dragoman said:
...sooner or later US will accept immigration reform that will cancel entire DV program or just to decrease the number of DV visas. I suppose that they will prefer to decrease the number of visas instead of cancellation of entire DV program.
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I agree, DV is the only thing that glorifies the Open door policy and melting pot philosophy. They may reduce it by allocating some number towards something else. Just like what they did back in 1996 (I am not sure if that is a right date) by taking 5000 out of total of 55,000 for NACARA program. Either way, DV is not something I would want to base my life on. We can daydream about it when the going gets tough. But at the end it is the best to have a good solution like EB category. It is long and painful but it is a way with possibilities. Don’t you agree?
 
plus if i had to choose between DV and a big lottery jackpot, i would take the money and then decide where i want to live in this beautiful world LOL [:D]
 
This post about cancelling the DV lottery is intended for DV 2008 winners. I am a winner also. So, I am not dreaming about being selected for the DV2008.I wanted all winners to be aware that there is a chance that the DV visas will be cancelled for the 2008. I wanted them to be aware of the situation and maybe plan their life differently in the next months. DV lottery is included in the Comprehensive Immigration reform. Making a statement that DV lottery has nothing to do with the reform is funny to me.

Judging from your answers, I can tell that you do not read enough on the DV lottery and the current immigration reform. So, please do not make assumptions about when the law would be applicable. Just read the bill, if you can. An insert in shown below.

(d) Applicability- The amendment made by subsection (c)(2) shall apply to any visa application--
(1) pending on the date of the enactment of this Act; or
(2) filed on or after such date of enactment.
(e) Worldwide Level of Immigrants With Advanced Degrees- Section 201 (8 U.S.C. 1151) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)(3), by inserting `and immigrants with advanced degrees' after `diversity immigrants'; and
(2) by amending subsection (e) to read as follows:
`(e) Worldwide Level of Diversity Immigrants and Immigrants With Advanced Degrees-
`(1) DIVERSITY IMMIGRANTS- The worldwide level of diversity immigrants described in section 203(c)(1) is equal to 18,333 for each fiscal year.
I am also and EB3 holder and have been waiting for years. The process is long and painful. You can be fired any day from your job and you have the leave the US within days.

As said, let us see what develops in the Senate in the next few weeks. Good luck to all.
 
mia22 said:
(d) Applicability- The amendment made by subsection (c)(2) shall apply to any visa application--
(1) pending on the date of the enactment of this Act; or
(2) filed on or after such date of enactment.
(e) Worldwide Level of Immigrants With Advanced Degrees- Section 201 (8 U.S.C. 1151) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)(3), by inserting `and immigrants with advanced degrees' after `diversity immigrants'; and
(2) by amending subsection (e) to read as follows:
`(e) Worldwide Level of Diversity Immigrants and Immigrants With Advanced Degrees-
`(1) DIVERSITY IMMIGRANTS- The worldwide level of diversity immigrants described in section 203(c)(1) is equal to 18,333 for each fiscal year.
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If anyone is interested in reading this, the quote is from SEC. 508. VISAS FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH ADVANCED DEGREES in S.1348.
Since it's in sebsection (e), effective date seems different from what you said earlier. I'm not professional, so I might be wrong...

(g) Effective Date- The amendments made by subsections (e) and (f) shall take effect on October 1, 2007.
 
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yes, you are correct. law is applicable when the new immigration fiscal year starts in October, 2007. So, what ever decision is made, it will be implemented in October. So, only 18,000 DV visas for 2008 or no visas at all.
 
If they'll make desicion about cancellation it will be implemented in October, but before October many 2. packages will be sent to the winners and the interviews will be scheduled. So in this context I think it is impossible to repeal entire DV 2008 program..

mia22 said:
yes, you are correct. law is applicable when the new immigration fiscal year starts in October, 2007. So, what ever decision is made, it will be implemented in October. So, only 18,000 DV visas for 2008 or no visas at all.
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You are wrong. The DV 2008 visas start in October 2008. All letters are sent in advance to save time. The real DV starts in Oct 2008. So, if the law is enacted this summer and takes affect Oct 2008, all interviews are cancelled. If the law is now enacted this May, no interviews will be scheduled since no visas will be available.

If S.1348 in enacted, then only 18, 000 visas will be available. Only really lucky ones with very low numbers will have a chance for an interview.
 
dragoman said:
If they'll make desicion about cancellation it will be implemented in October, but before October many 2. packages will be sent to the winners and the interviews will be scheduled. So in this context I think it is impossible to repeal entire DV 2008 program..
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I really hope so... because one of my close friend won DV2008. But, cancellation is also possible considering the fact that they almost canceled all procedures for family based I-130 at US consulate in foreign countries when Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act went into effect in January. It is resumed later, though...
 
So is it possible then when the winner will come to interview in October they will say 'sorry DV program already cancelled' ?

mia22 said:
You are wrong. The DV 2008 visas start in October 2008. All letters are sent in advance to save time. The real DV starts in Oct 2008. So, if the law is enacted this summer and takes affect Oct 2008, all interviews are cancelled. If the law is now enacted this May, no interviews will be scheduled since no visas will be available.

If S.1348 in enacted, then only 18, 000 visas will be available. Only really lucky ones with very low numbers will have a chance for an interview.
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Yes. If the bill to eliminated the DV is enacted and signed into law before Oct 2008, all interviews will cancelled. No need to go to the embassy when they say that DV visas are no longer available. If law is finished in May, then no interviews will be scheduled at all. That is the reality. Unfortunately. So, 2008 winners are very lucky and unlucky and the same time.

If we are lucky and the new law allows 18,000 visas per year, then a very small number of winners will have a scheduled interview.

News on immigration reform is everywhere. I personally do not like many changes. They are legalizing 12 million illegals and restricting family immigration. The new bill is going for point system immigration like the one Canada has.

They rescheduled the vote to Monday.
 
This would be very strange thing to do.
I think if they're gonna cancel it, i would assume they are going to cancel the 2009 Lottery, not the 2008.
That would seem more logical, since they cancel the DV Lottery, but they cannot cancel something that's already been finished (ie the 2008 Lottery).
Anyhow, it always better not to rely on the Lottery, since you never know what's going to happen, and in the end, we're just speculating here...i guess we're gonna find out Monday, or not? :)
 
mia22 said:
You are wrong. The DV 2008 visas start in October 2008. All letters are sent in advance to save time. The real DV starts in Oct 2008. So, if the law is enacted this summer and takes affect Oct 2008, all interviews are cancelled. If the law is now enacted this May, no interviews will be scheduled since no visas will be available.

If S.1348 in enacted, then only 18, 000 visas will be available. Only really lucky ones with very low numbers will have a chance for an interview.
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Dear Mia22, I think your statements are contradicting each other. As far as I know the fiscal year for DV-2008 is from october 2007 to September 2008. Therefore, Even if the reform is enacted and takes affect in october 2008, that means it will affect the DV-2009, not the DV-2008...
 
usa_maybe said:
This would be very strange thing to do.
I think if they're gonna cancel it, i would assume they are going to cancel the 2009 Lottery, not the 2008.
That would seem more logical, since they cancel the DV Lottery, but they cannot cancel something that's already been finished (ie the 2008 Lottery).
Anyhow, it always better not to rely on the Lottery, since you never know what's going to happen, and in the end, we're just speculating here...i guess we're gonna find out Monday, or not? :)
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That's what all DV-2008 winners are hoping including me, but anything is possible as I gave the example of family-based I-130 in January,
they suddenly canceled all I-130 process including all scheduled interview...:mad:
 
I have one question, do S.1348 be the new introduced bill if the current
discussion in the Senate failed on or before 21st May 2007?

In my knowledge, this bill based on last year and introduced recently,
it is not the bill discussing now, on example is President George Bill
support to eliminate DV
 
US nation is the nation of immigrants. Unique human resource of the US are immigrants that provide dynamism to the society. On the other hand, to prevent an illegal immigration the doors must be openned. OK DV lottery is based on random selection, but nobody here can say that the consular officers randomly select the eligiable ones among the winners .

here is the white house news release on the reform:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/
 
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