Company's ability to pay !! what to send "urgent"

clueless_2

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Hi,

We received ref to show company's ability to pay.
My company is small (3 people) with profits ~ 10K.
My LC salary is 70K, my current salary 50K.
Company has maintained bank balance of about 200-300k.

What is the outlook for success?
What document should we send to support this case?
Bank assets are the only thing which can put some support. Do I need to send all the monthly bank statements for last three year ( lc applied in April 2001) or year end are good enough (including April 2001).

Any help/suggestion highly appreciated.

I am really
Clueless :confused:
ND july2003/sub EB3
 
Need to be very careful

I went through the same stuff...my I140 got approved today.

on the day labor was filed to the present you need to show the bank balance (or assets) in excess of your salary. Your W2 for those years (if working for GC sponsoring company), and the pay stubs of this year.

company tax returns, and their tax transmittals. A good attorney is a must because the covering letter which makes or breaks the case.

all the best.
 
thanks rajudm

Should I send all the monthly bank statements or year-end will work. (Or may be quarterly).
I joined company in 12/03; w2 does not have much to show.

What should I check on attorney's letter to see it is good or not.
Your experience can definitely help me.

Thanks
 
Covering Letter

For my I-140 filing Cover letter the lawyer misspelled the company name, when I asked them they said that it should not be a problem they will look only at your experience certificates and what is mentioned on the LC.

What do you think? I would appreiciate your thoughts.

Thanks.
 
I-140 denied after RFE and Appeal !!!

My company has about 10-15 employees. But company showed liabilities initially. USCIS sent RFE on company financials/Tax returns and alien's W2. My W2 is way less than LC's salary of 90k as Y2002 was n't good for consulting. USCIS rejected out flat that 'Employer has inadequate financials to pay specified salary' in June'2003

My lawer then woke up and sent appeal to AAO. After 8 months in AAO, again it got back rejected. I realized later that success rate at AAO is just 10%.

Well, my lawyer recently re-filed with revenues of over 1 million and profit of ~20K. Right now, I'm making sure that my each pay stub reflects my LC salary since USCIS gonna definitely send RFE for my W2 and company revenues for the proof to go forward.

All in all, it's pain in the neck to go thru small companies.
 
it is not pain...

It is the inadequacy of attorneys which causes headache. They are only interested in their welfare and forget about the people who feed them. My case approved because I changed to an experienced, compassionate attorney. Same of papers caused two denials from a novice attorney.
 
Inadeqaute Financials RFE

rajudm,
What's your RFE? is it about financials?
How's your attorney and you replied USCIS?
Last time, company revenues were in bad shape and attorney said all we can do was write a 'convincing letter' to AAO, but that letter never convinced AAO. Once I told, I gonna transfer my case to different attorney, he said I would n't charge re-filing the I-140 case with latest pay-stubs and comapny tax records.
Is there any better I can do not get I-140 rejected back? Thinking of sending my pay-stubs to USCIS for every 2-3 months. Does it work?
 
change your attorney

probably he doesn't know how to address 'company's ability to pay'.

Net current asset is the key. the company has to provide documents to proove that they have/had net current assets exceeding the required proferred wages from the day labor was filed to current (i140 adjudication date).

Current assets (property, stocks, bonds, line of credit, cash in company account etc...) and if you were worked for the employer before filing labor then provide the W2 of previous years, and still working for them the current w2s and paystubs.
 
Rajudm,

There was a recent RFE on my case as well which was replied on 7/15/04. My LC was filed in 2001. That year the company made a 60k loss on 3 million revenues. But the following years 2002 & 2003 they have made over 100k profit each year. All the 3 years my salary was equal to or more than the LC salary.

What do you think are my chances? How long does it take for the USCIS to make a decision once the reply is received.

Thanks!!
 
Mirium99

USCIS goes back to the labor PD date. ON that day did the company have money all put together more than the required salary. RFE response should have shown the company asset was more than the proferred wages. that means eventhough there was a loss....other assets were there to cover it. Like line of credit would come in handy in that situation. Your attorney should have addressed those concerns. If so, approval will happen in about 3 weeks to 8 weeks of RFE response received.
 
Your attorney will need to go over all the material and explain the situation to USCIS and argue why they have the ability to pay. Corporations take tax deductions for depreciation and expenses so just because a corporation shows a negative net income does not necessarily mean the corporation lacks ability to pay. However, USCIS is unlikely to understand this unless it is clearly explained to them and this explanation is entirely fact specific. As pointed out above, the service looks at the entire period since the LC was filed and ability to pay the offered wage must be demonstrated for the entire period. Current ability to pay is not sufficient if in previous years the ability was lacking.
 
unitednations said:
Jim, I can't find one of your other posts regarding depreciation. I thought somewhere you may have said that depreciation can be added back to taxable income for ability to pay issus.

I'm not sure if I mis-interpreted.

Could you clarify. Reason I ask is that I examined some administrative decisions and it seems that company cannot make adjustments for "depreciation" unless they amend the tax return and not deduct "depreciation".

Any thoughts.

If you are talking about the case of Ranchito Coletero, 2002-INA-105 (BALCA, January 10, 2003), There are two issues. First, it is a BALCA case and is not binding on the USCIS but ore importantly, the case was to some extent reversed in an en banc appeal. In the first case, the Certifying Officer requested evidence of full time employment. The employer, a sole proprietor, had an annual loss in business income which was caused by depreciation of capital investments. The Employer also had a personal annual income (adjusted gross income) of $85,000.00. The Board initially held that the farm is a separate entity from the Employer and that only the income shown on Schedule C could be used to document the ability to pay the wages.

This decision was appealed to BALCA en banc and a decision was issued on 1/8/04. In reviewing the prior decision, Board held en banc that as in O'Conner v. Attorney General of the United States, 1987 WL 18243 (D. Mass. Sept. 29, 1987) (unpublished) the entire financial circumstances of a sole proprietorship employer should be considered when considering the ability to pay the wages relating to permanent alien labor certification. The Board also relied on a previous BALCA decision, Ohsawa America, 1988-INA-240 (Aug. 30, 1988), in which, although the corporate employer, as of the date of application for labor certification, had been showing prior losses and a negative working capital, the panel found sufficiency of funds where the company's accountant showed that the employer had increased sales and reduced operating losses, and that the major shareholder, who had indicated a willingness to continue to fund the company, had a person net worth of over $4,000,000.

The INS normally has the responsibility to examine this issue, and it is normaly not reviewed till the I-140 stage, but courts have uphold the DOL's right to inquire into this area based on the Employer's certification that he has the wages available to pay the alien. If you are aware of other cases that are applicable to this please let me know since I have not recently done a thorough review of this issue. Based on the above, I would still argue that depreciation should be added back in to prove ability to pay. If USCIS wants to fight about it, so be it.
 
unitednations said:
Jim, I'm attaching one of the AAO decisions which discusses reliance upon taxable income. It sights some cases. As you could imagine, the depreciation issue is very important to many members on these boards.

http://uscis.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admindec3/b6/2003/jun1803_10b6203.pdf


Ok. Now I've done a bit of research on the matter and it appear to me that the case that you cite is an abberation. Prior to this case, there were several other cases in 2002, including:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admindec3/b6/2002/JAN1102_02B6203.pdf

http://uscis.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admindec3/b6/2002/JAN1102_04B6203.pdf

http://uscis.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admindec3/b6/2002/JAN1102_10B6203.pdf

I think that the case that you refer to shows a fundamental misunderstanding (on the part of the AAO, clearly you understand the situation well) regarding the difference between a depreciation "expense" and other expenses. Corporations do not write a check for a depreciation expense and therefore that amount is really available to pay the offered wage.

It is a cutting edge issue though but I would argue the issue if necessary and I think there is a fair chance of success.
 
ILW.com article and a question

You may already be aware of this, but does not hurt to post it here:

This article:

http://www.ilw.com/lawyers/articles/2004,0624-Guevara.shtm

mentions:

"The Yates memo should have implemented principles established in the minutes of the Eastern Service Center (ESC)/AILA Liaison Teleconference of November 16, 1994, where the then Director of the Vermont Service Center offered these helpful observations:"

(6) Depreciation can generally be considered with taxable income in evaluating the ability to pay the additional employee.

My question: Have you guys come across cases that have been denied for the net income being short by 2-3K? If so, please send me the links. Such is my case. On a percentage basis, that's about 3% of the LC salary. The depreciation claimed by my company for the year is 5K.
 
magajmari said:
You may already be aware of this, but does not hurt to post it here:

This article:

http://www.ilw.com/lawyers/articles/2004,0624-Guevara.shtm

mentions:

"The Yates memo should have implemented principles established in the minutes of the Eastern Service Center (ESC)/AILA Liaison Teleconference of November 16, 1994, where the then Director of the Vermont Service Center offered these helpful observations:"

(6) Depreciation can generally be considered with taxable income in evaluating the ability to pay the additional employee.

My question: Have you guys come across cases that have been denied for the net income being short by 2-3K? If so, please send me the links. Such is my case. On a percentage basis, that's about 3% of the LC salary. The depreciation claimed by my company for the year is 5K.

The cases are all over the place. The more I research the issue, the less certain I am of the correct answer. I would make the best argument available and hope for the best. I sure can't guaranty success but it certainly is possible. Since the other option (start the process over) is not acceptable to most people, I'd argue it.
 
original poster--I-140 approved

I had just send bank doc. stating 10K above LC salary. plus tax statements with 60 K revenue and 7K profit. Got approved today.

140-eb3-july 2003
I-485-?? concurrent
 
clueless,
good news. It's been a while hearing approval on I-140 RFE on "Ability to Pay". I guess, your attorney's cover letter is convincing !!
Couple of questions, though..
is that bank stmt of company financials with 10k+LC salary?
Does every company show bank balnce > LC salary even company is paying LC salary?


Company tax returns showing 60k in revenues + 7 K profit? is it for Y2003? Do we need to show since LC priority date?

Your input help lot of others who are struggling with 'Ability to Pay'.
 
I made a letter from a CPA for my company. My attorney's just copied it and changed a little bit. I attached a company reply+attorney reply+ cpa letter (attesting company finance) + bank statements. bank statements were 10+lc salary in the month when LC was filed.
You have to show all the statements from date of filing, TAX, bank, W2 if any.
 
Hi clueless_2,
If you don't mind, would please share company/attorney/cpa letter after taking out personal/company specific stuff? or email me lohith@hotmail.com
It would help me out a lot since my last RFE & appeal was denied. I re-filed 140 on 06/04/2004 and definitely expecting RFE on 'Ability to Pay'

Thanks in advance.
 
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