commuter issue for canada citizenship application

johnny7890

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Hello,

my question is regarding canadian citizenship application. I went to a US school in 2002 while living in border city on Canada side. I was commuting on weekdays between CA and US. Now the immigration officer told me in the citizenship interview that I can not count my commuting days into the 3 years period before applying citizenship.

Is this true?

Pls share your information and resources on this. If anyone can point out some official/formal document/web link and etc, it would be of great help.

Thanks in advance, truly appreciated.
 
AFAIK - All nights that you sleep in Canada are counted towards citizenship ..

What did he say, did he say you are not eligible etc
 
any official / formal resources regarding this?

Thanks, bhand11683 for the reply.

I just called CIC this morning - a lady answered the same way as you did. However, she could not find any official / formal resource on this.

bhand11683, do you know where I can find some resources (official / formal) stating this? or you just know it by other previous commuter experiences?

I tried to convince the immigration officer that commuting nights should be counted, but he insisted after excluding the commuting days I will have less than 1095 days for citizenship application and kept asking me to provide a detailed list with each every single day I commuted to US, which is hard for me to remember the accurate detail of every single day of year 2002.

I feel the best way is I can find an official resource to show the immigration officer, otherwise it would be difficult to appeal.

Or is this just a grey area, not being documented at all and it solely depends on how the officer handles the case ??
 
Consolidated Statutes and Regulations
Main page on: Citizenship Act
Disclaimer: These documents are not the official versions (more).
Source: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-29/34586.html
Updated to August 31, 2004


Citizenship Act


CHAPTER C-29

An Act respecting citizenship

SHORT TITLE

Short title
1. This Act may be cited as the Citizenship Act.

1974-75-76, c. 108, s. 1.

INTERPRETATION

Definitions
2. (1) In this Act,

"certificate of citizenship" «certificat de citoyenneté»
"certificate of citizenship" means a certificate of citizenship issued or granted under this Act or under the former Act;

"certificate of naturalization" «certificat de naturalisation»
"certificate of naturalization" means a certificate of naturalization granted under any Act that was in force in Canada at any time before January 1, 1947;

"certificate of renunciation" «certificat de répudiation»
"certificate of renunciation" means a certificate of renunciation issued under section 9;

"child" «enfant»
"child" includes a child adopted or legitimized in accordance with the laws of the place where the adoption or legitimation took place;

"citizen" «citoyen»
"citizen" means a Canadian citizen;

"citizenship" «citoyenneté»
"citizenship" means Canadian citizenship;

"citizenship judge" «juge de la citoyenneté»
"citizenship judge" means a citizenship judge appointed under section 26;

"common-law partner" « conjoint de fait »
"common-law partner", in relation to an individual, means a person who is cohabiting with the individual in a conjugal relationship, having so cohabited for a period of at least one year;

"Court" «Cour»
"Court" means the Federal Court;

"disability" [Repealed, 1992, c. 21, s. 6]

"former Act" «ancienne loi»
"former Act" means the Canadian Citizenship Act, chapter C-19 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1970;

"Minister" «ministre»
"Minister" means such member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada as is designated by the Governor in Council as the Minister for the purposes of this Act;

"minor" «mineur»
"minor" means a person who has not attained the age of eighteen years;

"prior legislation" «législation antérieure»
"prior legislation" means any Act respecting naturalization or citizenship that was in force in Canada at any time before February 15, 1977.

Interpretation
(2) For the purposes of this Act,

(a) a person is deemed to be born in Canada if the person is born on a Canadian ship as defined in the Canada Shipping Act, on an air cushion vehicle registered in Canada under that Act or on an aircraft registered in Canada under the Aeronautics Act and regulations made thereunder;

(b) a person who is lawfully present and entitled to permanently reside in Canada is deemed to have been lawfully admitted to Canada for permanent residence; and

(c) a person against whom a removal order has been made remains under that order

(i) unless all rights of review by or appeal to the Immigration Appeal Division of the Immigration and Refugee Board, the Federal Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada have been exhausted with respect to the order and the final result of those reviews or appeals is that the order has no force or effect, or

(ii) until the order has been executed.

R.S., 1985, c. C-29, s. 2; R.S., 1985, c. 28 (4th Supp.), s. 36; 1992, c. 21, s. 6; 2000, c. 12, s. 74; 2001, c. 27, s. 227.1; 2002, c. 8, s. 183.

PART I
THE RIGHT TO CITIZENSHIP

Persons who are citizens
3. (1) Subject to this Act, a person is a citizen if

(a) the person was born in Canada after February 14, 1977;

(b) the person was born outside Canada after February 14, 1977 and at the time of his birth one of his parents, other than a parent who adopted him, was a citizen;

(c) the person has been granted or acquired citizenship pursuant to section 5 or 11 and, in the case of a person who is fourteen years of age or over on the day that he is granted citizenship, he has taken the oath of citizenship;

(d) the person was a citizen immediately before February 15, 1977; or

(e) the person was entitled, immediately before February 15, 1977, to become a citizen under paragraph 5(1)(b) of the former Act.

Not applicable to children of foreign diplomats, etc.
(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not apply to a person if, at the time of his birth, neither of his parents was a citizen or lawfully admitted to Canada for permanent residence and either of his parents was

(a) a diplomatic or consular officer or other representative or employee in Canada of a foreign government;

(b) an employee in the service of a person referred to in paragraph (a); or

(c) an officer or employee in Canada of a specialized agency of the United Nations or an officer or employee in Canada of any other international organization to whom there are granted, by or under any Act of Parliament, diplomatic privileges and immunities certified by the Minister of Foreign Affairs to be equivalent to those granted to a person or persons referred to in paragraph (a).

R.S., 1985, c. C-29, s. 3; 1995, c. 5, s. 25.

Deserted child
4. (1) For the purposes of paragraph 3(1)(a), every person who, before apparently attaining the age of seven years, was found as a deserted child in Canada shall be deemed to have been born in Canada, unless the contrary is proved within seven years from the date the person was found.

Child born after death of parent
(2) For the purposes of paragraph 3(1)(b) and subsection 3(2), where a child is born after the death of either of his parents, the child shall be deemed to have been born before the death of that parent.

Person born of Canadian parent outside Canada
(3) For the purposes of paragraph 3(1)(e), a person otherwise entitled under paragraph 5(1)(b) of the former Act to become a citizen immediately before February 15, 1977 remains so entitled notwithstanding that his birth is registered, after February 14, 1977, in accordance with the regulations made under the former Act,

(a) within two years after the occurrence of his birth; or

(b) within such extended period as the Minister may authorize after February 15, 1977 or has authorized before that date.

1974-75-76, c. 108, s. 4.

Grant of citizenship
5. (1) The Minister shall grant citizenship to any person who

(a) makes application for citizenship;

(b) is eighteen years of age or over;

(c) is a permanent resident within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, and has, within the four years immediately preceding the date of his or her application, accumulated at least three years of residence in Canada calculated in the following manner:

(i) for every day during which the person was resident in Canada before his lawful admission to Canada for permanent residence the person shall be deemed to have accumulated one-half of a day of residence, and

(ii) for every day during which the person was resident in Canada after his lawful admission to Canada for permanent residence the person shall be deemed to have accumulated one day of residence;

(d) has an adequate knowledge of one of the official languages of Canada;

(e) has an adequate knowledge of Canada and of the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship; and

(f) is not under a removal order and is not the subject of a declaration by the Governor in Council made pursuant to section 20.

Residence
(1.1) Any day during which an applicant for citizenship resided with the applicant's spouse or common-law partner who at the time was a Canadian citizen and was employed outside of Canada in or with the Canadian armed forces or the public service of Canada or of a province, otherwise than as a locally engaged person, shall be treated as equivalent to one day of residence in Canada for the purposes of paragraph (1)(c) and subsection 11(1).
 
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many thanks !! Now this is going to depend on how they will interpret "resident" - whether the officials will consider a person spending night in Canada (and only leaving the country for the day for school) is a resident for that day or not.
 
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Hey Johny

Just for info . Did you have enough proof for proving your residency in Canada all this time like DL , CDn registered car, Taxes , Provincial health , Spouse and family living in canada, Credit card bills, Apt lease or ownership for this time ..


2) also was this the citizenship judge . Who was this immigration officer..
 
that sounds strange..the nights should be counted because I have gone to school in u.s too ..didnt have the problem you are going through..when was your interview? was it on the day of citizenship test or before that?
 
thanks you guys for the replies

The interview was right after the citizenship test on the same day. Everybody was interviewed by an immigration officer briefly. I was surprised too by his conclusion since I had several school-mates commuting between the two countries and never heard anyone got refused for this reason. My guess is the officer who I was interviewed with may not be very familiar with these rules/regulations.

I have all kinds of proof of docuemnts, lease, rent receipt, DL, car registrations/insurances. Just not sure how much helpful those are going to be.

Do you guys have any suggestions, should I contact a lawyer and just try to appeal ourselves? I have called several law firms, hard to believe, seems none of them really knows about this issue.
 
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So what did he say finally

Are you okay to go ahead for oath or not. If he said , No then check your CAIPS notes and you can appeal otherwise be patient and see what happens
 
I was not passed to oath and was given a questionnaire for the records of school and employment during the 3 years prior to my application. They will study the case and have a judge make final decision.

By the way, what is CAIPS ? where do I get it? Thanks!
 
Okay

So what I would do is fill the questionaire and wait for the Citizenship judge to call you for the interview and they will ask you to prove your residency and days etc and may ask you to prove the commuting etc.

Take all records to prove this and then take it from there .

Do you have enough proof for proving your residency in Canada all this time like DL , CDn registered car, Taxes , Provincial health , Spouse and family living in canada, Credit card bills, Apt lease or ownership for this time ..

You could check caips notes on

http://www.caips.net/
 
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