Citizenship after 5 years of granted asylum?

[douls]

Hi John Smith.

Concerning your question if you can apply Citizenship now.
The answer is no if send the application before your eligible you will be denial also you will lose your money that not you mean your not eligible in 4 Years 9 months minus 1 year backdate so (3 Years and 9 months) for Asylee GC Holder .

Good luck to others.

 

[wantmygcnow]

The law is black and white. You can apply for U.S citizenship, 4 years 9 months from the date of your GC Resident since date. They dont care when you were granted asylum or any other status. You send your application, the clerk whoose job is to open up applications, reads the copy of your GC and counts the months...He/she then submits the application in a queue..otherwise it is sent back to you.

Most likely, they will send your check back with a note saying "Apply on" this date....If for someon reason, it gets to an officer for review, he/she will eat your money since you wasted his/her time.

The law and how they process is black and white..There is nothing gray in it.

We all can argue and fight and whatever,but there is no need. Its a fake sense of happiness that somoene posts on this board saying "citizenship from 5 years of asylum grant"..but after your GC, no one cares when you were granted asylum..you are an LPR now and U.S citizenship is based on LPR not Asylum grant.

 

[Cl_Asylee]

The law is black and white. You can apply for U.S citizenship, 4 years 9 months from the date of your GC Resident since date. They dont care when you were granted asylum or any other status. You send your application, the clerk whoose job is to open up applications, reads the copy of your GC and counts the months...He/she then submits the application in a queue..otherwise it is sent back to you.

Most likely, they will send your check back with a note saying "Apply on" this date....If for someon reason, it gets to an officer for review, he/she will eat your money since you wasted his/her time.

The law and how they process is black and white..There is nothing gray in it.

We all can argue and fight and whatever,but there is no need. Its a fake sense of happiness that somoene posts on this board saying "citizenship from 5 years of asylum grant"..but after your GC, no one cares when you were granted asylum..you are an LPR now and U.S citizenship is based on LPR not Asylum grant.

Did you notice the question mark in the title of the thread. I am not saying it is for sure. I just want to know opinions. I appreciate your and other member opinions. Thanks. Cl_Asylee

 

[Minsk]

What about this new law they were to pass thru Congress which would make PR eligable to apply for citizenship in 4 years? Is it still pending?

 

[Cl_Asylee]

What about this new law they were to pass thru Congress which would make PR eligable to apply for citizenship in 4 years? Is it still pending?

Yes Minsk. It is still on the air.

 

[cadel]

The law is black and white. You can apply for U.S citizenship, 4 years 9 months from the date of your GC Resident since date. They dont care when you were granted asylum or any other status. You send your application, the clerk whoose job is to open up applications, reads the copy of your GC and counts the months...He/she then submits the application in a queue..otherwise it is sent back to you.

Most likely, they will send your check back with a note saying "Apply on" this date....If for someon reason, it gets to an officer for review, he/she will eat your money since you wasted his/her time.

The law and how they process is black and white..There is nothing gray in it.

We all can argue and fight and whatever,but there is no need. Its a fake sense of happiness that somoene posts on this board saying "citizenship from 5 years of asylum grant"..but after your GC, no one cares when you were granted asylum..you are an LPR now and U.S citizenship is based on LPR not Asylum grant.

Good job.

RD Aug 22,2001
Approved Sep 15,2005
GC received Sep 20,2005

 

[faysal]

Well I don't think there is a need for arguing over this issue. All of us understand what the law says about asylee getting greencard, but I think what Asylee is asking is a hypothetical question. And I think the best way to test is hypothesis is to do experiment. Let one of us apply for citizenship and see what happens. We will definately get clear answer. Also remember that the laws of book are not always enforced for one reason or another. For example, the law says to retain greencard LPR must not be away from the country more than 180 days, and yet there was a case today I read on this forum in which an Iranian Diplomat kept his permenant resident for more than 15 years. Even though the Iran is hostile to the US, this official who is also involved in the Iranian Nuclear production he eluded the HSD. So do not rule out anything. It is posible that you your file may allude all the IO eyes and get approved....Just give a try.....It is not a crime....if you don't forge any document or tell misleading information....

 

[clotty]

Faysal, of course it is not a crime at all. But just like applying for GC(I-485) prior to the one year period ending, applying to citizenship earlier than you are eligible for , according to the laws, will be cause for denial. And true, it is not a crime and yes, one can re-apply, but it would be a waste of money because I read MANY threads in the citizenship section where people who applied early did not get a refund on their checks (and furthermore they learned about their denial AT the interview, not before). So if someone wants to experiment, of course by all means they can but as a friend or board buddy, I would suggest that they not bother in order for them not to lose any money and also because the law clearly says you should not. I would say the same thing if someone came and said :"hey, I got my asylum granted last month, but I do not wnat to wait one year and want to apply for GC today. Can I do that?"

 

[Cl_Asylee]

Well I don't think there is a need for arguing over this issue. All of us understand what the law says about asylee getting greencard, but I think what Asylee is asking is a hypothetical question. And I think the best way to test is hypothesis is to do experiment.....

Brilliant and open mind. Thanks.

 

[John Smith 1]

i really dont trust the laws on the book,

i know a friend of mine from the same country eho got green card by lottery,

while he was still residing back home, he came to america , he did the landing,

apply for green card, left back to his country, got green card, came back after 5 years, applied for citizenship, got approved, and went back again home,


this friend never lived in america, he got green card and citizenship,

please explain to me how these laws work

 

[clotty]

Your friend may not have been telling the whole story. The continuous residence part is very strict. Unless the officer was on an acid trip or that there was fraud in your friend's documentation, I do not see that happening. During the citizenship interview they go over every section you filled out; that is the major point/purpose of the interview, and there is NO WAY an officer will approve a case if on the N400 it is filled out to show that the person never lived in USA in those 5 years, so it seems your friend most probably lied on N400 , putting some dates on that section of the form as if he was here in USA more than he actually was; and it wouldn't be the first fraud case that passed through the INS gates. Some people sublet their apartments and then show the lease with their name on it as proof of residence. This area is not fraud-proof.

 

[wantmygcnow]

i really dont trust the laws on the book,

i know a friend of mine from the same country eho got green card by lottery,

while he was still residing back home, he came to america , he did the landing,

apply for green card, left back to his country, got green card, came back after 5 years, applied for citizenship, got approved, and went back again home,


this friend never lived in america, he got green card and citizenship,

please explain to me how these laws work

You are comparing apples & oranges. The law of getting USC after exactly 5 years is black and white. The example you gave has some grey in the laws. For instance, if you buy a house here and then stay outside the country and keep on coming back..you are considered a resident...if you maintain ties to this country.

Its very hard to prove that you have abandoned your permanent residency. USCIS has to have solid proof that you did.

And applying for US Citizenship, they have a a SOLID proof that says you were LPR on that date.

So how can you compare that law with the law of maintaining Permanent Residency.

If you have few money to spare to USCIS, go ahead try it. Why not do it yousrelf rather than wait for somoene to be the pig?

 

[clotty]

Yeah, what want said.

 

[faysal]

Faysal, of course it is not a crime at all. But just like applying for GC(I-485) prior to the one year period ending, applying to citizenship earlier than you are eligible for , according to the laws, will be cause for denial. And true, it is not a crime and yes, one can re-apply, but it would be a waste of money because I read MANY threads in the citizenship section where people who applied early did not get a refund on their checks (and furthermore they learned about their denial AT the interview, not before). So if someone wants to experiment, of course by all means they can but as a friend or board buddy, I would suggest that they not bother in order for them not to lose any money and also because the law clearly says you should not. I would say the same thing if someone came and said :"hey, I got my asylum granted last month, but I do not wnat to wait one year and want to apply for GC today. Can I do that?"

Clotty, You are right and I understand you point clearly; And I believe everybody on this forum understands that. I myself won't do it, but if someone wants to do it and wants to ganble on their money then I don't see why we should stop them. There are two outcomes for the person who do that unless they do other stupid things. One outcome is that the IO finds out that he is not eligible and denies the application along with the loss of the refund; the other scenerio is the IO may not see the time line and may approve the petition in which you get your citizenship. So I think we should let people experiment their imagination, and reap the fruits or pay for the cost....CHeers.....

 

[clotty]

faysal, you are talking about me or others "letting people" do this and that or how we should not "stop" them. Nobody on here can tell anyone what to do or what not to do or has any influence enough to stop anyone from doing something; we "know" each other through a internet message board. We are only giving advice here; that is the extent it can ever go. I do not know you from the next person in the street , so what I say to you or to Cl-asylee or to whoever else is NOTHING any more than an advice. Nobody has ANY power on anyone here to make them do things, so it is not a matter of "letting people" do this or that. It is not like I was holding Cl-asylee by his balls and saying "don't you apply, young man! Or I will cut these off, you hear?!!", heh, you get my drift. So of course it should go without saying that we all "let" each other do whatever we want because we do not even matter remotely in each other's lives, so your post about how I should have let Cl-asylee or whoever else apply early is a bit unnecessary in my view, simply because what you said is a given. But in case you missed what I said, I will say it again: certainly people can apply early if they want. In my opinion it will be a waste of money and time (coming across a brain-dead IO who is moron enough not to check the most important thing such as "eligibility" is quite a slim chance, so I would not count on that) and if someone asks opinions on a public board, I will advise them not to bother apply early, but OF COURSE (this is the obvious part=> ) they can do as they wish. So as you see what I did was answer his question; that is it. And I will not give an advice that I do not believe in, such as "sure, go ahead, apply early" why would I give that advice when that is not my opinion?. I gave *my* opinion, so unless you find something wrong with me giving an opinion to someone who asked a question, I don't think there is any need for you ro remind me how we do not need to stop people from doing things. I wish I had that power over your lives' to effect you or anyone to do things or not do things, hah ha, but sadly I don't. Cheers.

 

[Cl_Asylee]

Nobody has ANY power on anyone here to make them do things, so it is not a matter of "letting people" do this or that. It is not like I was holding Cl-asylee by his balls and saying "don't you apply, young man! Or I will cut these off, you hear?!!"..........

that should be painful Please do not do it.

Thanks Clotty I really appreciate your comments. Maybe I misunderstood you. PEACE

 

[clotty]

that should be painful Please do not do it.

Thanks Clotty I really appreciate your comments. Maybe I misunderstood you. PEACE

Cl-Asylee, misunderstandings happen all the time on the net, so it is OK, but for future reference when you feel cross or negatively about something I said, express yourself to me, but not by dismissing what I said as "blah blah" because then that becomes clear dismissal of my opinions , and then I say "well, if I am blah blahing, then I won't bother reply to any question you will ask in the future".....Anyway, good luck to you with your decision on the subject. Peace.

 

[Cl_Asylee]

Cl-Asylee, misunderstandings happen all the time on the net, so it is OK, but for future reference when you feel cross or negatively about something I said, express yourself to me, but not by dismissing what I said as "blah blah" because then that becomes clear dismissal of my opinions , and then I say "well, if I am blah blahing, then I won't bother reply to any question you will ask in the future".....Anyway, good luck to you with your decision on the subject. Peace.

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Just kidding,

Thanks for your reply. I never said I will apply after 5 years of asylum. I just want to know opinions. Yours was good. Thanks again.

 

[Miss.PinK]

hehehe ...

hehehe u guys .. don't bla bla her anymore. she simply doesn't like it . I understand both shoes. well let's just blame. Man from mars. and Woman from venus.

 

[clotty]

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Just kidding,

I have a feeling you are not entirely kidding. Yes, I am wordy , and maybe it is blah blah to some people, but in all that wordyness my opinions still remain worthy. Those who appreciate it, appreciate it ,and those who don't, well, I raise their blah blah with a whatever and leave it at that.